Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?

Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
His assists per 90 is above Son, Andy Cole and Ashley Young. He is 8th on the list of most assists per 90. The 7 players ahead of him all played in title winning teams.
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Yep, he's tied with Beckham and Giggs when it comes to per 90 stats which is very good obviously. Giggs did it over a way longer period of course which is amazing. His total of 163 will never be beaten. He also had ups and downs in his career just like Bruno.
 
Olecurls99 said:
This season yes, but all time he's behind Son, Andy Cole and Ashley Young. Bruno has 69 total pl assists and he has a long way to go to catch KDB on 117.
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Put Bruno in city’s team over the past few years and he beats KDB easily. Bruno’s had no striker for years and always tops the chances created chart.
 
DJ_21 said:
Put Bruno in city’s team over the past few years and he beats KDB easily. Bruno’s had no striker for years and always tops the chances created chart.
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I suppose you could say the same about Le Tissier, Di Canio, Eriksen. Bruno is up there with all of them.
 
Olecurls99 said:
I suppose you could say the same about Le Tissier, Di Canio, Eriksen. Bruno is up there with all of them.
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Ye the point is, Bruno doesn’t get the credit he deserves. He’s playing in a team that’s been through a lot of managers and changes. He’s had no ST to assist regularly, and yet he still comes out on top for chances created
 
DJ_21 said:
Ye the point is, Bruno doesn’t get the credit he deserves. He’s playing in a team that’s been through a lot of managers and changes. He’s had no ST to assist regularly, and yet he still comes out on top for chances created
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I find the chances created stat a bit bogus.

If a player beats 3 men and plays a beautiful cross right between the goalie and centre halves but the striker doesn't make the run, it's not a chance according to the statisticians. But if I pass the ball to my teammate 30 yards from goal and he has a ding I've created a chance. It's a bit of a silly stat.
 
Olecurls99 said:
I find the chances created stat a bit bogus.

If a player beats 3 men and plays a beautiful cross right between the goalie and centre halves but the striker doesn't make the run, it's not a chance according to the statisticians. But if I pass the ball to my teammate 30 yards from goal and he has a ding I've created a chance. It's a bit of a silly stat.
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Most players can‘t see or land those 30 yard passes. Bruno can and that‘s why he is top in created chances.
 
It’s a shame he isn’t playing in a better United side that’s winning things because that’s the only thing holding him back, the trophies thing!
 
DJ_21 said:
Put Bruno in city’s team over the past few years and he beats KDB easily
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This keeps getting mentioned but it's just wishful thinking. KDB is probably the most creative player in the history of the league, and it's not because of Haaland.

Love how you added "easily" there too
 
Trigestis said:
This keeps getting mentioned but it's just wishful thinking. KDB is probably the most creative player in the history of the league, and it's not because of Haaland.

Love how you added "easily" there too
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Yet Bruno is more effective in a team. He also puts up numbers every single season. He’s more consistent… he’s never injured.
 
Trigestis said:
This keeps getting mentioned but it's just wishful thinking. Bruno is probably the most creative player in the history of the league.
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Look I fixed that for you!

Bruno creates more chances than De Bruyne. And if you factor in City‘s cheating, it makes Bruno even more impressive. He‘s fantastic.
 
Already a legend for me, this season has sealed it. Into his 3rd season as captain, asked to fill in at centre mid and arguably actually stepped up a level in his game without really losing much in attack. Led the side fantastically well this year, team spirit seems good and the young players have contributed whenever they've been called upon. Unlucky to have had some pretty shite coaches in his time here, some pretty cnutish teammates, but still won plenty of trophies in the scheme of things. I hope he can stay for at least a couple more years and win the league title he deserves.
 
duffer said:
From who? Everyone says he's great, don't they?
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Lots of United fans and non-United fans have complained about him almost constantly during his time here, certainly post that first season or two where he couldn't stop scoring. There was this weird myth (founded in a tiny grain of truth in that he tried to do too much himself and force things because he didn't trust his teammates) that the team would suddenly magically go up a level if he left. Luckily Jim and Amorim, prats though we may think them, seemed to thoroughly disagree and he has stayed.
 
Yah, he’s there already, change the thread title. But what about Garnacho?
 
DJ_21 said:
Yet Bruno is more effective in a team. He also puts up numbers every single season. He’s more consistent… he’s never injured.
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Just not true.

Goals and assists per 90

Year KDB Bruno
15-16 0.72.
16-17 0.72
17-18 0.70
18-19 0.37
19-20 1.06. 1.14
20-21 0.81. 0.87
21-22 0.94. 0.46
22-23 0.86. 0.43. Haaland joins here
23-24 1.03. 0.52
24-25 0.58 0.54
25-26. 0.90

De Bruyne displays an amazing high level over 11 seasons with a last season wind down and an injury season in 18-19

Bruno starts with De Bruyne numbers for 18 months then his productivity halves for 4 seasons, and this year he has returned to KDB form
 
Olecurls99 said:
Just not true.

Goals and assists per 90

Year KDB Bruno
15-16 0.72.
16-17 0.72
17-18 0.70
18-19 0.37
19-20 1.06. 1.14
20-21 0.81. 0.87
21-22 0.94. 0.46
22-23 0.86. 0.43. Haaland joins here
23-24 1.03. 0.52
24-25 0.58 0.54
25-26. 0.90

De Bruyne displays an amazing high level over 11 seasons with a last season wind down and an injury season in 18-19

Bruno starts with De Bruyne numbers for 18 months then his productivity halves for 4 seasons, and this year he has returned to KDB form
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Trying to reignite the argument from the other thread in here?!
 
It's ok to not be as good as Kevin De Bruyne, and I'm not sure it has any bearings on the question asked in the thread title.
 
antk said:
It's ok to not be as good as Kevin De Bruyne, and I'm not sure it has any bearings on the question asked in the thread title.
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Well said. I think they're pretty close but can see reasons why folks would prefer one or the other, but it certainly has no bearing on Bruno's status within the club and its history. He's a legend as far as I'm concerned.
 
As much as some don't rate Bruno and DDG, I view both of them as Legends for this club. Their contributions throughout the past years are too easily overlooked and understated.
 
Jund said:
As much as some don't rate Bruno and DDG, I view both of them as Legends for this club. Their contributions throughout the past years are too easily overlooked and understated.
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I agree on DDG too.

The only argument against Bruno being a legend is lack of titles, and that argument is shit.
 
I'm not sure there's anything that defines what a legend is or isn't but depressingly predictable people are citing goals and assist stats. Prominent in every discussion about club legends is their xG. It's an emotive subject. You either consider someone to be a club legend or you don't. Opinions and feelings towards a player decide that. Not looking at a stat sheet and deciding that based on the % of aerial duals won you have to concede that you consider a player you were otherwise indifferent to, is a club legend.

Legend/icon/great. How you feel about a player and their achievements and impact on the club and/or their cultural influence decide these things. Not how many open play assists they got against the top 6 over a period of 4 years excluding cup games. That does the impressive job of cheapening something that started out as being pretty meaningless to begin with.

Legendary songs and artists are personal based on how you feel about them - with a hint of nostalgia thrown in. Nobody looks up the sales figures and declares that they consider a song to be an all time great because it outsold Boom Bang-a-Bang the week it was released. More emotive, undefined arguments are needed here. "Means nothing to me but it was number 1 for 4 weeks so definitely a legendary song".

Honestly, games gone.
 
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Olecurls99 said:
Just not true.

Goals and assists per 90

Year KDB Bruno
15-16 0.72.
16-17 0.72
17-18 0.70
18-19 0.37
19-20 1.06. 1.14
20-21 0.81. 0.87
21-22 0.94. 0.46
22-23 0.86. 0.43. Haaland joins here
23-24 1.03. 0.52
24-25 0.58 0.54
25-26. 0.90

De Bruyne displays an amazing high level over 11 seasons with a last season wind down and an injury season in 18-19

Bruno starts with De Bruyne numbers for 18 months then his productivity halves for 4 seasons, and this year he has returned to KDB form
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Bruno tops De Bruyne in created chances and created big chances in almost every season, which is a better stat to use since De Bruyne played in a better team (in a team assembled by cheating no less).

You don‘t want to use those stats because they don‘t support your ‚argument‘.

There‘s no big dip in Bruno‘s level throughout these seasons in terms of creation. He is by far the best creator we‘ve seen in the last decade.

De Bruyne is a great player, but Bruno may be even better. A true legend!
 
Is there a definitive line that a player must cross or are there differing grades of “legendary”.

I saw David May being referred to as a legend only a few days ago.

Whatever. Bruno will definitely be remembered fondly. Time will tell.
 
Denis' cuff said:
Is there a definitive line that a player must cross or are there differing grades of “legendary”.

I saw David May being referred to as a legend only a few days ago.

Whatever. Bruno will definitely be remembered fondly. Time will tell.
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Winning titles helps, unfortunately for Bruno we haven‘t been strong enough to get close to winning one.

Maybe, just maybe next season if we recruit really well. I don‘t have high hopes though, because we need 4-5 good players. That maybe difficult to pull off.
 
NLunited said:
Bruno tops De Bruyne in created chances and created big chances in almost every season, which is a better stat to use since De Bruyne played in a better team (in a team assembled by cheating no less).

You don‘t want to use those stats because they don‘t support your ‚argument‘.

There‘s no big dip in Bruno‘s level throughout these seasons in terms of creation. He is by far the best creator we‘ve seen in the last decade.

De Bruyne is a great player, but Bruno may be even better. A true legend!
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What is the difference between chance created and big chance created?

The first seems to be any pass leading to a shot on goal (which isn't so useful), but wonder what the "big" chance created differentiation is?
 
AFIABM said:
What is the difference between chance created and big chance created?

The first seems to be any pass leading to a shot on goal (which isn't so useful), but wonder what the "big" chance created differentiation is?
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I don‘t know how they differentiate between the two. I imagine an xG higher than a certain number could be used to do that.
 
I had given up my dream of going pro, but after reading these threads I might reconsider my decision. Apparently I can just close my eyes and kick the ball up the pitch. If I do this every game then I will top the chance creation stats year after year and eventually I might even break assist records. Football has been solved!
 
Scandi Red said:
I had given up my dream of going pro, but after reading these threads I might reconsider my decision. Apparently I can just close my eyes and kick the ball up the pitch. If I do this every game then I will top the chance creation stats year after year and eventually I might even break assist records. Football has been solved!
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With your eyes open, you‘d probably feck it up.
 
When you look at United's greatest players, arguably only two sit outside the Busby and Ferguson eras - Bryan Robson (in his peak years) and Bruno. He's definitely at a similar level to someone like Beckham or Scholes, he just doesn't have the trophies to show for it.
 
DJ_21 said:
Ye the point is, Bruno doesn’t get the credit he deserves. He’s playing in a team that’s been through a lot of managers and changes. He’s had no ST to assist regularly, and yet he still comes out on top for chances created
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Bruno is good don't get me wrong but chances created is a bit skewed by the fact that we are organized for years so that most of our attacking play goes through him (as he probably has the best final ball delivery) he is also vocal runs towards where the ball is and demands the ball so like it or not most of our attacking play goes through him. He takes free kicks, corners and penalties so yeah it is kind of obvious that he will have high percentage of contributions.

Of course we currently also don't have any player to take the burden off Bruno in creative department.

Maybe in a similar way is Madrid better team with Mbappe in it or without it? When Mbappe plays he has high goal contributions (he demands involvement in attacking plays). But when he doesn't play maybe the team as a sum is better?
 
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