Why is everyone so certain that DDG will be a starter under ETH?

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‘Em, because he the best keeper we have? By a long way.
 

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just one of the reasons I wanted Enrique to get the manager's job!
He would've been top tier, for sure.
But he is obsessed with the Spanish job.
Even if he was available, I'm not sure he'd have joined us as we simply aren't good enough.
 

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To clarify, I'm not saying De Gea is a good sweeper, I'm simply saying I don't think we've seen any evidence that he's been told to even start a little higher up the pitch. With that, it remains remains to be seen whether he can be aggressive enough in his engagment once the instruction is there (though like you I think he'll be found wanting).

Regardless, I still think the enormous gap we leave inbetween defence and midfield is more indicative of the organisation of our defenders more than anything. We're not seeing defenders that constantly stay back to prevent a ball over the top. They do actually try to engage high up the pitch sometimes. They just do it at stupid times and are miles too slow to do so.

If ten Hag decides that a new keeper is a priority for him then I'm more than happy with that, I just don't see a replacement being an immediate priority for him. I will say though I don't think there's a keeper in the world that could have prevented some of the idiocy we've seen from our defenders this season.
I'd like to see him as our number one for at least another year for sentimental reasons however it's not tactical instructions making him timid or conservative. He doesn't even leave his line in situations a traditional keeper would. He isn't conservative by sweeper standards, he's conservative period.

Where I'm at is all our best players have awkward traits for ETH's style of football. They all seem to have this one massive, actively detrimental weakness we're asking ETH to overcome. Like actual proper weaknesses the player is atrocious at. Number 9 too old for intensive pressing, keeper that can't sweep, number 10 whose style is the farthest from ball retention philosophy and defenders/midfielders that are even worse at defending space than said keeper. We might even be on the receiving end of some massive scorelines next season if we accommodate everyone.
 

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The way the defensive line played almost the position of Fred and Mctominay once Henderson became our GK was jaw dropping.

It showed me just how much this can hold us back, even if the shot stopping ability is weaker; our defence will improve.
 

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It shouldn't be one or the other though, upgrade both the midfield and gk and our defense will look a whole lot better of not being so exposed by these two areas.
Our problems are deeper than that. The idea that somehow if we fix midfield and goalkeeper someone like Maguire suddenly develops the agility and ball handling skills to play that style of football.
We wont be playing well in a modern progressive style until our entire back 5 and some of our midfield is fixed.
 

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Unfortunately we have so many other issues, and De Gea is a very expensive issue to fix on top of everything else.

A simple answer.
And a correct answer.
He'll probably finish up as our player of the year, too.
If he wins it again in this time with us it doesn't bode well how the next few years are going to pan out.
 

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We shouldnt be offering him a new contract unless he agrees on a cut. I read about a month ago he was on the list for one. Hes already the highest paid goalie in the world 375k a week the report said, so shouldnt be getting 400k. I hope we are scouting for his replacement, or maybe we have one in the youth setup who can step up. Henderson in the few games i have seen him play, isnt the answer.
 

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I don't know what ETH makes of DDG. But since I'm assuming he's a shrewd man, he'll see that we have about 6 or 7 burning fires to put out personnelwise and DDG's not one of them. And we're not a mineral wealth funded club so he cannot solve everything in one window.
 

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I saw this xGA graph on Reddit.

DDG had 2 seasons of awful form, followed by a few months of great form, followed by even more bad form.

He's north of 30 now and a decline is inevitably around the corner given the athletic way he plays the goalie position.

It's now or never, really. From a footballing perspective, I'm leaning towards a new 'keeper anyway because of his inability to come off his line. But this summer might also be the last chance to cash-in and remove the final Sanchez-era salary structure busting contract from the wage bill*. Put those two dimensions together, and I think selling him should be a major consideration for EtH.

*Ronaldo obviously has a bigger salary, but he's a special case in ways that nobody in the squad will ever expect to match.
 

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I don't know what ETH makes of DDG. But since I'm assuming he's a shrewd man, he'll see that we have about 6 or 7 burning fires to put out personnelwise and DDG's not one of them. And we're not a mineral wealth funded club so he cannot solve everything in one window.
we could get as much for DDG as a good replacement would cost (and Henderson is pretty good if you ask me, plus if Burnley go down Pope is likely to want to leave and they'll need to cash in. The guys at West Ham, Villa and Brighton are pretty good too without commanding enormous fees, I'm sure). Wjhtever anyone says about DDG, just look at our "goals conceded" column
 

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we could get as much for DDG as a good replacement would cost (and Henderson is pretty good if you ask me, plus if Burnley go down Pope is likely to want to leave)
I doubt we'd get anything at all for DDG. With his wages, the number of potential destinations can be counted on one mutilated hand, and none of them are currently in the market for a starting goaltender. I think we'd be looking at a loan, with no guarantee we'd even recoup his wages.

Not that it fundamentally matters - the question is if EtH thinks he can make it work with DDG at the back. If the answer is no, then there's a compelling case for moving him, whether we get something out of it or not. And I agree Henderson deserves a shot if we go down that road.
 

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I doubt we'd get anything at all for DDG. With his wages, the number of potential destinations can be counted on one mutilated hand, and none of them are currently in the market for a starting goaltender. I think we'd be looking at a loan, with no guarantee we'd even recoup his wages.

Not that it fundamentally matters - the question is if EtH thinks he can make it work with DDG at the back. If the answer is no, then there's a compelling case for moving him, whether we get something out of it or not. And I agree Henderson deserves a shot if we go down that road.
PSG tend to talk about changing their keeper every summer! Maybe he can go as part of the package for Pogba :P
 

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Except they've got two, haven't they. Both of whom has a reasonable claim to start.
I think Navas is done there, but I was only joking. donnarumma isn't going to be replaced after one season but Wojciech Szczęsny might be under threat at Juve. My point remains, we could get money for DDG
 

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DDG isn't a pressing issue in the grand scheme of our current issues, he is on an obscene salary making any move very unlikely and replacing him with a better keeper would be expensive.

He will probably be replaced over the next 2-3 seasons as more of ETHs squad comes together. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong and he will be first on the chopping block. I doubt it though.
 

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PSG tend to talk about changing their keeper every summer! Maybe he can go as part of the package for Pogba :P
DDG to Atletico would suit absolutely everyone.

DDG would be able to return to his home town and childhood club as the prodigal son. United would get a decent transfer fee and cut a massive chunk out of the wage bill. Atletico would be able to replace an underperforming Oblak. And in terms of playing style, Simeone would get a top shot stopper for his deep line as opposed to the poor fit De Gea would be for EtH's high line. Playing in Spain might even get DDG back into the national team if he's lucky.
 

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DDG to Atletico would suit absolutely everyone.

DDG would be able to return to his home town and childhood club as the prodigal son. United would get a decent transfer fee and cut a massive chunk out of the wage bill. Atletico would be able to replace an underperforming Oblak. And in terms of playing style, Simeone would get a top shot stopper for his deep line as opposed to the poor fit De Gea would be for EtH's high line. Playing in Spain might even get DDG back into the national team if he's lucky.
All true, but could Atletico afford his wages, and are they really dropping Oblak after one poor season?
 

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On the interesting things I noticed on the caf recently is that most people predict that DDG will be the starting GK under ETH. I don't understand this logic. You either haven't watched ETH's teams or you vastly overstate DDG's abilities.

ETH's ideal keeper is someone who can comfortably play in the high line. He is there to initiate attacks and bypass the press via his distribution. He has to be proactive and sweep the balls played behind the high line in order to ease off the pressure on the defense.

DDG does not have a single attribute mentioned above. Not only is he a reactive GK that is glued to his line all the time, but his distribution is shocking. The only redeeming feature are his insane reflexes which in a dysfunctional team like ours make him stand out more than he should.

But if you've followed ETH, he religiously prefers goalkeepers with a better distribution over reflexes. Take Pasaveer as an example: he signed a 39 year old GK simply because of his distribution. Reflex wise he left a lot to be desired. Just look at that 2-2 vs Benfica. Same thing with Onana: he was prioritized due to him matching the above description, despite always having an error in him.

Personally I think barring a miracle DDG will warm the bench starting next season and Henderson will be our starting GK as he seem to posses some of the attributes I mentioned above.
Theres at least 5 other positions to replace players before doing this. Longterm you're probably right but it'll be over a period of a year or two, while we cant wait that long for a new cb, probably 2 midfielders, a striker and either another CB or a fullback

Chelsea signed 5 players for 247 million euros the in the summer before Lampard was sacked and Tuchel got the team working. They also signed Thiago Silva and Malang Sarr on free transfers. So they had at least 6 players signed in 1 summer that were with a view to starting. And 1 of them was a goalkeeper, true.

We dont have anywhere near that amount of ambition, the most we did was probably when we signed Nani, Anderson, Tevez on loan and Hargreaves. So we're probably not going to match that amount of change and for us we'll have done well to get 4 or 5 players expecting to start in instead of the usual 2-3
 

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Yes he’ll need replacing in the not too distant future, but right now? It won’t even be a conversation. It would be like walking into a burning house and asking should we re-tile the bathroom.
 

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We will get an indication soon with what happens with Henderson.

There is no way he is sitting on the bench again all season, and on £125k a week it is insane to do so. He is either given some guarantees or he leaves.

My gut feeling is that Henderson will go out on loan next season as just think that there are too many other fish to fry this summer that are bigger issues……unless Ralf and ETH have been discussing the need to build from the keeper as a priority - when you consider how shite our FB’s are at passing he has a lot of surgery to do!

I suppose at least Henderson is already at the club?
 

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Add £10m more and we would have a potentially long-term world-class goalkeeper in Robert Sanchez, who only can improve under ETH. He should be attainable for around £30m.
While I am not 100% convinced of Sanchez as of yet, I have seen him have moments of madness in the few games I've seen Brighton play! However, while he has solid shot-stopping which isn't as good as of now compared to DDG, he is miles clear in terms of ball-playing ability.

Considering his age, fairly low-ish transfer fee (providing it's no more than £30-£35m), modern goalkeeping abilities, PL proven and the fact he is ahead of DDG ahead in the Spanish pecking order surely counts for something, I am happy to take a punt on him! He is also a GK where probably not too many top clubs would be pushing hard on him this summer and he will definitely be willing to want to come to us and signing players who want to play for United and not just for the money is important to me!