In the Premier League without penalties,Brunos goals and assists are a lot better than Giggs and Scholes ever had - and they actually had decent players around them. He already has that as far as I am concerned
Whatever about Giggs being a dickhead, he's up there with Charlton as our biggest all time legends.Nope
Why are you removing penalties?In the Premier League without penalties,
Giggs had a goal or an assist every 170 minutes, he played 46450 minutes
Bruno has a goal or an assist every 184 minutes, he played 16622 minutes
Scholes had a goal or an assist every 214 minutes, he played 36098 minutes
That's not a lot better. Giggs' record is insane considering he started as a teenager and retired at 40.
Well even if you remove his penalties - Giggs over his long career had Cantona, Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Scholes, Rooney, Ronaldo etc to aim his passes at while playing for the best team in the P.L - Bruno ... well...enough said. So I am not trying to diminish Giggs or Scholes' career - or saying that Bruno is better, but if you look at stats alone - Bruno's impress me more than Giggs and Scholes.In the Premier League without penalties,
Giggs had a goal or an assist every 170 minutes, he played 46450 minutes
Bruno has a goal or an assist every 184 minutes, he played 16622 minutes
Scholes had a goal or an assist every 214 minutes, he played 36098 minutes
That's not a lot better. Giggs' record is insane considering he started as a teenager and retired at 40.
At the same time, Bruno has been the only creative outlet at United over the last few years, where the ball has to go through him. That was never the case during Giggs' days, yet he was involved in a huge number of goals. While we're providing context, we're also ignoring that Scholes played far from the goal for a significant part of his career. Anyway, my main point of contention is that Bruno's stats are a lot better than theirs, which is not factual.Well even if you remove his penalties - Giggs over his long career had Cantona, Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Scholes, Rooney, Ronaldo etc to aim his passes at while playing for the best team in the P.L - Bruno ... well...enough said. So I am not trying to diminish Giggs or Scholes' career - or saying that Bruno is better, but if you look at stats alone - Bruno's impress me more than Giggs and Scholes.
In the Premier League without penalties,
Giggs had a goal or an assist every 170 minutes, he played 46450 minutes
Bruno has a goal or an assist every 184 minutes, he played 16622 minutes
Scholes had a goal or an assist every 214 minutes, he played 36098 minutes
That's not a lot better. Giggs' record is insane considering he started as a teenager and retired at 40.
But they are, aren't they? You just removed penalties to suit your narrative.At the same time, Bruno has been the only creative outlet at United over the last few years, where the ball has to go through him. That was never the case during Giggs' days, yet he was involved in a huge number of goals. While we're providing context, we're also ignoring that Scholes played far from the goal for a significant part of his career. Anyway, my main point of contention is that Bruno's stats are a lot better than theirs, which is not factual.
No and his performance today was a hallmark of his influence for United.
The only players in the modern era that can qualify as legends will be those who were managed by SAF. Because they were so accustomed to the pressure they performed in the largest stages. Bruno isn't the biggest issue by a long shot but he's not in the same conversation as your Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Ferdinand etc.
he couldn't make a pass tonight past the first defender.Realise there's a lot of heat coming Bruno's way now, but I don't think he's been helped by Amorim tonight... He needed to make changes and push Bruno further forward, get him influencing the game more.
He still shouldn't be played as CM in games where we are expected to lose the physical midfield battle. Going into the game with him and Casemiro set both of them up to fail from my perspective. There are games where he can play there and to be honest, the way the game shaped up when we pushed them back was one for Bruno but it always comes at a risk or cost and today, we had to pay it.he couldn't make a pass tonight past the first defender.
Most likely thisIn 10 years time no one will even remember him
I mean he stays next year and Amorim leads this group to relegation in sure he'll be famous then ha.In 10 years time no one will even remember him
Like the two goals in the semis and the massive penalty in extra time of the quarters?That’s my finish with him. He can score and assist for fun in games that don’t count but when the chips are down he’s nowhere to be seen.
I'm not sure he starts in any games with rooney around. Same as when Eric was here.Debatable whether he’s a legend - each to their own, but I think in his pomp, he starts in every Fergie side bar maybe the ‘99 team.
Give him a functioning team and his output would be even better than what it is now. Too much pressure on him to produce game on game without a focal point for him to aim for.
He doesn't start for the CL winning side of 08.Debatable whether he’s a legend - each to their own, but I think in his pomp, he starts in every Fergie side bar maybe the ‘99 team.
Give him a functioning team and his output would be even better than what it is now. Too much pressure on him to produce game on game without a focal point for him to aim for.
Seems kind of odd to single out one of the best players as one of the problems, don’t you think?At some point as the situation around Bruno continues to be shit regardless of what manager is here you have to start putting some blame on the captain/supposed talisman. Not like we are talking slight under achieving this shit is getting worse and worse. Talking of him ever being a legend is fecking ridiculous considering the achievements of those who have come before him
Seems kind of odd to not hold the captain accountable, don't you think?Seems kind of odd to single out one of the best players as one of the problems, don’t you think?
Didn't remember him playing this match even. Pathetic performance when it mattered most.In 10 years time no one will even remember him
I agree he had a poor game, but he’s quite far down the list of issues at the club, for me.Seems kind of odd to not hold the captain accountable, don't you think?
Did you watch this game man? Biggest game of the season and he looked like a fecking kid playing fifa clubs fecking around out there. We really talking club legend out here for this man?
Dude. Look at the fecking league table. He's been there all season for the club. It's been an ok Europa league run yes. This thread is will he be a legend at united. Only someone who has followed united for under 5 years would have the audacity to put him in the same group as some of the actual legends who have been hereI agree he had a poor game, but he’s quite far down the list of issues at the club, for me.
In fairness, I wasn’t necessarily saying he was a ‘legend’. More just responding to your post that seemed to be calling him out as an outright problem.Dude. Look at the fecking league table. He's been there all season for the club. It's been an ok Europa league run yes. This thread is will he be a legend at united. Only someone who has followed united for under 5 years would have the audacity to put him in the same group as some of the actual legends who have been here
Aight fair enough. Honestly I'm too pissed to even care after these players put forth that shit show out thereIn fairness, I wasn’t necessarily saying he was a ‘legend’. More just responding to your post that seemed to be calling him out as an outright problem.
I get it. That was rough.Aight fair enough. Honestly I'm too pissed to even care after these players put forth that shit show out there
