I always thought United fans did get it to be fair. The abuse that both the English United players and the club itself got from England fans in the 90s/00s had always led United fans to be more pro-Manchester than pro-England, or at least that's what I thought. Then you've got the Ronaldo and Argentina chants which were great too and were somewhat antagonistic in a funny way.
They sound Welsh with all that spitting and phlegming.
Took six posts for a sensible reply.
honestly mate, the same fanbase who when it suited them booed and harassed one of our black players for having the audacity to report one of their players for racially abusing him. Now all of a sudden they’re the moral arbiters of society. And they’re doing this for the “north of England”
A shame a significant section of their fanbase didn’t get it ten years ago when they booed a black man for standing up for himself.
I’ve lived in Manchester (well, Salford) for all but 3 years of my life and can honestly say I’ve simply never seen any flags outside of a major football tournament.
Its the same where I’m from in Oldham. There are probably a few British flags in my whole area (I walk all over with the dog). Although partly contrary to the original point, the places where you do see England flags more regularly here is in white working class areas.
"Ben Ik Van Duitsen Bloed"* - How did that survive the Second World War?
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I live in Salford and see flags on plenty of poles, even on old buildings not used by the government, and in homes and especially pubs. I even see it in Manchester.
If they knew their history, they would realise that the North is not all in lockstep with each other in regards to patriotism, the monarchy etc. They also cannot claim to be the city that speaks for us all for an area that has historical regional capitals like York, Lancaster, Newcastle, Carlisle etc. In the civil war, much of the north was royalist for example.
We had a meeting about WWII, and Germany said to be very sorry. So water under the bridge.
You can imagine how proud we are
I think anti-royal sentiment has grown considerably since then due to recent nonce antics and the current crises on various fronts. Not that it didn’t exist before, but whataboutism isn’t really much help here. Booing the national anthem should be praised, as what arguments are there in favour of the monarchy and all it represents?
There are no arguments in favour for the monarchy as its massively corrupted just google the Vatican serpent throne room and see what the royals/whatever the hell they are attend its shocking
The Smiths were from Manchester and they rode a wave of dislike towards the Queen. This has been a thing for a long time.
It’s not whataboutism, I just find it utterly bizarre to start championing Liverpool fans as some sort of beacon of what’s right. They act in self interest and have done so in the past. Hence why they were happy to boo a black player because he had the audacity to report one of their players for being racist. The idea that Liverpool booing the anthem was this great stand for the north of England and classism is fecking hilarious. As noted previously considering at least a quarter of those at Wembley were probably southern and had just forked out £150 for a football ticket. Do me favour.
I find your faux 'outrage' disingenuous, it takes about 5 seconds to answer the OP's original question -
I would definitely boo that.
Who said I was outraged? What exactly am I meant to be outraged about?
I don’t care if Liverpool fans boo the anthem.Agree. There are some coming out with grand political narrative but in 2018 The Liverpool Echo were publishing articles like thisWho said I was outraged? What exactly am I meant to be outraged about?
“Takes 5 seconds to answer”… except in this thread you’ve seen people give a multitude of reasons for it and you’ve then had people try and take some sort of moral high ground against those who don’t buy into the idea that Liverpool booing the anthem is this rallying cry for justice and equality. Like I said numerous times this is the same fanbase who when it suited them booed a black player for reporting one of their own for racially abusing him, there’s your equality.
And I’m not sure who made Tony Evans the spokesperson for all Liverpool’s match going fanbase.
Most people are against poverty and want justice and equality. The idea that Liverpool fans booing an anthem (that’s royalty referencing lyrics were composed in the 17th century) is something to be admired and followed, because it is fighting against injustice makes me laugh.
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Is this the only national anthem that needs a change, depending on whether the monarch is a Queen or King?
It's a total dirge. Always makes me laugh when predominantly working class folk sing about some leech whose lived a life of luxury because their ancestors won a battle in a field centuries ago.
The anthem is a first person story of Prince William of Orange, and he does say that, but at the time of the story Germany didn't exist they way it does now, he is saying he is germanic, ie, from the area.
There used to be Union Jacks at Anfield. Not after Thatcher..
It's truly god awful isn't it? Says nothing about the people or the land itself, no great idea or ideal behind it; it's about god, a very wealthy person and general sycophancy
there are probably more but I personally wouldn't sing a national anthem that praises a random person. Replace queen with land and it's instantly better
Last time I meant a Scouser I couldn't understand a word they said. We basically had to talk slow and use Google translate to communicate. Wonky English dialect.
It's dreadful alright. It's also used as a general "hail to the monarch" type of anthem in other countries. A generic tribute to the monarchy much more than a truly national anthem.It's truly god awful isn't it? Says nothing about the people or the land itself, no great idea or ideal behind it; it's about god, a very wealthy person and general sycophancy
