Why so many knee-jerk reactions and negativity 7 games in?

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With everyone fit we have a:-
good backline.
Shit midfield
top forwards who can be too greedy
And a manager who cannot get his selections and substitutions right.
Which is why we will end up fighting for that 4th spot.
...& yet from the most goals scored and game changing substitutions last season was.....Man Utd!
 

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After 142 games, Ole had 76 wins, 32 draws and 34 losses. The stats are solid, and I think Ole has done a good job to this point. Having said that, as an Ole-inner, it's time to deliver. Those stats are good given the players he had and the changes he had to make to the squad. Now he has the squad he has to achieve. I feel like the sharks are circling now for him, with quite a few of his supporters starting to turn. I'm not there but our run of fixtures over the next few weeks will decide his fate at least in the medium term. Take some wins against Leicester, Spurs, Liverpool, City and Atalanta and remain in contention and he'll be fine. Lose a few of those and end up 5 or six points off the top and he'll be gone I think. And that'll be fair enough - we shouldn't be in that position with this squad and I'd say most Ole-inners like me would accept that.
 

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After 142 games, Ole had 76 wins, 32 draws and 34 losses. The stats are solid, and I think Ole has done a good job to this point.
The stats are just that though, solid, and nothing more. Rodgers was sacked by Liverpool with: P166 W83 D41 L42. Overall, they have similar kinds of stats.

I think Ole could well be our Rodgers, and I've said so before. Both were nearly men who took their clubs out of a slump and left a fantastic canvas for a better manager to work with. I'm not calling for Ole's head, but massive improvements are needed and I'm losing hope.
 

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The stats are just that though, solid, and nothing more. Rodgers was sacked by Liverpool with: P166 W83 D41 L42. Overall, they have similar kinds of stats.

I think Ole could well be our Rodgers, and I've said so before. Both were nearly men who took their clubs out of a slump and left a fantastic canvas for a better manager to work with. I'm not calling for Ole's head, but massive improvements are needed and I'm losing hope.
Yep and Ten Hag could be our Klopp.
 

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Yep and Ten Hag could be our Klopp.
I don't really know enough about him, but he seems highly regarded. It's likely Ole won't be here come next season; if that's the case, we need to really get our next appointment right given the squad we have.
 

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Come on people, this is pure speculation. Lex Talionis says so himself. You can't be "spot on" with speculation - if you had reason to think that, it wouldn't be speculation.
In defense of speculation, speculation can indeed be spot on, but it can’t be confirmed as spot on until the future becomes the present, at which time it may be revealed as erroneous, or spot on.

All we club supporters can do is continue to moan about seemingly absurd managerial decisions, such as sanctioning the acquisition of a player the manager refuses to play (Donny, in case there’s any doubt) and refusing to sanction the acquisition of a proper CDM (such as Rice), while persisting with a wholly inadequate double pivot (who need no introduction here), while we continue to woefully underperform and drop stupid points.

While it may be speculation on my part, I have yet to hear or read a more convincing explanation as to why we’ve allowed that massive gap in the squad.
 
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Most of us didn't want him here in the first place.

We were told to be patient until the "rebuild" was finished, and then judge him.

3 years down the line and we still see this shit on the pitch.

After more than 300m in investing he still hasn't got a clue how to get the best of his players and we keep watching this shit on a stick football week in week out. And this time we are told to wait until it miraculously clicks between them.
This* It’s about time for a change and our club to reflect its big money transfer business. If we are serious as contenders it’s ridiculously clear as day we can’t do it with this coaching staff and manager.

Imagine our coaching staff at any other top club. They would not last 5 mins in a job. That’s a fact too and 100% the reason they should be out the door sooner rather than later.

“I love Ole but…” sick of hearing this line now. I love United more.
 

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This* It’s about time for a change and our club to reflect its big money transfer business. If we are serious as contenders it’s ridiculously clear as day we can’t do it with this coaching staff and manager.

Imagine our coaching staff at any other top club. They would not last 5 mins in a job. That’s a fact too and 100% the reason they should be out the door sooner rather than later.

“I love Ole but…” sick of hearing this line now. I love United more.
No, that's quite obviously not "a fact". On the contrary, that is 100% your totally subjective opinion. If indeed it could be assumed that you have the necessary insight and information for it even to qualify as a meaningful opinion. Which I very much doubt.
 

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In defense of speculation, speculation can indeed be spot on, but it can’t be confirmed as spot on until the future becomes the present, at which time it may be revealed as erroneous, or spot on.

All we club supporters can do is continue to moan about seemingly absurd managerial decisions, such as sanctioning the acquisition of a player the manager refuses to play (Donny, in case there’s any doubt) and refusing to sanction the acquisition of a proper CDM (such as Rice), while persisting with a wholly inadequate double pivot (who need no introduction here), while we continue to woefully underperform and drop stupid points.

While it may be speculation on my part, I have yet to hear or read a more convincing explanation as to why we’ve allowed that massive gap in the squad.
Except you're not speculating about what will happen in the future, you're speculating about the causes of something you claim is already the case. And it doesn't mean shit if the speculation turns out to be spot on or not, it's still speculation - ie, an explanation you don't actually have the necessary knowledge to make, and which there is consequently no reason to take seriously. The fact that it strikes you as "convincing" is neither here nor there.

Perhaps you should consider breaking the habit? For instance by not writing entirely fictional rubbish like "refusing to sanction the acquisition of a proper CDM"?
 

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People just want instant fixes/success. This season could turn out to be a success, but if seemingly the majority on here controlled the club we'd never get the chance to play it out.
Nope we just want a competent manager.

We have one of the two greatest players of all time leading the line with Cavani on the bench and a stacked squad of winners and people like yourself will use excuses of the mentality isn’t strong enough…

It’s the outdated training methods and our coaches not having much experience, not the players at this point. Plain as day.
 

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No, that's quite obviously not "a fact". On the contrary, that is 100% your totally subjective opinion. If indeed it could be assumed that you have the necessary insight and information for it even to qualify as a meaningful opinion. Which I very much doubt.
It kinda is a fact when 99% of the football world disagrees with your opinion. All our rivals love our manager been at our club more than we do.
 

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It kinda is a fact when 99% of the football world disagrees with your opinion. All our rivals love our manager more than we do.
Well, that's a beaut. In a single short sentence you manage to demonstrate that you fundamentally don't understand the difference between an opinion and a fact, give expression to a basic fallacy (majority opinion must be right) AND add another factual claim you have no basis for (99% of the football world holds a certain opinion).
 

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Well, that's a beaut. In a single short sentence you manage to demonstrate that you fundamentally don't understand the difference between an opinion and a fact, give expression to a basic fallacy (majority opinion must be right) AND add another factual claim you have no basis for (99% of the football world holds a certain opinion).
How many Chelsea fans would have him as their manager do you reckon? I’d probably assume it’s less than 1%? 1 percent would be a high figure to be honest.
 

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You mean… why are people reacting to the games that have happened?
 

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How many Chelsea fans would have him as their manager do you reckon? I’d probably assume it’s less than 1%? 1 percent would be a high figure to be honest.
Oh right, you're taking the piss. Sorry, I thought you meant it. It's hard to tell the difference these days.
 

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Oh right, you're taking the piss. Sorry, I thought you meant it. It's hard to tell the difference these days.
You haven’t given me any reason why we should keep the guy though…

Give me a reason that overrides the poor results, boring football, tactical nativity proven almost on a weekly basis now and spending hundreds of millions to be a top 4 side at best?

It’s the ‘United way’ right?
 

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No, that's quite obviously not "a fact". On the contrary, that is 100% your totally subjective opinion. If indeed it could be assumed that you have the necessary insight and information for it even to qualify as a meaningful opinion. Which I very much doubt.
I mean, I can see Klopp at Real or Pep back at Barca. Or at Newcastle. Conte won with Juve, Italy etc.
Tuchel worked at Dortmund and PSG. If Simeone left Atletico, he could easily get a job at a top top club.

I cannot fathom Ole getting a job at another top club. And thats also the opinion among my German mates.
 

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You haven’t given me any reason why we should keep the guy though…

Give me a reason that overrides the poor results, boring football, tactical nativity proven almost on a weekly basis now and spending hundreds of millions to be a top 4 side at best?

It’s the ‘United way’ right?
The results in the past two seasons have not been poor, in my opinion. On the contrary, they have been better than it would be reasonable to expect, and hence amount to good progress. They have to improve this year, and what we've been seeing the last few games is deeply worrying. But we're seven rounds into the season here - there's no reason why this can't still be turned around.

I don't think the football has been boring, rather the contrary.

The accusation of tactical naivety as a constant and clear feature of United over the past 2-3 seasons is way overblown in my opinion.

The notion that United is spending hundreds of millions just to be a top 4 side is bollocks, in my opinion. It's not what the club says their aim is, it's not what the manager says the aim is, it's just what a few supporters have decided in their minds that the real aim is, because those Glazers and all don't you know.

In short - his period as a whole, Ole has done well, and the results have been good. Now they need to take the next step.
 

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I mean, I can see Klopp at Real or Pep back at Barca. Or at Newcastle. Conte won with Juve, Italy etc.
Tuchel worked at Dortmund and PSG. If Simeone left Atletico, he could easily get a job at a top top club.

I cannot fathom Ole getting a job at another top club. And thats also the opinion among my German mates.
I think Ole could land a decent job after having United on his CV. I think a place where he has better coaches, lower expectations is great for him. Yeah he may not get Madrid, Barca, Bayern or PSG but Dortmund, Milan, Lille, Valencia should all be within his reach. He's just not a manager that has that edge at the very top. He go down the Villas Boas route and get a good job after United but then end up in China or back in Norway. Either way, we need a new manager at United, Ole just don't cut it for me.
 

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The results in the past two seasons have not been poor, in my opinion. On the contrary, they have been better than it would be reasonable to expect, and hence amount to good progress. They have to improve this year, and what we've been seeing the last few games is deeply worrying. But we're seven rounds into the season here - there's no reason why this can't still be turned around.

I don't think the football has been boring, rather the contrary.

The accusation of tactical naivety as a constant and clear feature of United over the past 2-3 seasons is way overblown in my opinion.

The notion that United is spending hundreds of millions just to be a top 4 side is bollocks, in my opinion. It's not what the club says their aim is, it's not what the manager says the aim is, it's just what a few supporters have decided in their minds that the real aim is, because those Glazers and all don't you know.

In short - his period as a whole, Ole has done well, and the results have been good. Now they need to take the next step.
This is exactly where I am right now. This season is make or break for Solksjaer as far as I'm concerned. I don't understand the negativity that has been a constant for the last 3 years within a certain minority of our fanbase. Every year we've made progress, improved results, performances and the squad.

But now it's crunch time. The next level of progress is to win or at least closely challenge for the league. Based on the first 7 games, that looks unlikely so far. And while I can understand the disappointment with our performances after some superb signings, the hysteria on this forum is so overblown it's ridiculous. But I'm not going to waste any time going into that, because those guilty of the hysteria will never have the self awareness to realise it.

As far as I'm concerned, the progress so far means he's earned the opportunity to take that next step and turn us into winners. And if he fails this season, then it's time to move on.
 

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You mean… why are people reacting to the games that have happened?
It has become more about supporting a person rather than a club and it's not just with Ole, players as well. Any criticism directed towards your favorite player/manager is instantly frowned upon.

I supported United before Ole was a player and I will long after he leaves as a manager. Ofcourse I want him to do well, because that would result in my club doing as well. This season he has a great squad and hopefully that translates on the pitch.

But it has come to a point here that you can't even question a persons ability without being jumped for being a knee-jerker. Although I agree some criticism is over the top but there are also some good points being brought up that deserve consideration.
 

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I think Ole could land a decent job after having United on his CV. I think a place where he has better coaches, lower expectations is great for him. Yeah he may not get Madrid, Barca, Bayern or PSG but Dortmund, Milan, Lille, Valencia should all be within his reach. He's just not a manager that has that edge at the very top. He go down the Villas Boas route and get a good job after United but then end up in China or back in Norway. Either way, we need a new manager at United, Ole just don't cut it for me.
100%
I can surely see him succeed at a lower level. He is not a bad coach. We are not badly coached.
BUT its not good enough for the top, top level.
 

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Well, that's a beaut. In a single short sentence you manage to demonstrate that you fundamentally don't understand the difference between an opinion and a fact, give expression to a basic fallacy (majority opinion must be right) AND add another factual claim you have no basis for (99% of the football world holds a certain opinion).
Great - you've corrected the poster. Do you think Ole should stay?
 

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I think Ole could land a decent job after having United on his CV. I think a place where he has better coaches, lower expectations is great for him. Yeah he may not get Madrid, Barca, Bayern or PSG but Dortmund, Milan, Lille, Valencia should all be within his reach. He's just not a manager that has that edge at the very top. He go down the Villas Boas route and get a good job after United but then end up in China or back in Norway. Either way, we need a new manager at United, Ole just don't cut it for me.
I don't think Dortmund would go anywhere near Ole, unless he was part of some bizarre strategy to convince Haaland to stay.
 

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Great - you've corrected the poster. Do you think Ole should stay?
You'll find out if you take the trouble of reading a couple of posts higher in the thread. And there is a limit to the amount of bullshit you should get away with in these discussions without being called out for it.
 

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Except you're not speculating about what will happen in the future, you're speculating about the causes of something you claim is already the case. And it doesn't mean shit if the speculation turns out to be spot on or not, it's still speculation - ie, an explanation you don't actually have the necessary knowledge to make, and which there is consequently no reason to take seriously. The fact that it strikes you as "convincing" is neither here nor there.

Perhaps you should consider breaking the habit? For instance by not writing entirely fictional rubbish like "refusing to sanction the acquisition of a proper CDM"?
My speculation may be wrong, but I am in fact speculating about a future event, which is that we will buy a CDM in the next one or two transfer windows although it is a fact that we did not so this summer.

If you believe that club management did in fact sanction the acquisition of a proper this last summer, would you mind providing the evidence for this claim?

It’s a matter of opinion, not speculation, that we needed to bring in a CDM last summer, as there had been concerns expressed by many that Matic didn’t have the legs for the job any longer, that McFred was an inherent liability, that Donny wasn’t a natural CDM and that Garner wasn’t ready yet for the first team. Again, all opinion, but these opinions are widely held to be valid opinions. What is not in dispute, unless you have evidence to the contrary, that we did not bring in a proper CDM this summer — when we have a squad that’s otherwise ready to challenge fir the PL trophy. What is a matter of speculation is why. There can be any number of explanations for this, but there can no doubt whatsoever for the validity of the assertion that club management refused to sanction the acquisition of a proper CDM in the summer of 2021, despite widespread demands by club supporters and observers that that was exactly what we needed.

Whether club management were wise to settle for the squad as it stood in August and not sanction the acquisition of a proper CDM is a matter of opinion. However, any objective assessment of the performances of our squad, so far at least, is that it is weakest in midfield. Perhaps McFred will come good starting with Leicester City, but so far they’ve been by far the weakest link in the first team. What’s frustrating to many of us is that was in no way a surprise.
 

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My speculation may be wrong, but I am in fact speculating about a future event, which is that we will buy a CDM in the next one or two transfer windows although it is a fact that we did not so this summer.

If you believe that club management did in fact sanction the acquisition of a proper this last summer, would you mind providing the evidence for this claim?

It’s a matter of opinion, not speculation, that we needed to bring in a CDM last summer, as there had been concerns expressed by many that Matic didn’t have the legs for the job any longer, that McFred was an inherent liability, that Donny wasn’t a natural CDM and that Garner wasn’t ready yet for the first team. Again, all opinion, but these opinions are widely held to be valid opinions. What is not in dispute, unless you have evidence to the contrary, that we did not bring in a proper CDM this summer — when we have a squad that’s otherwise ready to challenge fir the PL trophy. What is a matter of speculation is why. There can be any number of explanations for this, but there can no doubt whatsoever for the validity of the assertion that club management refused to sanction the acquisition of a proper CDM in the summer of 2021, despite widespread demands by club supporters and observers that that was exactly what we needed.

Whether club management were wise to settle for the squad as it stood in August and not sanction the acquisition of a proper CDM is a matter of opinion. However, any objective assessment of the performances of our squad, so far at least, is that it is weakest in midfield. Perhaps McFred will come good starting with Leicester City, but so far they’ve been by far the weakest link in the first team. What’s frustrating to many of us is that was in no way a surprise.
I'm sure those still reading this will be starting to find it less than entertaining, but I must point out that your proposition was that Ole has already persuaded the club leadership that they didn't have to invest in a central midfielder until next year, so that is speculation around something that is assumed to have already taken place, yes. And no, I don't have to prove that your speculation is wrong for that to be and remain speculation.

You can of course think that we needed to bring in a CM this summer (and I agree with you), but that's got nothing to do with that.
 

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I'm sure those still reading this will be starting to find it less than entertaining, but I must point out that your proposition was that Ole has already persuaded the club leadership that they didn't have to invest in a central midfielder until next year, so that is speculation around something that is assumed to have already taken place, yes. And no, I don't have to prove that your speculation is wrong for that to be and remain speculation.

You can of course think that we needed to bring in a CM this summer (and I agree with you), but that's got nothing to do with that.
It’s not hard to separate opinion from fact from speculation.

It’s a matter opinion that we should have brought in a CDM this summer. It’s a matter of fact that we did not bring in a CDM this summer. It’s a matter of speculation on my part that we will bring in a CDM either in January or, more likely, next summer.

I’m genuinely curious as to which of those three sentences above you believe is erroneous.
 

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It’s not hard to separate opinion from fact from speculation.

It’s a matter opinion that we should have brought in a CDM this summer. It’s a matter of fact that we did not bring in a CDM this summer. It’s a matter of speculation on my part that we will bring in a CDM either in January or, more likely, next summer.

I’m genuinely curious as to which of those three sentences above you believe is erroneous.
None of them. But equally none of them contain the claim I've been addressing, which was this;

But this is: Now for the speculation on my part. I worry that another season of going trophyless is what Ole has sold to club management, that we’ll add the final piece — a central midfielder — next summer…and then, finally, put in a proper challenge for the PL trophy.

Ie, that we didn't buy a CM this season because Ole has convinced club management that we won't challenge for a trophy next year, and should only buy a CM next summer.
 

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You'll find out if you take the trouble of reading a couple of posts higher in the thread. And there is a limit to the amount of bullshit you should get away with in these discussions without being called out for it.
True but trivial back-and-forths like that get pretty irritating after a while.
 

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None of them. But equally none of them contain the claim I've been addressing, which was this;

But this is: Now for the speculation on my part. I worry that another season of going trophyless is what Ole has sold to club management, that we’ll add the final piece — a central midfielder — next summer…and then, finally, put in a proper challenge for the PL trophy.

Ie, that we didn't buy a CM this season because Ole has convinced club management that we won't challenge for a trophy next year, and should only buy a CM next summer.
Well yes, this is my speculation. But I admitted up front that it is my speculation and is in no way an undisputed fact.

In general, we often don’t know why managers and club management make the decisions they make. You and I may be in perfect agreement that we could have and should have brought in a CDM this summer. And I think we are in perfect agreement that the squad is weakest in midfield, that weakness having significantly contributed to dropping points we should not have dropped. But what neither one of us can adequately explain is why United allowed this weakness in the squad to persist going into this season. A forum like RedCafe offers each of us an opportunity to discuss these issues and judge them accordingly. If I conveyed the impression that I knew with any level of certainty why we remain so shambolic in midfield I apologize.

If you (hypothetically) argued that Ole is happy with McFred and that he’s only being patient with McTominay as he recovers from the groin injury and that he’s being patient with Fred as he tries to recover from a bad patch of form I would have no factual basis to dispute your, well, speculation as to why United did not go in for a CDM this summer and why Ole remains confident in McFred. That may actually be the most plausible explanation —. that he actually believes in McFred. I do not mean to put words in your mouth but am only offering an alternative and plausible explanation as to why we did not go in for a CDM this summer. Obviously Ole would love to win the treble this season but can it really be argued that club management — Ole and Murtaugh and everyone else who might be involved in these decisions — did everything in their power this summer to strengthen the squad to enable United to win at least a PL trophy in May? I don’t think so.
 

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None of them. But equally none of them contain the claim I've been addressing, which was this;

But this is: Now for the speculation on my part. I worry that another season of going trophyless is what Ole has sold to club management, that we’ll add the final piece — a central midfielder — next summer…and then, finally, put in a proper challenge for the PL trophy.

Ie, that we didn't buy a CM this season because Ole has convinced club management that we won't challenge for a trophy next year, and should only buy a CM next summer.
Or the far more likely he was given a budget for the summer, wanted to try a do a deal for a cdm (possibly rice) but simply could not raise the funds and the glazers wouldn't sign off the money without raising some on sales first.

We needed a RW, CB and CDM we got two out of three plus the bonus of Ronaldo for a realitive pittance. But we couldn't sell any of our deadwood so couldn't spend anymore to make the signing of a cdm.
 

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I think Ole could land a decent job after having United on his CV. I think a place where he has better coaches, lower expectations is great for him. Yeah he may not get Madrid, Barca, Bayern or PSG but Dortmund, Milan, Lille, Valencia should all be within his reach. He's just not a manager that has that edge at the very top. He go down the Villas Boas route and get a good job after United but then end up in China or back in Norway. Either way, we need a new manager at United, Ole just don't cut it for me.
I’m calling it that he wouldn’t even be interested in other managerial jobs outside of Molde or maybe the Norwegian national team, and I don’t think the likes of Dortmund, Milan, Lille or Valencia would even consider him.

I think Solskjaer was happy and content to have a pressure free existence running his hometown team in Norway, based on the fact he went back to Molde after bombing at Cardiff. If he was seriously thinking about being a big time manager, he’d have put himself out there after Cardiff and not gone back to Molde.

I think Solskjaer is living the dream of being the top man at his other favourite team because Ed Woodward made that call just before Xmas 2018 and he happened to be in the right place at the right time. He attained an unreal record as caretaker which lead to our board giving him the keys to the kingdom prematurely in hindsight (remember he was a stopgap until end of season while they searched for the real replacement), and is trying his best at it but sadly his best isn‘t good enough to that very high Utd standard.
 

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I’m calling it that he wouldn’t even be interested in other managerial jobs outside of Molde or maybe the Norwegian national team, and I don’t think the likes of Dortmund, Milan, Lille or Valencia would even consider him.

I think Solskjaer was happy and content to have a pressure free existence running his hometown team in Norway, based on the fact he went back to Molde after bombing at Cardiff. If he was seriously thinking about being a big time manager, he’d have put himself out there after Cardiff and not gone back to Molde.

I think Solskjaer is living the dream of being the top man at his other favourite team because Ed Woodward made that call just before Xmas 2018 and he happened to be in the right place at the right time. He attained an unreal record as caretaker which lead to our board giving him the keys to the kingdom prematurely in hindsight (remember he was a stopgap until end of season while they searched for the real replacement), and is trying his best at it but sadly his best isn‘t good enough to that very high Utd standard.
The performances in his caretaker period began to dqindle towards the end too, but he was still given the job permanently.
 

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People seem to forgot that we are behind Chelsea who had Liverpool,Arsenal,Spurs away and City at Home.
Some here also say we are better against the top teams but based on last season we are not. In Ole’s first season yeah but our record against the top 6 last year was poor.

We had handy fixtures yet we are out of the cup, lost to Young Boys, drew with Southampton and lost at home to Villa. This would be alright if 2 seasons ago but not now. City have lost and drew a game this season so it was essential to get a head start on them. They are capable of winning 10 in a row no problem, we won’t challenge and most here realise that already.
 

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He doesnt look half bad a coach due to the quality United have. Most manager given 500m and 3 season and ronaldo wont fare far worse.

He wont have that luxury in lower table teams and he needs to use his skill more.