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Established how?It's been pretty well established that a lot of the top personnel at City get a second off the books stream of income on top of their basic wages and bonuses.
Established how?It's been pretty well established that a lot of the top personnel at City get a second off the books stream of income on top of their basic wages and bonuses.
I don't know why reading comprehension on this forum is so poor right now, maybe its directly correlated to our form on the pitch or something. I didn't say I find theories of "back-dealing by City" funny (nor unfounded btw), I said I find using Ronaldo's transfer from a decade ago as justification/explanation for these theories funny. Especially when they are being used as counter argument to the multitude of reasons as to why players would want to stay at City.I 've no idea why you find "back-dealing by City" so funny seen as there is so much proof and indusputable evidence of their having paid Mancini multiple wages,they've admitted cheating our fair play rules, they've faked sponsorship deals and being investigated for cooking the books so on.
How naive you are to think they'd never stop so low as to dole out add ons to player's wages.
You said;I don't know why reading comprehension on this forum is so poor right now, maybe its directly correlated to our form on the pitch or something. I didn't say I find theories of "back-dealing by City" funny (nor unfounded btw), I said I find using Ronaldo's transfer from a decade ago as justification/explanation for these theories funny. Especially when they are being used as counter argument to the multitude of reasons as to why players would want to stay at City.
He has often stated that he’d like to end his career at his hometown club (Las Palmas).Barça tried buying Agüero. City said no and they went and got Suarez. Silva said he'd never play for a Spanish club not named Valencia. So they have gone after Man City players
It’s pretty widely reported that he’s currently on £60k a week and for the past 18 months has refused to sign a new deal to double his money. If money was his main motivation, then he’s going about it a strange way.When even Leroy Sané is turning down a return home to the biggest club in his country and one of the biggest clubs in the World, you can be absolutely certain that City are paying every single player a Mancini special double-wage
I think most people now assume this because of Mancini's 'double' salary. In honesty, I think most of us (including the City fans who come onto this forum) likely suspect there's something extra going on behind the scenes because it's as if Real and Barca just ignore City, even though for the last ~5 seasons they've definitely had the best players.Established how?
Wouldn't it be tax evasion if you're not paying taxes on the income paid under the table? Hard to see how one conceals that.I think most people now assume this because of Mancini's 'double' salary. In honesty, I think most of us (including the City fans who come onto this forum) likely suspect there's something extra going on behind the scenes because it's as if Real and Barca just ignore City, even though for the last ~5 seasons they've definitely had the best players.
What I think is most likely is there are under the table payments happening all over the world of football, it's just the sums of money to players at City are bigger.
When you own a middle eastern country you have methods and means to do things with money that regular people and companies cannot. How did Qatar bribe their way to a world cup without the tax man knowing?Wouldn't it be tax evasion if you're not paying taxes on the income paid under the table? Hard to see how one conceals that.
Are bribes paid by a Qatari citizen taxable by HRMC? I imagine this example is different from Sterling stashing away an extra 50k per week in the mattress.When you own a middle eastern country you have methods and means to do things with money that regular people and companies cannot. How did Qatar bribe their way to a world cup without the tax man knowing?
It's not self-sustaining until it has been "sustained", so to speak. Two transfer windows is nothing. Let's see what happens when Pep leaves.City fan in peace
Regardless of whether the club misled or circumnavigated FFP rules, or even whether FFP is merely a form of glorified protectionism, the original question relates to something slightly different.
Ferguson’s greatest strength was his long term vision, and the uncanny knack of recognising when a player’s hunger might have dipped to an unacceptable level. It was the same with Bob Paisley’s Liverpool, and both dynasties prospered until those values were compromised, and players were signed for short term gain (Van Persie being a relatively recent example)
It’s also worth remembering that City were ridiculed in the immediate post-takeover period for being a “Rich Man’s Plaything”, with the echoes of “Money can’t buy success” reverberating around radio phone-ins and sneering newspaper columns.
The problem for non-City fans was that the club knew exactly what they were doing:
Short-term vision: To sign Aguero you need Tevez, but to sign Tevez you need Adebayor and Robinho
Mid-term vision: To win trophies and qualify for the self-perpetuating riches of the Champions League.
Long-term vision: To become self-sustaining.
Again, what fans of other clubs can’t accept is that regardless of what happened ten years ago, City are now self-sustaining, with only Mahrez purchased in the last two transfer windows (and largely funded by the sales of Diaz, ,Gunn, Maffeo, and Rotondo.
As for the wages/transfer fees, City were outbid for Sanchez (United), Fred (United), Jorginho (Chelsea,) and Van Dijk (Liverpool).
To say, that the club has bottomless pockets is frankly absurd.
Instead, just take away, the shy blue or red bias, and the club are simply copying what Ferguson did for so many years.
Three years ago, Bernardo was unproven, Sterling a figure of hate, and De Bruyne a football misfit. Al three have since prospered, but that’s down to quality coaching rather than extortionate wages.
Barcelona or Madrid might still come knocking but let’s see.
It depends on where and to who they are paid. £50k per week could be deposited for Raheem Sterling into a Seychellois or Panamanian bank without HRMC ever finding out.Are bribes paid by a Qatari citizen taxable by HRMC? I imagine this example is different from Sterling stashing away an extra 50k per week in the mattress.
cc @Rado_N
This might save Liverpool thoughHopefully a mass exodus on the way.
In his imagination.Established how?
This applies to all clubs with money. There isn't actually a lot of activity between them because the clubs dont need the money and players get similar wages. And the premium that you are going to pay is generally not for it which is why they all prey on the club below them financially and competitively.I've noticed similar with some of Liverpool's players I know Barca got Coutinho but if I were Madrid or even Barca I'd be throwing £££'s at them for the likes of Mane & Salah, Mane in particular
De Bruyne was one of the most exciting players in Germany when City paid £68m for him 5 years ago.City fan in peace
Regardless of whether the club misled or circumnavigated FFP rules, or even whether FFP is merely a form of glorified protectionism, the original question relates to something slightly different.
Ferguson’s greatest strength was his long term vision, and the uncanny knack of recognising when a player’s hunger might have dipped to an unacceptable level. It was the same with Bob Paisley’s Liverpool, and both dynasties prospered until those values were compromised, and players were signed for short term gain (Van Persie being a relatively recent example)
It’s also worth remembering that City were ridiculed in the immediate post-takeover period for being a “Rich Man’s Plaything”, with the echoes of “Money can’t buy success” reverberating around radio phone-ins and sneering newspaper columns.
The problem for non-City fans was that the club knew exactly what they were doing:
Short-term vision: To sign Aguero you need Tevez, but to sign Tevez you need Adebayor and Robinho
Mid-term vision: To win trophies and qualify for the self-perpetuating riches of the Champions League.
Long-term vision: To become self-sustaining.
Again, what fans of other clubs can’t accept is that regardless of what happened ten years ago, City are now self-sustaining, with only Mahrez purchased in the last two transfer windows (and largely funded by the sales of Diaz, ,Gunn, Maffeo, and Rotondo.
As for the wages/transfer fees, City were outbid for Sanchez (United), Fred (United), Jorginho (Chelsea,) and Van Dijk (Liverpool).
To say, that the club has bottomless pockets is frankly absurd.
Instead, just take away, the shy blue or red bias, and the club are simply copying what Ferguson did for so many years.
Three years ago, Bernardo was unproven, Sterling a figure of hate, and De Bruyne a football misfit. Al three have since prospered, but that’s down to quality coaching rather than extortionate wages.
Barcelona or Madrid might still come knocking but let’s see.
There are many more sources but these 2 are good starting points.Established how?
We've lost plenty of our top players all the way through to around 2017 - just in the last 15 seasons:I've noticed similar with some of Liverpool's players I know Barca got Coutinho but if I were Madrid or even Barca I'd be throwing £££'s at them for the likes of Mane & Salah, Mane in particular