Took him what, like five years to pass legend Paul Scholes in assists, that with Scholes playing like 16 years.Imagine Bruno playing behind Van Persie
Soon comrade. Soon.Not quite there yet as a former player, but Sancho is definite member
Without being the main man you won‘t be a record creator. That goes without saying.Bruno is good don't get me wrong but chances created is a bit skewed by the fact that we are organized for years so that most of our attacking play goes through him (as he probably has the best final ball delivery) he is also vocal runs towards where the ball is and demands the ball so like it or not most of our attacking play goes through him. He takes free kicks, corners and penalties so yeah it is kind of obvious that he will have high percentage of contributions.
Of course we currently also don't have any player to take the burden off Bruno in creative department.
Maybe in a similar way is Madrid better team with Mbappe in it or without it? When Mbappe plays he has high goal contributions (he demands involvement in attacking plays). But when he doesn't play maybe the team as a sum is better?
What does this even mean..? is de Bruyne cheating on the pitch? Why would that have any relation to Bruno's performances, any way? Weird comment.Look I fixed that for you!
Bruno creates more chances than De Bruyne. And if you factor in City‘s cheating, it makes Bruno even more impressive. He‘s fantastic.
No, he doesn't. And in the seasons he does, it is by one big chance created difference, despite playing a ton more minutes. If a striker scores 15 goals in 15 games, and another scores 18 in 38 games, you don't say that the latter is a better goal scorer.Bruno tops De Bruyne in created chances and created big chances in almost every season, which is a better stat to use since De Bruyne played in a better team (in a team assembled by cheating no less).
You don‘t want to use those stats because they don‘t support your ‚argument‘.
There‘s no big dip in Bruno‘s level throughout these seasons in terms of creation. He is by far the best creator we‘ve seen in the last decade.
De Bruyne is a great player, but Bruno may be even better. A true legend!
Your stats are right on. But where would De Bruyne have been without Cheaty FC? We can‘t answer that question, but before City De Bruyne created a lot less.What does this even mean..? is de Bruyne cheating on the pitch? Why would that have any relation to Bruno's performances, any way? Weird comment.
He doesn't create more, he plays more. If you measure creativity by the time you're on the pitch, there's not a single season where Bruno has created more chances per 90 than KdB.
KDB/Bruno;
19/20: 4,4 / 2.3
20/21: 3.6 / 2.8
21/22: 3.6 / 2.6
22/23: 3.6 / 3.2
23/24: 4.3 / 3.3
24/25: 3.0 / 2.7
KDB is objectively more creative, by quite some margin, that doesn't mean Bruno isn't close. Some of you always take it so personal when fans think KDB is a better player. He is widely considered one of the greatest PL midfielders in the history for a reason.
No, he doesn't. And in the seasons he does, it is by one big chance created difference, despite playing a ton more minutes. If a striker scores 15 goals in 15 games, and another scores 18 in 38 games, you don't say that the latter is a better goal scorer.
By that logic some attacker who produces less than Bruno for a worse team could claim to be as good as him.Your stats are right on. But where would De Bruyne have been without Cheaty FC? We can‘t answer that question, but before City De Bruyne created a lot less.
It is absolutely valid to consider what team a player is in. De Bruyne was challenging for and winning titles while Bruno was playing in a mostly dysfunctional team.
My point is, De Bruyne‘s accomplishments should not be used to try to diminish Bruno‘s output. As it is, Bruno is on course to break De Bruyne’s assist record. That is special.
Stats can help to paint a picture. Used well they're a shorthand for people who don't have long memories.Where does the need to constantly compare players come from ffs? People will dive into all kind of stats and cherrypick the ones which favour their opinion to argue whether Bruno or KDB was the better/more impactful player..
Even if there was an objective manner to compare both players (minimizing circumstantial impact such as the teams/era they played in/against), why does it matter?
Does is diminish what Bruno has accomplished at United if KDB has slightly better stats? Does is make Bruno his status amongst the all time Utd greats bigger if he has slightly better stats than KDB?
Why is KDB relevant at all for the question in the thread title?
Stats can help to paint a picture. Used well they're a shorthand for people who don't have long memories.
If I asked you to describe Alan Shearer's brilliance, you would invariably mention his 260 goals.
It's not like it came out of nothing. The discussion developed like that and I quoted a poster who said Bruno would easily outperform KDB if he played for City. This is a forum for football discussions, after all.Ofcourse, but it doesnt matter how many goals Thierry Henry scored for Arsenal in a discussion whether Alan Shearer is a Newcastle all time great or not..
No, but if the top scorer for a club had scored 60 or 70 goals it might be worth highlighting that some guys have scored 260 and maybe 60 or 70 isn't hugely impressive in the grand scheme of things.Ofcourse, but it doesnt matter how many goals Thierry Henry scored for Arsenal in a discussion whether Alan Shearer is a Newcastle all time great or not..
I forgot that he’s also going to win the Sir Matt Busby POTY award for a record breaking 5th time. No way he’s not a legend at this point.
It would be nice for him to win POTY to at least somehow crown his achievements across the years. If he would get season assist record all the better. He is an elite creator. Someone mentioned how he passed Scholes assist record and how Scholes played with better players and couldn't do that. There is exactly the case why. Scholes didn't need to be the final ball passer all the time. Other players took over their share. And the team was better for it results wise. Scholes was able to orchestrate in the midfield, ping passes around distribute the play he didn't need to be the final ball passer all the time. Personal statistic also didn't matter so much. Now Bruno is everywhere on the pitch trying to make things happen because others don't because he is demanding and because he has quality and winners mentality. He will rightly go down as a United legend in a not really successful period for United but his personal statistic will eclipse many players from past more successful teams that played more cohesively and won more.He'll probably win players' POTY too.
Sitting down and looking at all the numbers, he's clearly a legend. And then there's like a million stories of how he's an excellent captain and human being off the pitch too.
He'll go down as one of my all time favorites for sure.
He doesn’t really need the help: he is flourishing in the free role he has.Club legend or not is up to you guys. With CL slot almost pocket and 5 games to go, it would be insane not to help/encourage him to break the PL record.
I really don't see how that should reflect on him, he's not in charge of hirings or recruitment.I like Bruno. Being a club legend? I would have to say no. Yes, he has done great for us, and although he has carried us sometimes, we haven't really won anything, and the club just hasn't improved from when he joined. I would like to think next season if he stays and we go for an elite manager, maybe just maybe this statement could change.
No, but if the top scorer for a club had scored 60 or 70 goals it might be worth highlighting that some guys have scored 260 and maybe 60 or 70 isn't hugely impressive in the grand scheme of things.
I dont think assists were tracked till relatively recently. Probably around the same time the premier league started. Just for context not to argue the point.Bruno is 4th all time for assists at United and 20th for goals scored. If you just look at Premier League he's 9th for goals scored. Its not really up for debate anymore imo.
The only thing working against him is the lack of trophies but it would be very harsh to hold that against him.
Martin BuchanAnother couple of years like this and he'll have it for me. The legend club should be difficult to get into. Best, Charlton, Keane, Schmeichel, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney and Cantona for me. I'm probably missing someone. Gary Neville is not a legendary anything.
I don't get the hate for Neville as a player, 8 x PL winner, 3 x FAC winner, 3 x EFL winner, and 2 x ECL winner says he isAnother couple of years like this and he'll have it for me. The legend club should be difficult to get into. Best, Charlton, Keane, Schmeichel, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney and Cantona for me. I'm probably missing someone. Gary Neville is not a legendary anything.
Are you talking only PL or overall first team?Bruno is 4th all time for assists at United and 20th for goals scored. If you just look at Premier League he's 9th for goals scored. Its not really up for debate anymore imo.
The only thing working against him is the lack of trophies but it would be very harsh to hold that against him.
It's true, he did play in great teams. He was a very good player who played in great teams. Nobody is disputing that. Not every player in a great team is a great player however, nor are they necessarily a legend.I don't get the hate for Neville as a player, 8 x PL winner, 3 x FAC winner, 3 x EFL winner, and 2 x ECL winner says he is
