I hope that they had good games under him, that would be tragic if they didn't. But from Mourinho's perspective they are failure because they didn't fit what he wanted to do and he wasn't able to adapt to what they were consistently good at, it's not that difficult. And I ddin't say that these transfers were dramatic, they are failures for Mourinho because they didn't fit what he wanted which is why Pogba was pushed out of the club and Lindelof not trusted to start.
Why did we buy Fred?
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We never had any success with Brazilian players and Fred looks ill suited to premier league and is very limited in the few games he played for us. Not even sure what is his position in mid. Defensive mid, attacking mid or box to box?
Still hoping for miracle that Ole can improve him.
Still hoping for miracle that Ole can improve him.
Box to box I think, but we haven't really seen that much of him yet. I wouldn't be against playing him against Fulham tbh.
Agreed.
Though I would say Matic was a success under Mourinho, at least last season. He basically did exactly what he was bought for.
Other than that though, he never got anywhere close to the best out of his other signings. A complete failure, really.
Box to box midfielder need to be stamina powerhouse but he always looks knackered after 60 mins. His defensive side of play is not convincing either losing balls in dangerous position. Attacking wise he didn't created much.
Hopefully, given time to get used to the league he can improve massively.
That's fair, he can have Matic and in the future he might get Dalot too.
José didn't fancy him, Ole doesn't fancy him. Another Woody signing I presume
I never said he was forced to play him. The board said they could get Alexis and Jose agreed to it. Wasn’t a Jose target.
Now we have to pay Sanchez for the duration of his contract instead. Of course he would have been more useful on the pitch. Martial is not going to play every game and is still inconsistent.
Jose bought him. We all thought he was going to be a asset . Can see us offloading in summer.
Sanchez and Fred were both being looked at by Pep. Mourinho thought he had got two over him. Guess who is laughing now?
That's basically my point. Sanchez wasn't needed, he was already washed up at Arsenal and clearly on the decline. Somehow because City wanted him, he felt like a good player to get
Don't be silly.
It wasn't a Jose target. He just agreed to it because that's who the club was accepting to sign. People are saying Jose signed him just because City wanted him.
Who?
Looks an absolutely ridiculous signing at the moment. Would just about be acceptable if it'd been some 15m gamble, but 50m is insanity.
However, Lindelöf looked an absolute joker for a lot of his time here, and now suddenly people say he's the one definite, so who knows!
However, Lindelöf looked an absolute joker for a lot of his time here, and now suddenly people say he's the one definite, so who knows!
I don't know about people but my point was that United as a whole was obsessed with the players City were targeting. That includes the board and/or Mourinho
He's on the squad now so let's give him a few more chances before writing him off altogether. Skepticism that he'll succeed is warranted there's not a lot to lose in giving him a few more chances. It's not as though we're on the cusp of winning the PL this season, is it?
The amount of nonsense in this thread. I can't tell if y'all are trolling...
A foreigner needs 1 season before we should be making judgements. Next season he needs to prove his worth
Hopefully City will be interested in a better player next time.
You should look at your poo too occasionally just to check everything is as it should be.
I did and saw some blood, saved my life according to the doc.
So by all means look at poo, just don’t touch it.
This could well be this season's Lindelof. Everyone deserves at least a second season to prove themselves.
It may be worth noting Fred has played as a right winger before and we all know how weak our right side is...
It may be worth noting Fred has played as a right winger before and we all know how weak our right side is...
I find that hard to believe, Woody is more about big name signings like Varane, Bale etc. I doubt he was the one pushing for Fred.
You might be onto something there, we beat them to both Sanchez and Fred and neither seem to be working out so far.
3rd time lucky eh?
I told you to google what I mentioned instead of trolling.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/23/tottenham-chelsea-willian
From the article
I am not saying jose signed Fred for exactly the same reason but there is precedence to have a doubt about intention.
Sanchez and Fred are
But somehow Perisic said he rejected ManUtd?
It wasn't the board, they can do nothing if player is not interested in signing.
You really think he turned down United and then just this summer he hands in a transfer request to join ARSENAL. Come on.
If we were snubbed by Perisic the press would have rubbed our noses in it.
He snubbed us in 2017-18 season, he handed the transfer request in 2019 Jan. That's 1.5 years between 2 sets of actions.
Obviously we have to ignore what players said, what Inter directors said but have to go by theories made up by fans.
Btw one big change is finally Inter have someone who can make hard decisions.
Tottenham feel, Tottenham think.
And you know when a club is just interested and the other buys him that isn't a snatching?
He played defensive mid under Lucescu at Shaktar if I'm not mistaken. Then the new coach came in and moved him to a more box to box position because his forward passing and dribbling was okay.
Being Romanian I used to watch Shaktar's game and he looked alright at DM. Thing is that he looked much more aggressive and much more sure of himself, but that;s normal in the Ukrainean league.
I think he said in an interview that he didn't really liked being deployed by Lucescu at DM.
He's a neat player, but he needs to learn English. I noticed a few times that, during matches, people used to scream at him and he didn't understand shite form what they were saying.
Makes me appreciate Anderson and Kleberson more.
What a trainwreck.
What a trainwreck.
I've very little hope that this guy will turn it around, any time he's played I've seen a player that lacks any sort of talent and awareness of his surroundings. Not sure what our scouts are doing half of the time, more money down the drain.
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Based on his performances so far Fred it seems doesn't yet realise he has stepped up a level coming to United, he looks surprised when he's tightly marked and very surprised when put under sustained pressure. If Fred can realise his predicament and make the step up in his consciousness, then next season we might just have a useful player!
And you are again trolling. Did you google? Anyway, this is my last reply to you.
Willian had medical at Tottenham. He was about to sign and Chelsea (with jose as manager) snatched him.
If new to the PL, maybe (and that seems too long regardless imo) but after his time at Arsenal, I'd expect a much quicker showing of his worth.
On basis we can't sell him, worth trying to give him game time to allow us to make more informed keep/get rid decision next season
Needs some proper game time.
I'd play Herrera, Pogba and him against Fulham. Rest Matic so he's fresh for psg.
I'd play Herrera, Pogba and him against Fulham. Rest Matic so he's fresh for psg.
Good. Probably the best option for you.