See you said it’s the ‘worst’ thing you’ve seen from a player, it simply isn’t.
What does this even mean? It’s a bunch of superlatives you can’t actually quantify.
Sorry for not being an internet warrior who spends his life at the forum
Well exactly, you didn't make any suggestions what should be done, you called mismanagement from the clubs side and I'm still trying to get an answer from you what from your perspective the club should do with Pogba in current situation. Maybe we started off on the wrong foot, I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I want to understand why some people think the club is doing something wrong. You're mocking other people ideas and opinions, but don't suggest your own. Maybe you think we shoud've sold him a year ago, maybe you think we should give him a payrise, I still can't tell what's your view on things.
I think you've mistaken me with someone from a different battlefield.
Are we really going to act like Pogba's agent doesn't represent him. Additionally, us not winning and Pogba's agent mouthing off when Pogba is supposed to be one of the stabilizing factors at the club was one of the reasons it was so bad. He showed he's not United through and through in that period. He showed that he was not the character of player United should have. I've seen Juve get relegated with Buffon, Nedved, Del Piero and Trezeguet staying. Players who performed fantastically for years, could get into any other teams in Europe and chose to stay at their club. Relegation was an extreme circumstance too; I don't expect many players to stay in that instance. But Pogba wasn't given that type of situation. Pogba had a team in 2nd place in 17/18 ( only in his second season) and was already dying his hair blue, being offered to City, with his agent badmouthing the club. The concern with Pogba isn't that he's just a prima donna, its the fact that most fans feel that he doesn't really care about the club....that's unforgivable from a fan standpoint. Di Maria is comparable in that regard.
If a poster in disagreement with your opinion is classed as a ‘keyboard warrior’ then perhaps a forum isn’t the correct place for you to air your nonsense.Sorry for not being an internet warrior who spends his life at the forum
You’ve tried this nonsense previously. I broke it down for you in Post #298. As for mismanagement Post #290 covers that.
This isn’t about ‘right’ or ‘wrong’. It’s about having discussions in good faith. You’re saying I haven’t answered questions then ignoring when I respond &/or state the post numbers instead going round in circles cause you’re still unable to address how you know what Pogba’s intentions are.
Again, it truly isn’t that deep. Threads aren’t battlegrounds & I’ve seen your username pop up in more than enough to know you aren’t ever a bystander.
This is a lot to break down but I will try. . .
Of course the club's not going to sell if the offer is what they consider peanuts. Does not make it the club's fault Pogba hasn't left.
oh my, you’re really deluded when it comes to this.
Bolded = check out all the reports, even from these last few weeks, about United’s position on the club(s) that have offered for Pogba. They don’t think it’s high enough of an offer. Who’s fault is that? NOT POGBA’S! The club are electing to not sell him and would much rather keep him as they haven’t wanted to sell him at any point at all.
…so you can stop mixing and matching words to fit whatever narrative it is you seem fit. Because it’s simply not the truth or reality of it. Thanks
Anything coming from fat boy's mouth is coming from Pogba. It's that simple.
Links please.
Another example of opinion spouted as fact. It’s that simple.
Pretty much this. I have always been in Pogba camp prior to that despite his inconsistent form and keep letting others helping him making noises for a move, as he is clearly most talented player we have in our squad, with ceiling higher than everyone else. But letting his agent to spout that shite on the eve of biggest game of season, is final nail on coffin. If he play us again, refusing to move in this summer and let his contract runs out for a move elsewhere, he will be forever in my most hated ex-United player list alongside with Tevez.
Because agents like him make sure that they make the most amount of money, and because 99.9% of fans worldwide dont care about what agent what player has.
The interview was done a week before, the publication chose to schedule the release for that date for obvious reasons. At the time the interview was made we weren't in any sort of crunch position vs Leipzig, so Raiola couldn't have timed the quotes just to disrupt us.
Even if it’s a week before we are still in most important period of season, and ahead of some of most important fixture/games we would be facing. There’s simply no excuse for this shite. His agent did said those things to public on behalf of him.
Its so obvious you think no one in the club's management thought about it or did it?
Because 40 mil is at stake.
If it was a week before then that would of been even worse. The only person with enough power to hold the interview back would of been Raiola and if that was the case then sabotage was definitely on the cards but all reports point to the interview being held on the 7th of December with our game being played on the 8th which was bad enough. Not once has Pogba spoken out at Raiolas constant shit stirring which makes it pretty obvious both of them are on the same page.
No no, I'm just not spending my life in front of computer so that's why I can't reply immediately - thanks for understanding.
I agree we can't address what are Pogba intensions, same as you can't state "we should've oferred him a deal in previous years" as we (people on this forum) know nothing about what has been really going on behind the scenes.If a poster in disagreement with your opinion is classed as a ‘keyboard warrior’ then perhaps a forum isn’t the correct place for you to air your nonsense.
You’ve tried this nonsense previously. I broke it down for you in Post #298. As for mismanagement Post #290 covers that.
If your issue is comprehension say so but you’re still running from questions posed to you days ago.
This isn’t about ‘right’ or ‘wrong’. It’s about having discussions in good faith. You’re saying I haven’t answered questions then ignoring when I respond &/or state the post numbers instead going round in circles cause you’re still unable to address how you know what Pogba’s intentions are.
You began this discussion by telling people what Pogba wants to do to which I took objection, you then moved on to me saying this issue has been mismanaged to which I have clarified in multiple posts & now you’re calling me a ‘keyboard warrior’ & you want to talk about getting off on the wrong foot
Again, it truly isn’t that deep. Threads aren’t battlegrounds & I’ve seen your username pop up in more than enough to know you aren’t ever a bystander.
I’ve been going back & forth with one particular poster on this subject & we’ve been joking about it via DM - it’s ok to disagree.
If you’re on a public forum posting opinion as fact be prepared to be challenged, nothing more.
Why is this being constantly repeated on this forum? I really don't understand why people assume this is the first time he has been oferred a new deal. It is in my humble opinion against all logic, because what I'd expect to happen is we do our best to keep key players.
Exactly.
True what he has done is not illegal, but it is utmost disrespect to a club who had helped develop him during his youth, forgiven him for his greedy act of moving to Italy for free while turning his back behind Fergie, and then bought him back for record breaking 89m. He literally fool us twice and cost us hundreds of millions, with return of many half arse attitude and performance. He is a massive failure in England and one of worst thing ever happened to the club in 21st century.
No ones saying you need to. You coming back to a topic days later with the exact same points was my issue.
This is my point about discussing in good faith. You’ve raised this quote multiple times before, initially in post #66. I responded with the below in post #73. . .
I took your objection to my wording agreed it needed more clarity & elaborated. . .
‘as we (people on this forum) know nothing about what has been really going on behind the scenes.’ looks rather similar to the point made by me pages ago so if in agreement, park it.
Whether we agree on anything or not isn’t really the issue, I’ve told you countless times what I took objection to with your comments, even quoting them multiple times but you haven’t wanted to address them, which is your prerogative, but don’t suddenly attempt to say we agree & this is a misunderstanding when you haven’t actually engaged in anything other than attempts to be antagonistic.
Again you've mistaken me with someone else, I told you 2 times already I never said that so again, so I'm not wasting any more time on that subject.
Parroting again.
Wait a minute, you suggest I'm repeating your post?
So you cut the half of my post (where I quoted myself from Sunday, to declare again my standpoint on Pogba situation), only to prove I am parotting you.
Hardly fiction, he works for Pogba and wouldn't do anything Pogba doesn't want him to.
They say criticise the post not the poster but this is rather cretinous coming from the same guy saying we should sign Haaland - a Raiola client yet is criticising Pogba for Raiola’s actions.
not sure how you work that out, simply if he dont sign a new contract should just be left to rot in with the reserves.
The pros and cons of leaving Pogba to "rot in the reserves":
What would that acheive?
I think I already qualified my point....
Pogba has been disrespecting the club and its supporters for years, we should drop the asking price and just get rid of him. If he had any loyalty to United and its supporters, any ambtion other than to make mega bucks, all he had/has to do is come out and say, publicly, whether he wants to stay, or he wants to go, at least by doing so he lets everybody know where they stand. If he was so desperate to get away in order to win trophies etc surely he would take a cut in wages so making it easier financially for a club to afford Uniteds asking price? But it seems hes more than happy to see out his contract and leave on a free and pick up a huge signing on fee, and if this is the case it shows a damning lack of ambition and a warning to other clubs not to touch him.
