Will Ronaldo ask to leave in the summer?

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It will be a disgrace if we make Ronaldo play Europa.
It will be a disgrace if Utd play in Europa. I don’t really give a feck about how Ronaldo feels.
 

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It will be a disgrace if we make Ronaldo play Europa.
It will be a disgrace if any members of the team play Europa League football, buy the way to obviate that is to make top 4. Ronaldo has to improve, as does the rest of the team.
 

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Some here care more about him.
Someone on here was saying he would be happy if Ronaldo scores and wins the league with City (when the Ronaldo was on the verge of signing for them before the last day of the transfer window), because Ronaldo "deserves success".
 

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He mentions something about having to destroy things in order to build new ones, so I think it must be something along those lines; like changing the mentalitym depart from the old ways and perhaps also a change in personnel.

I’d think the personnel one is the one he thinks he can’t mention for “ethical” reasons, the mentality one he actually explicitly says so it’s not that. So he’s basically saying “my teammates are shite” isn’t he.
 

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How many times he pointed with one way or another about players have to believe more!! between the lines it's very obvious that players mentality is not up to United standards. He knows what this club is all about but he and all of us sure enough that there are big conflicts at dressing room it seems and many players just steal a living here which he declared by saying " somethings have to be destroyed in order to build new ones ". I only think about what is going on on these players mind? is it Ole regime affected us to bad? spoiled players ? it's really frustrating the way things work at this club, but I believe when such terrible things come to the light and be somehow on public, maybe it's the first step to get it fixed once and for all!
 

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Put the ball at his feet and he will score. Put the Ball on his head and he will score.

His conversion ratio is amongst the best in the world, if not the best in the world.
He's basically Chicharito then? Offers nothing outside the box and the majority of his goals are 1 touch.
 

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He's saying what we already know. There is a crowd of overpaid cnuts in this club that needs to be got rid of.
 

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I am by no means a Ronaldo fanboy and I still harbor resentment from when he left us the first time, so if he were to leave I won't exactly be shedding tears. But, even I have to say I agree with everything he said there. He's one of the few who knows first hand what a Utd dressing room should look like and he's clearly alluding to two things in that interview. One, that Ole leaving did have a massive negative effect on the players. And two, that the club needs to get rid of some of the players in the dressing room if we want to get back to winning ways. To anyone who follows Utd with an impartial perspective, both these things have been clear in the last couple of months.

Personally, I don't think players like Ronaldo or Cavani are the issue at this club. They may not be what they were, but their mentalities are exactly what we require at this club.
 

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Put the ball at his feet and he will score. Put the Ball on his head and he will score.

His conversion ratio is amongst the best in the world, if not the best in the world.

it’s not Ronaldo, it’s his support. He is making the right runs. They are just not finding him because the majority of them lack the quality.

Has anybody got a completed passing stats for United?
His conversion rate actually isn't good.
 

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He gone come summer. Not surprising. He came to win and instead found himself surrounded by Sunday league players who think they are God's gift.
 

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Better than Messi this season surely?
Yes, but this isn't the Messi vs Ronaldo thread. He has the 2nd most shots after Salah and one of the lowest conversion rates of PL topscorers.
 

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Yeah of course he'll ask to leave.

We need a huge turnaround at this point, not in terms of points (because points-wise 4th and even 3rd is very much on) but performance. And with no winter signings it seems a Herculean task.

Only saving grace might be the Champions League, if our talented players have the correct attitude towards it and Ralf plays a blinder, mixed with a lot of luck, we might be able to fluke it Chelsea-style.
 

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Yes, but this isn't the Messi vs Ronaldo thread.
His numbers are similar to Mbappe, who himself has been saving PSG's arses this season, playing in a much stronger league in a weaker and disjointed team and inferior managers. So I'm curious how you thought that it actually isn't good.
 

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I imagine he wants to win another CL.

My guess is he goes to PSG to replace Mbappe so their owners can brag at parties about having him and Messi play together.
 

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His numbers are similar to Mbappe, who himself has been saving PSG's arses this season, playing in a much stronger league in a weaker and disjointed team and inferior managers. So I'm curious how you thought that it actually isn't good.
Mpabbe is in his prime and has a greater overall ability. Ronaldo stats looking decent on paper when you just looks at games/goals, however watching him play he's woefull unless he gets on the scoresheet.
 

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His numbers are similar to Mbappe, who himself has been saving PSG's arses this season, playing in a much stronger league in a weaker and disjointed team and inferior managers. So I'm curious how you thought that it actually isn't good.
Are suggesting 36 years Ronaldo, who can't dribble at all anymore, offers the same as young Mbappe?

Stats aren't everything.

If so Emmanuel Dennis > Cristiano
 

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Mpabbe is in his prime and has a greater overall ability. Ronaldo stats looking decent on paper when you just looks at games/goals, however watching him play he's woefull unless he gets on the scoresheet.
Even Lewandowski would look like half the player if he played in our team right now. I thought your standards must be crazy high if his conversion doesn't impress you, compared to PSG's best.
 

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He's saying what we already know. There is a crowd of overpaid cnuts in this club that needs to be got rid of.
Ronaldo himself is getting paid more than 400k per week, and has the same goals as Emmanuel Dennis (playing for a worse side) in PL.
 

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Get rid of the idiots we have in our squad.
I love how he's all "It's not ethical of me to say", while at the same time telling us the mentality of some players is awful.

Very subtle Ronnie
 

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Even if he wants to leace where can he go where he will get the wages he wants? There is literally nowhere for him to go other than a return to his boyhood club sporting or go to mls.
 

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His numbers are similar to Mbappe, who himself has been saving PSG's arses this season, playing in a much stronger league in a weaker and disjointed team and inferior managers. So I'm curious how you thought that it actually isn't good.
Ronaldo's shots to goals rate in the league is 14% which puts him in the bottom half for conversion rate in the league.
 

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Even Lewandowski would look like half the player if he played in our team right now. I thought your standards must be crazy high if his conversion doesn't impress you, compared to PSG's best.
Ronaldo's goal record in the CL is good, but he is also on the same tally of goals in the league as of emmanuel denis of Watford, who has fewer shots and a higher conversion rate. I agree our whole team is average this season. But no, I havnt been impressed when watching Ronaldo. In his previous game he made a back header that let 2 wolves players through on goal. He esssentially continues to be painfully average, but then if he manages to get a penalty or on the scoresheet the narrative becoomes about how awesome he is. I believe he's a valuable squad player, but whether he stays or not, I'm not overly bothered about. If you want a high pressing team, then old Ronnie is not your man.
 
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He gone come summer. Not surprising. He came to win and instead found himself surrounded by Sunday league players who think they are God's gift.
He came for the money too. If he wanted to just win I’m sure there would have been other options.
 

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Ronaldo himself is getting paid more than 400k per week, and has the same goals as Emmanuel Dennis (playing for a worse side) in PL.
What kind of chances do we create for our striker? How many crosses do we put in each game? When was the last time we scored from a corner
 

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What kind of chances do we create for our striker? How many crosses do we put in each game? When was the last time we scored from a corner
Could Ronaldo get better service? Definitely. But I believe that @troylocker did a detailed breakdown that Ronaldo does actually get a decent amount of chances in the PL and his conversion rate of those chances isn't good.
 

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Get rid of the idiots we have in our squad.
Idiots in terms of the off the pitch behaviour (briefing the press, not committed in training etc) or football IQ? To be fair they’ve been a bit cr*p at both aspects.
 

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Sorry, all, this will be a long post.
I'll explain how Ronaldo is the biggest problem we have and how he no longer is what he used to be.

I'll start with the simple stuff: How is he doing as a striker when we have the ball compared to average strikers in the PL.

- Does he get enough service/is he good at finding himself in good scoring positions to finish off chances?

Ronaldo has the 3rd highest npxG90 in the League with 0,58 npxG90 (non penalty expected goals per 90 minutes. Calculated from every chance a player has had during this season and how many goals an average finisher in the top 5 leagues is expected score from those chance using different matrix), only beaten by Salah (0,75) and Jota (0,67), in the PL. In other words Ronaldo seems to get both good service and still be good at making himself available for service. Not like in the good old days, and his npxG90 has had a negative trend since his golden years at Real Madrid, but still good. Since 2014 his npxG90 has varied from 0,6-0,94 at Real Madrid and Juventus.

Let's compare his output with some random strikers in the PL (all the numbers given are per 90 minutes on the pitch):

Non penalty goals and full 90s played/Shots per 90/Shots on target per 90/nxpG90/non-penalty goals per 90/diff (goal - npgX90)

Ronaldo: 6 non penalty goals in 14,8 full 90s / 3,80 (56 shots)/1,29 (19 shots on target) /0,58 (npxG90) /0,41 (np Goals90)/ -0,17 (Underperforming his npxG90 by 29,3%)
Antonio: 8 non penalty goals in 18,4 full 90s / 2,93 (54 shots)/0,92 (17 shots on target)/0,44 (npxG90)/0,43 (np Goals90)/ -0,01 (Underperforming his npxG90 by 2,3%)
Dennis: 8 non penalty goals in 14,5 full 90s / 2,42 (35 shots)/1,38 (20 shots on target)/0,24 (npxG90)/0,55 (np Goals90)/ +0,31 (Overperforming his npxG90 by 129,2%)
Maupay: 6 non penalty goals in 14,3 full 90s / 2,24 (32 shots)/0,92 (9 shots on target)/0,36 (npxG90)/0,42 (np Goals90)/ +0,06 (Overperforming his npxG90 by 16,7%)
Watkins: 5 non penalty goals in 15,1 full 90s / 2,31 (35 shots)/1,06 (16 shots on target)/0,38 (npxG90)/0,33 (np Goals90)/ -0,05 (Underperforming his npxG90 by 15,1%)
+ dream target from Bundesliga:
Haaland: 10 non penalty goals in 10,0 full 90s / 4,10 (41 shots)/1,80 (18 shots on target)/0,65 (npxG90)/1,0 (np Goals90)/ +0,35 (Overperforming his npxG90 by 53,8%)

Ronaldo has the 2nd most finishes per 90 in the league (beaten only by Salah), the 3rd highest npxG90 and still sits on just 6 non penalty goals (shared 10th with 5 other players in the league). He is getting 2nd most service in the league, to claim anything else is just a lie. He has hit a couple of brilliant goals this season, but he misses more chances than most in the league.

Assists and setting up teammates inside the box:
PPA90 (completed passes into the penalty box excluding set pieces per 90)Assists/xA90/A per 90

Ronaldo: 0,41 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/3 assists/0,11xA90/0,20 assists per 90.
Antonio: 0,92 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/5 assists/0,24xA90/0,27 assists per 90.
Dennis: 0,62 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/5 assists/0,17xA90/0,34 assists per 90.
Maupay: 0,77 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/1 assists/0,11xA90/0,07 assists per 90.
Watkins: 0,66 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/1 assists/0,06xA90/0,07 assists per 90.
+ dream target from Bundesliga:
Haaland: 1,3 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/5 assists/0,31xA90/0,50 assists per 90.

Dispite a couple of brilliant headers to teammates he rarely looks for teammates when closing in on goal, compared to other forwards. Ronaldo and Dennis' teammates have made them look better than they are at creating chances by massively overachieving their chances from passes from them. His link up play simply hasn't been very impressive for us.
Bruno for instance has been let down by bad finishing from his teammates this season (0,28xA90 /0,18 assists per 90)

Now to the most depressing part: Pressing

Pressings per 90/successfull pressings per 90/pressings in the attacking 3rd

Ronaldo: 6,28 pressings per 90 / 1,69 successfull pressing per 90/ 2,84 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 (!!)
Antonio: 13,3 pressings per 90 / 3,97 successfull pressing per 90/ 7,01 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90
Dennis: 20,8 pressings per 90 / 4,76 successfull pressing per 90/ 7,31 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90
Maupay: 19,9 pressings per 90 / 5,73 successfull pressing per 90/ 10,49 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90
Watkins: 15,43 pressings per 90 / 4,17 successfull pressing per 90/ 7,48 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90
+ dream target from Bundesliga:
Haaland: 12,6 pressings per 90 / 3,6 successfull pressing per 90/ 8,5 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90

His pressing is historically bad, that is why it is an issue and why we talk about it. If he just did the minimum, maybe the story would be different, but he doesn't even do half of the minimum in the attacking third. When we lose the ball he moans and throws his arms up in the air instead of chasing the ball. Most chances in football are created when you catch the opponent when it is unorganized, and the closer you get to the opponents goal when you gain possession the more unorganized the opponent is. The same goes for the faster you gain possession after you lose it the more unorganized the opponents are. Now look at the numbers above and explain to me how his workrate when we lose the ball or when we in general do not have the ball doesn't affect our general play and chance creationrate.

Playing a striker like him means the following:
- We win the ball when the opponent is unorganized less often
- We play against organized defenses more often
- We let our opponents enter our half with the ball more often
- All our outfield player except Ronaldo gets a higher workload and must cover larger areas to cover for him, which leads to more room for our opponents and our players getting more pumped and plays worse football.

....and when, as showed above, he doesn't even add more goals or isn't more effective than an average PL striker.
What's the point!?
 

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We should think about why Ronaldo came back to the UK, it wasn't the weather that brought him back and he was never likely to go to City, despite all the noise, no it was specifically to play the returning hero at United.

CR believed he could help United raise its self to its former levels of glory in particular to win some silverware; he may, or may not, have been encouraged in these thoughts by SAF (jury still out on that one) but he believed it, that is until he got back and found everything different from top to bottom.

They say "never go back" ...Cristiano is now experiencing that sentiment for real.
 

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I’m sure his agent will inquire especially if we finish outside of the top 4. However, options will be limited. Unless PSG come calling, where would he go? As it’s been reported, whether he stays will be dependent on a number factors including whether he sees us competing for top honours next year and whether he gets along with the new manager. IMO, if we hire Poch then he likely stays. For some reason I just don’t see him getting along with Ten Hag.