Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?

LeonDion said:
Way too much credit given for what was spell of good form. He’s capable of being fantastic but is not actually fantastic. Hes gunslinger. On a good day he’s great on a bad day, way too often particularly big games, he’s a colossal mess.

Last night was worst player on pitch and was individually to blame for defeat. In cup final that meant everything.

There’s been some terrible takes in here, comparisons to Robson, Scholes, Giggs et al. Wow. Imagine Robson dropping that performance in any game? No you can’t. Imagine Robbo dropping that in biggest game? It never happened. Sadly for Bruno this is regular. Every season you find half of it at least looks like that.

He’s nowhere near legend.
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Hahahaha you couldn't wait to come in here could you?! Are you pleased we lost so you could wade into Bruno?!

Do you really believe he was the worst player in the pitch?
 
There's a unique strain of delusion about Bruno Fernandes on Red Cafe and I have never understood it. He has never been anywhere near legendary status for Manchester United and he will never be. Even if we won that trophy tonight. What a joke. To even mention his name alongside the word "legend" is an insult to the actual legends who have played for the club.
 
lysglimt said:
Well even if you remove his penalties - Giggs over his long career had Cantona, Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Scholes, Rooney, Ronaldo etc to aim his passes at while playing for the best team in the P.L - Bruno ... well...enough said. So I am not trying to diminish Giggs or Scholes' career - or saying that Bruno is better, but if you look at stats alone - Bruno's impress me more than Giggs and Scholes.
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This is the problem with stats
 
He should leave, he's done his best. He deserves to get a wage hike in Saudi Arabia. I don't think there is anything more he can achieve here he will just be repeating the same story.
 
Could tell after about 15 mins it was gonna be one his being a tart games,clutching his face every challenge and constantly moaning at the ref instead of getting on with it and trying to drag us through,but one thing I can't blame him for is being played in the wrong position in this game against a midfield stacked with power etc that's on the fraud manager.
 
Scandi Red said:
Some predictable knee-jerk reactions in here.
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Legend status is not gained over 3 months of good form…those posts that said he was legend because of playing well in Feb, March and April in team near relegation and in Europa league where four penalties led to him being considered god like…were knee jerk.

Consideration should have been made to context of season. All well and good turning up when league is already done, did same last year. All well and good being Europa league legend.

But when it really matters he was a let down again. First half of seasons typically poor, Cup finals 4 out of 5 has been somewhere between meh and atrocious.

Knee jerk is compare to Bryan Robson. Robson turned up when it mattered. Over and over again. He never did THAT in cup final.
 
Kwabs said:
This is the problem with stats
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Is it now ? Let me ask you a question - if Bruno had a player with the qualities Salah, a Haaland or an Isak ahead of him (and just ONE such player) - like Scholes and Giggs had their entire careers - how many extra goals and assists do you think he would have this season ?

10-15 ?
 
lysglimt said:
Is it now ? Let me ask you a question - if Bruno had a player with the qualities Salah, a Haaland or an Isak ahead of him (and just ONE such player) - like Scholes and Giggs had their entire careers - how many extra goals and assists do you think he would have this season ?

10-15 ?
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No point in speculating. He is where he is and playing with who he's playing with. Look who he's surrounded with at Portugal, are his G/A stats way better than for United? No. So you can't assume anything.

I'm just trying to point out that adding up goal contribution stats is a flawed way of determining a player's overall worth. There's many more factors to consider. So I don't think it helps to say that his are better than Giggs's or Scholes's or whoever. Different eras, and what makes them good is not just goals and assists, far from it.
 
Yes, and if the club want to sell him to Saudi for big bucks then do it, as long as the money is invested back into the squad..
Imo I think he has to leave if big money comes in
 
As Johnny said in Cyberpunk. Wrong city, wrong people. Or in case of Bruno, wrong club, wrong time.
 
Doubtful because he hasn't won the PL or CL at United.

I think to be considered a legend you have to win the PL or CL.
 
Eric Cantona = Legendary

Bruno doesn't even come close. As attacking midfielders go, he is the standard all United fans should be looking to when deciding on who should, or should not be legendary.
 
LeonDion said:
Last night was worst player on pitch and was individually to blame for defeat.
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Thanks, I needed a football related laugh.
Mount did basically nothing all match, Onana did Onana things, Shaw scored an own goal, Dorgu looked like a lamb in the headlights and Hojlund may as well have been asleep. Not saying he did great or even that much better than any of them, but to say he was the worst player and "individually to blame for defeat" is a bit of and overstatement.
 
Feck no. He was abysmal yesterday. Yesterday was a day where legends could be made.
 
lysglimt said:
Is it now ? Let me ask you a question - if Bruno had a player with the qualities Salah, a Haaland or an Isak ahead of him (and just ONE such player) - like Scholes and Giggs had their entire careers - how many extra goals and assists do you think he would have this season ?

10-15 ?
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Bruno plays as a 10. Scholes played in midfield and when was a 10 was miles better then Bruno in that position. Giggs was a winger. So maybe compare stats with rooney.
 
lysglimt said:
Well even if you remove his penalties - Giggs over his long career had Cantona, Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Scholes, Rooney, Ronaldo etc to aim his passes at while playing for the best team in the P.L - Bruno ... well...enough said. So I am not trying to diminish Giggs or Scholes' career - or saying that Bruno is better, but if you look at stats alone - Bruno's impress me more than Giggs and Scholes.
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Not really when you consider giggs was a out and out winger and scholes was a midfielder. Bruno is a 10. He should be the most involved. It just shows you how impressive Giggs career was as he has better stats as a winger. Didn't take penalties.
 
lysglimt said:
Is it now ? Let me ask you a question - if Bruno had a player with the qualities Salah, a Haaland or an Isak ahead of him (and just ONE such player) - like Scholes and Giggs had their entire careers - how many extra goals and assists do you think he would have this season ?

10-15 ?
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Extra goals and assists? Probably -1

he wouldn’t be on penalties if he was playing in them teams
 
Legendary status is created by winning big trophies. Whilst Bruno has been decent and won a few of the lesser cups, he doesn’t deserve legendary status imho.
 
Pughnichi said:
I didn’t mention anyone

Another poster said if Bruno was playing in better teams
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Ah yes you didn't, sorry. The person you were replying to did:

lysglimt said:
Is it now ? Let me ask you a question - if Bruno had a player with the qualities Salah, a Haaland or an Isak ahead of him (and just ONE such player) - like Scholes and Giggs had their entire careers - how many extra goals and assists do you think he would have this season ?

10-15 ?
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And Bruno gets pens ahead of Salah, haaland and isak.
 
All my years of loving and supporting Manchester United and I'm yet to see a player as overrated as this guy.

He has been grinding out stats all season against crap opposition's and poor against actually good teams except for Liverpool away.
Last night he was poor against spurs but no Pogba here to take the blame unlike against Villareal.

He's arguably been poor home and away this season against Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton, forest, crystal palace, wolves, westham, Chelsea, Tottenham and Newcastle while being rubbish at home to Liverpool and away at Arsenal.

I don't know how anyone can put this guy in same conversation with Cantona and Rooney. sometimes when certain posters in this forum talk about him it's like I'm watching a different player.

Hopefully the "Stats Ponzi scheme" he's been running in this club in the last 6 year's comes to an end soon because I don't know how much I can take from this guy and his fans on here.
 
Sometimes think people love complaining more about their players for not being Messi 2.0 than actually supporting the team.

However, after last night, unless a team he is in manages to win something of significance or re-establish themselves as title challengers it will be hard to argue in favour.

With that said, in supporting United for 30 years, he is probably my favourite player because he has committed to and produced for this club in his peak years when we have been so painfully below his level and for me at least, I value that more than being a superstar in a team of superstars managed by one of the GOATs of management.

He was properly off it last night and that is bitterly disappointing, but people are forgetting the last 2 cup finals he did turn up for, including a derby cup final win - So I am not having "he doesn't turn up in the big matches".
 
Quinton's_Fortune said:
Sometimes think people love complaining more about their players for not being Messi 2.0 than actually supporting the team.

However, after last night, unless a team he is in manages to win something of significance or re-establish themselves as title challengers it will be hard to argue in favour.

With that said, in supporting United for 30 years, he is probably my favourite player because he has committed to and produced for this club in his peak years when we have been so painfully below his level and for me at least, I value that more than being a superstar in a team of superstars managed by one of the GOATs of management.

He was properly off it last night and that is bitterly disappointing, but people are forgetting the last 2 cup finals he did turn up for, including a derby cup final win - So I am not having "he doesn't turn up in the big matches".
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Man if you could find, and bottle the solution to why some of the most clearly talented players have random dips on major stages, you'd be a billionaire. I think it's one of the things that intrigues us about football. It's not just about the game, but the psychology of each player.
 
Without doubt a very talented player, arguably world class. Not suited as captain.

Biggest issue… can’t think of a Utd legend who’s widely renown as a whinging, cheating, crybaby not to mention all the dramatics etc

Would need a PL or CL title to be considered and that ship has long gone sailed.
 
we need to sell him for 100m to get that money, he doesnt even fit into the 3-4-3 system
 
He was off his game last night, SHOULDN'T have been played at CM, but alas, it's done now.

However, during a really tragic era he's been one of the only players that can hold his head up high. Without him we'd have been much worse off than we were. It feels like De Gea during those prime years, we were absolutely dire and without his intervention we'd have been much much worse off than we were. Same with Bruno for me, he achieves legendary status for the simple fact that without him bailing our ass our the many times that he has, we'd have been god knows where, scary to think about actually.
 
Many don't consider De Gea a legend of the club. Bruno achieved less than him (and I'd argue has been less influential, prime De Gea was the best keeper in the world) so no chance he's a legend if he leaves now without winning any major trophies. We at least won the europe league in 16/17
 
Turnip said:
Thanks, I needed a football related laugh.
Mount did basically nothing all match, Onana did Onana things, Shaw scored an own goal, Dorgu looked like a lamb in the headlights and Hojlund may as well have been asleep. Not saying he did great or even that much better than any of them, but to say he was the worst player and "individually to blame for defeat" is a bit of and overstatement.
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He did worse than all of them, sometimes what you do can be that poor that doing nothing would be better.

Better than losing possession 27 times and carrying 68% possession.

Onana had nothing to do beside goal, literally
Mount did little and was therefore ineffective
Hojlund ditto
Shaw was poor…but I wasn’t aware we lost 2-0
Dorgu did his job ok

Bruno was atrocious. Culminating in him giving the ball to Spurs for the second time in succession leading to Brennan Johnson’s goal. Other than that spent the night diving, moaning and whinging. But it was what he did with ball that marked him out as special last night.
 
He has been a talented player for the club.

He has been a professional player and had an excellent work ethic for the club.

He has played some incredible matches for the club.

He has been a great servant to the club and it's fans too.

But he's not going to have achieved "Legend" status for me. Very few players do.

You have to completely change the way the club plays....win trophies by your own herculean effort against the odds.... be a total revolutionary in how the game is played...or achieve the highest of honours to achieve legend status in my eyes.

The word "Legend" has increasingly been used as a replacement for "Famous" or "high profile". Bruno has come closer to it than others, but hasn't reached the high water mark for me.
 
I've been a massive critic, but this season he's won me over.

Definitely deserves to be remembered as a legend in my book.
 
I think, he'll be looked at even more fondly in a few years when more information gets revealed about the circus.

I've also argued that he has the ability and personality to have thrived in any great United team. He certainly would have been outstanding in the later Fergie years.
 
Just saw the "Bruno Fernandes appreciation thread" pop up but I'm not going to spoil it for those supporting his decision to stay.

Credit to his dedication to the club, but I can't really in good conscience put someone who captained our club in some of our most embarrassing moments we've had here (7-0, losing European final to Spurs) to be a club legend.

If he leads us to a major honor like PL or CL then the story changes, but that seems more like pie in the sky for us at the moment, and even more so for him.
 
Winrar said:
Credit to his dedication to the club, but I can't really in good conscience put someone who captained our club in some of our most embarrassing moments we've had here (7-0, losing European final to Spurs) to be a club legend.

If he leads us to a major honor like PL or CL then the story changes, but that seems more like pie in the sky for us at the moment, and even more so for him.
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Had Rooney played with us during shit times, people like you would probably have said the same.

Legends should be measured on what they give (within what’s possible) + their behavior. Solskjær is another good example. Almost every big player would have gone by now.
 
Winrar said:
Credit to his dedication to the club, but I can't really in good conscience put someone who captained our club in some of our most embarrassing moments we've had here (7-0, losing European final to Spurs) to be a club legend.
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Each to their own, but I don't think it's fair to let a couple of embarrassing results for the club stain one player's legendary status. Just look at some of the names who featured in the 6-1 loss to City.
 
I considered him a legend in the making even before this season. Now there can be no doubt.

- 38 G+A
- Sir Matt Busby POTY (4th time!)
- Players' POTY
- Most chances created in the league (and Europe?)
- Most ball recoveries in the league
- All the brilliant stuff off the pitch


... and now he's declining an absolutely absurd Saudi contract. What a man!
 
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