Why Do We Go With Collective Bargaining?

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It seems we are selling ourselves well short in regards TV Rights. The money we make is easy money for the Glazers but for so called businessmen they seem to be missing the bigger picture.

We have a global fan base reported at 650 Million. We also have our own TV channel. We would only have to stream our home games on a PPV basis & it would dwarf what we currently receive from Sky & BT.

It's magnanimous on our part to enable the smaller teams to have a bigger share. At what point do we decide to look after our own interests.
 

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I don't know how these things work, but I'd guess that to play in the Prem you need to agree to relinquishing the tv rights to the league or something. Sincerely doubt it is done the way it currently is because we want to help the little guy.

For it to be differently I think all clubs in the league would have to push for it.

Just guessing
 

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Obvious answer is that you're wrong and United make more money this way. Second answer is that we're probably bound from privatising match viewings by the FA. TV rights are a collective thing and I can't imagine that clubs can just opt out.

Anyway, do we really want ONLY paid United fans watching matches? This is a club that has inspired people perhaps more than any other club in the world. Making our matches available only to paid subscribers would be a huge misstep and an affront to our history imo
 

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Obvious answer is that you're wrong and United make more money this way. Second answer is that we're probably bound from privatising match viewings by the FA. TV rights are a collective thing and I can't imagine that clubs can just opt out.

Anyway, do we really want ONLY paid United fans watching matches? This is a club that has inspired people perhaps more than any other club in the world. Making our matches available only to paid subscribers would be a huge misstep and an affront to our history imo
If it gets that neanderthal Keown, Souness and that crappy Sky Debate show to stop airing I'm all for it.
 

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With the rubbish we put out these days, we need propping up by the watchable teams in the league.
 

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Yea like we would know what to do with more money, fecking hell, we are incapable to even buy success.
 

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I think a much better question is why don't the other 18 teams in the Spanish top division tell Real and Barca to feck off and play with each other unless they agree to collective bargaining. There would only be one winner, well 18 I suppose.
 

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I think a much better question is why don't the other 18 teams in the Spanish top division tell Real and Barca to feck off and play with each other unless they agree to collective bargaining. There would only be one winner, well 18 I suppose.
Because their FA is in the books with Real and Barca.
 

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We are making a lot of money in this league because clubs in this country took the long-term view that a strong league is best for all 20 teams. It encourages competition and builds excitement, in the UK and around the world. This is one of the few cases where a UK enterprise and its stakeholders have actually looked beyond the immediate profits, something our greedy owners should learn from.

Where I'd agree we can try and flex our muscle is selling the rights to our 3 pm kick-offs in the UK.
 

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It seems we are selling ourselves well short in regards TV Rights. The money we make is easy money for the Glazers but for so called businessmen they seem to be missing the bigger picture.

We have a global fan base reported at 650 Million. We also have our own TV channel. We would only have to stream our home games on a PPV basis & it would dwarf what we currently receive from Sky & BT.

It's magnanimous on our part to enable the smaller teams to have a bigger share. At what point do we decide to look after our own interests.
Because its not in our interests to destroy the game in England by preventing lesser teams to be far less competitive. If we go down this path what should happen (same as f1) is that certain "legacy" payments be made to certain teams in order for them to profit for their existing "contribution" to the league. IE: Extra 20 - 30m per year to United for propping up the Premier League initially and then ongoing revenue it brings in to other teams. Its not an amount that is ridiculously unfair, but reflects what true value of what we bring to the Premier League that it otherwise wouldn't have access to without this Goliath of a club.
 

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I think a much better question is why don't the other 18 teams in the Spanish top division tell Real and Barca to feck off and play with each other unless they agree to collective bargaining. There would only be one winner, well 18 I suppose.
La Liga changed their structure two seasons ago that gave the rest of the teams more money but to answer your questions, who would pay to watch those teams without Real or Barca in the package?
 

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La Liga changed their structure two seasons ago that gave the rest of the teams more money but to answer your questions, who would pay to watch those teams without Real or Barca in the package?
What are Real and Barca without the other teams? Are they going to play each other 18 times a season? They all need each other.
 

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What are Real and Barca without the other teams? Are they going to play each other 18 times a season? They all need each other.
They could theoretically start a super league or join the Portuguese one or something or whatever, play in the US for that matter but that doesn't take away from the point above that the other 18 teams are in no position to kick out their golden goose.
 

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The real question is why does Glazer own the team and not the people of Manchester or the global fanbase?
 

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@ExecutionerWasp001 That isn't collective bargaining. Collective bargaining has to do with labor unions (i.e. player's associations). You are talking about revenue sharing.

Revenue sharing can help the stability of smaller teams in a league and raises the competitiveness of the English league football system. Frankly, I think it's a good thing and a large reason why the EPL is the most entertaining in the world.
 

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The real question is why does Glazer own the team and not the people of Manchester or the global fanbase?
I dunno, maybe they paid a lot of money for the privilege of owning Manchester United as have many many people prior to the Glazers... I seem to remember that there was a time when the global fanbase could have owned the club, but none of them could stump up the cash to buy the club...
 

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As much as I want the best for the club, I also don’t want our club to be compete scumbags. We will be back to glory but let’s do it without too many shenanigans?

Besides every game we play involves another team who may allow Sky to broadcast their games?
 

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@Cal? and I have been advocating this for years but it’s not going to happen, so basically no point in even entertaining the idea.
 

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I dunno, maybe they paid a lot of money for the privilege of owning Manchester United as have many many people prior to the Glazers... I seem to remember that there was a time when the global fanbase could have owned the club, but none of them could stump up the cash to buy the club...
The glazers did pay some money, but mostly the banks bought Man Utd for the Glazers, and Man Utd is paying them back in loans.
 

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Because it makes the league stronger?
It seems the more money that comes into the league the worse it gets. The level of the cannon fodder isn't getting any better. Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs are all average/poor. If it wasn't for the fact that Liverpool have a decent manager City would be cantering to their third PL in a row. As it is it will likely be only City & Liverpool involved in this seasons title race.

Obvious answer is that you're wrong and United make more money this way. Second answer is that we're probably bound from privatising match viewings by the FA. TV rights are a collective thing and I can't imagine that clubs can just opt out.
I don't see how we wouldn't make more money broadcasting our own matches. If we priced the PPV at £5 & had 10 Million subscribers (both conservative estimates) This would be £50 Mill revenue for just 1 game. There are obviously associated costs which would bring this figure down. We have 19 home games a season though. Our revenues would be huge.
 

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It seems the more money that comes into the league the worse it gets. The level of the cannon fodder isn't getting any better. Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs are all average/poor. If it wasn't for the fact that Liverpool have a decent manager City would be cantering to their third PL in a row. As it is it will likely be only City & Liverpool involved in this seasons title race.



I don't see how we wouldn't make more money broadcasting our own matches. If we priced the PPV at £5 & had 10 Million subscribers (both conservative estimates) This would be £50 Mill revenue for just 1 game. There are obviously associated costs which would bring this figure down. We have 19 home games a season though. Our revenues would be huge.
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So the Champions League finalists and the two Europa League finalists are poor?? Eh??
 

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So the Champions League finalists and the two Europa League finalists are poor?? Eh??
The standard of the traditional super powers in last years European competition was poorer than it has been for some years. This is the only reason we had 4 teams in the finals.
 

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The standard of the traditional super powers in last years European competition was poorer than it has been for some years. This is the only reason we had 4 teams in the finals.
Nah, Juventus, Real, PSG, Barcelona all choked pretty much. Bayern and Atletico were maybe a bit poorer than usually. Rest just got outplayed by the English sides.
 

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Nah, Juventus, Real, PSG, Barcelona all choked pretty much. Bayern and Atletico were maybe a bit poorer than usually. Rest just got outplayed by the English sides.
These teams ''choking'' does indicate a drop in quality. It's why they've all spent heavily going into this season.
 

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Nah, Juventus, Real, PSG, Barcelona all choked pretty much. Bayern and Atletico were maybe a bit poorer than usually. Rest just got outplayed by the English sides.
Barca really p!ssed me off with their one. Losing 3-0 lead two seasons running in the semi. Absolute mugs! I wouldn't care as much if it wasn't Liverpool who then went on to win it.
 

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We are one of or THE richest clubs in the world and we still cannot buy any kind of success like others do. Every fan thought we were going to put massive money into the rebuild this summer.
70 million net spend for the biggest club in the world, does not speak a whole lot for the footballing end of things. Keep going along these tracks and it will take us 3 years before we have a decent team, and will probably have gone through 3 managers.
 
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Let me be blunt: is there a labor crisis in America today?
Erm. I don't know, is there?
And what's that got to do with televising games on MUTV, on a pay-per-view basis?
 

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We are one of or THE richest clubs in the world and we still cannot buy any kind of success like others do. Every fan thought we were going to put massive money into the rebuild this summer.
70 million net spend for the biggest club in the world, does not speak a whole lot for the footballing end of things. Keep going along these tracks and it will take us 3 years before we have a decent team, and will probably have gone through 3 managers.
Not me. I repeatedly stated that we would be saving money this Summer and that Ole would go into the season with a not-so-great squad and be fired sometime in 2019.
Woodward started this policy last Summer and I think he is trying to balance the books.
And for those who think that spending less money now, will mean spending more money later - forget it.
Top 4 is our aim from here on in and Woodward wants to achieve this using the least amount of capital outlay.
I believe that Arsenal followed this strategy for a decade, under Wenger and made a lot of money out of it.
 

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It seems we are selling ourselves well short in regards TV Rights. The money we make is easy money for the Glazers but for so called businessmen they seem to be missing the bigger picture.

We have a global fan base reported at 650 Million. We also have our own TV channel. We would only have to stream our home games on a PPV basis & it would dwarf what we currently receive from Sky & BT.

It's magnanimous on our part to enable the smaller teams to have a bigger share. At what point do we decide to look after our own interests.
As big of a brand as MUFC are, they aren't bigger than the league as a whole. Even if we did start our own streaming service, I don't see that geting any bigger than what we get now. Plus it wouldn't be beneficial to the league for teams to go out on their own (see La Liga). One thing that I do see happening in the future is the EPL abandoning their current TV deal and starting their own streaming service. I don't know about you, but I would pay $20/month to see all the EPL games I wanted to. In fact, I already am with DAZN. Now imagine if that money all went to the league? The 100m payouts that the clubs see now would seem like nothing...
 

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Obvious answer is that you're wrong and United make more money this way. Second answer is that we're probably bound from privatising match viewings by the FA. TV rights are a collective thing and I can't imagine that clubs can just opt out.

Anyway, do we really want ONLY paid United fans watching matches? This is a club that has inspired people perhaps more than any other club in the world. Making our matches available only to paid subscribers would be a huge misstep and an affront to our history imo
Wasn't this part of Murdoch's dream to exploit the brand of Manchester United? He argued that the smaller clubs would benefit and quoted that one club in Spain said they got more money from their two televised games against Real and Barcelona than they did from all their other home game receipts put together.

Admittedly this was some time back and things have changed here and in Spain, but football is now a massive 'cash cow' for the big clubs and the Euro 'Super-duper' league cannot be far off, (probably after all the season length changes made for the 2022 WC in Qatar) and along with adverts during the VAR breaks and celebrity kick offs.

Dial your own MOTD collection of matches only £X per week can't be far off (and just think no Lineker and co. yipheeeee!)
 

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We are making a lot of money in this league because clubs in this country took the long-term view that a strong league is best for all 20 teams. It encourages competition and builds excitement, in the UK and around the world. This is one of the few cases where a UK enterprise and its stakeholders have actually looked beyond the immediate profits, something our greedy owners should learn from.

Where I'd agree we can try and flex our muscle is selling the rights to our 3 pm kick-offs in the UK.
This is exactly correct.