Brunos goals and assists are a lot better than Giggs and Scholes ever had - and they actually had decent players around them. He already has that as far as I am concerned
Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
So getting Wayne Rooney sent off is not related to United. Are you serious?
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He might be playing for a crap United side but he is every bit as good as players that won UCL 08. Due to longevity and delivery he is a legend in my books BUT players usually need the accolades to go with the ability and longevity to be deemed true legends. Otherwise they are mostly just deemed great players in the Dark Ages of a clubs history.
Roy Makaay and Lucio for example were incredible for Bayern during the (relative) Dark Ages of the 00's but they arrived a few years after 2 UCL finals and left a few years before another 3 UCL finals so they aren't rated as highly as they should be based on their skill level and longevity.
Roy Makaay and Lucio for example were incredible for Bayern during the (relative) Dark Ages of the 00's but they arrived a few years after 2 UCL finals and left a few years before another 3 UCL finals so they aren't rated as highly as they should be based on their skill level and longevity.
If he makes the EL final the "Bruno cup final", the discussion ends.
Win the Europa League and he becomes a legend.
If he was to play a vital part in a PL/Champions League triumph, I genuinely think he gets into top tier status among our top 10/15 best ever players.
If he was to play a vital part in a PL/Champions League triumph, I genuinely think he gets into top tier status among our top 10/15 best ever players.
Paneka penalty, then headbutts van der ven in the chest and gets red carded, then we lose?
Did it impact either player the following season ? Was it pretty much forgotten about after they propelled United to the league title ? Yes they both played for United at the time of the England/Portugal game and there were a lot of United fans that were very unhappy but that has ZERO impact on what Ronaldo did in a United shirt at all
Rooney has said in interviews he didn't give a shit at the time and he'd have done the same to Ronaldo if he could. The media made a bigger deal out of it than it was.
Getting Rooney - playing for England at the time - sent off guarantees his legendary status. And that wink.
I don't think that's true, there are United players that are considered legends that played in sides that in reality underachieved, Bryan Robson is a legend and I'd argue Norman Whiteside is as well and yet they were part of a team that failed to win a league title or a European trophy in the 80's
I agree with the other poster who noted the petulance and moaning. If he keeps his stuff together as he does in last few month, the supporters of other teams will acknowledge it too. Lets face it, it doesn't really cost them much given that our team is where it is.
I wouldn't call that an aura but a lack of game plan.
Just to make sure as I read it a few times in the last days, who exactly do you mean? Honest question, is this about redcafe or Keane or did I miss something?
It's weird but that wink incident kind of strengthened their relationship on the pitch. After 2006 World Cup, their partnership was on the whole other level. Ronaldo-Rooney duo was one of the best duos I have ever witnessed. The amount of times that they assisted to each other was ridiculous. Ronaldo would often assist Rooney with his backheel and Rooney would whip the cross for Ronaldo to finish with his headers. It looked so easy and smooth. It was very comparable to Yorke-Cole relationship. It's a shame that it didn't last longer, but during those three years between 2006-09 they looked absolutely deadly on the pitch.
I'd say for sure already. Sticking with your team when they're the best is much easier than doing so when they're shit. He has carried us in the worst times in recent memory and never waivered in his effort. Whilst also being world class.
He’s already a legend. But perhaps he is at a crossroad between a Brian McClair’s level and Bryan Robson’s legend level. Lead us to Europa League success and a relatively successful next few seasons, then he’ll be our Robbo. Sort of.
Exactly my thinking with it too mate, as I said in my first post I think he’ll probably be in that second tier of players but being the driving force to a Europa win and almost single-handedly propelling us back into the CL followed by a few seasons of stabilising us as a top team again will see Bruno as our modern day version of what Robson did for us in the 80’s and early 90’s.
Much like with Robson I do hope that Bruno is with us long enough to win a PL title as he’s given his best years to us and is easily our best player post Sir Alex, his fitness record and how he looks like he’s going to settle into a Modric like midfield orchestrator means we could see Bruno go onto play for many years to come.
Posters like LeonDion and that other nutter that said he'll go down as the worst captain in United's history.
That would be one way to do it.
So two posters on here then? Thats where all the mentions of "all those fans" come from. Thats... something
'posters like...' does not equal 'the only posters'. I assume you understand that but let me know if not and happy to explain in more detail.
Thanks for the offer, I decline for now but will come back to it later in case of need. It still is interesting that it seems to be about redcafe posts. I think I have a decent overview when it comes to "critical" posts around that particular topic and I think, the level of "sensitivity" doesn't seem to be in line with the amount of criticism. But lets face it, we aren't going to agree on that anyway and I certainly wouldn't want to stop somebody getting a bit of kick from looking down on others. No need to derail the thread, lets see with what simply-something will come up with tomorrow to bump it.
I think he should. I don’t really get all the rules about what should constitute legend status. It depends where the club is at, realistic expectation levels. Bruno won't have the silverware of other legends but his endurance during a type of spell few United captains have experienced counts.
On the flip side the criticism of him on this forum and by pundits is some of the strangest stuff I've seen.
Gary Nev suggesting he asked to come off vs Liverpool. Outrageous really. Probably the worst thing you can say about another professional. He should be called out on that. Got away with it far too lightly. Same with Keane calling him an imposter.
On the flip side the criticism of him on this forum and by pundits is some of the strangest stuff I've seen.
Gary Nev suggesting he asked to come off vs Liverpool. Outrageous really. Probably the worst thing you can say about another professional. He should be called out on that. Got away with it far too lightly. Same with Keane calling him an imposter.
I strongly believe that led to a lot of the fans who dislike Bruno having the opinions they do. I think it was Jeppers, who got banned, who would regularly resort to that when arguing the toss over Bruno in his performance thread. Like he simply couldn’t let go of the 7-0 and Neville’s accusation no matter how well Bruno played.
Looking at his extraordinary stamina and how he remained "injury free" throughout his career, it seems like he can play for us for another 3 years easily. He is a specimen in that regard. As for the legend status he's already a legend in my eyes for sticking through everything. Yes he has weaknesses but we've seen it time and time again how toothless we were without him up front. I just hope he can win more trophies before calling it a day. Europa league is hopefully the start of something big in the next few seasons... finger crossed.
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Charlton
Best
Law
Cantona
Keane
Scholes
That is all
Charlton
Best
Law
Cantona
Keane
Scholes
That is all
Not Giggs? Rooney?
Disagree. Rooney should be in there. Whiteside. Robson. And probably several more.
Nope
Along with George Best and Bobby Charlton? Norman Whiteside?
McClair was probably not far off Robson in fan perception at the time. If anything, McClair was probably as important to that early Fergie success. He became a squad/utility player for his last 5 years which has influenced perception of him 30 years later. He was an outstanding forward for us until 93ish.
I'd add Solskjaer to that list but I don't think you're a million miles off.
Yep, I'd have Whiteside as a legend. Not as significant for the club at the others obviously but I'd have him down as a legend. I'm amazed you're not including Rooney or Robson
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It’s clearly not all! As others have pointed out Giggs, our all time appearance holder and most decorated player, and Rooney our all time top goal scorer. That’s not even subjective. There are numerous others.
Neville never retracted this either. There should have been more pressure from the club to call him out on this, but unfortunately it was open season in the immediate aftermath of the 7-0. Neville gets a lot of unfair stick in my opinion but this was one of his comments that was way out of line.
Keane is an angry bitter man when talking about United. He still hasn't forgiven the club for the way things ended 20 years ago. I take everything he says with a pinch of salt. He saw Bruno getting his name sung by the fans vs Leicester and he just seemed to snap on The Overlap a few days later.
There's a good case to be made for Giggs but longevity isn't it.
Rooney was striker for the top club in England for 15 years. Being top scorer should really have been a prerequisite.
Are you actually arguing Rooney isn't a United legend?
Barring Keane, those mentioned are in the upper echelons of legendary status. There are many you've missed who are still United legends. Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs, Neville, Ferdinand, Van der Sar, Solskjaer, Irwin, Schmeichel, Robson, Hughes - just to name a few in the last 30 years.
Come on man.
Good list but no way Keane and Scholes make it over Robson and Rooney
Always hard to know where to draw a line tbf
Hilarious. I can only assume this is a piss take or you didn't put all the names
Just leaving our Giggs and Rooney is ridiculous