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It will be a disgrace if Utd play in Europa. I don’t really give a feck about how Ronaldo feels.It will be a disgrace if we make Ronaldo play Europa.
It will be a disgrace if Utd play in Europa. I don’t really give a feck about how Ronaldo feels.It will be a disgrace if we make Ronaldo play Europa.
It will be a disgrace if any members of the team play Europa League football, buy the way to obviate that is to make top 4. Ronaldo has to improve, as does the rest of the team.It will be a disgrace if we make Ronaldo play Europa.
Some here care more about him.It will be a disgrace if Utd play in Europa. I don’t really give a feck about how Ronaldo feels.
Someone on here was saying he would be happy if Ronaldo scores and wins the league with City (when the Ronaldo was on the verge of signing for them before the last day of the transfer window), because Ronaldo "deserves success".Some here care more about him.
He mentions something about having to destroy things in order to build new ones, so I think it must be something along those lines; like changing the mentalitym depart from the old ways and perhaps also a change in personnel.
He's basically Chicharito then? Offers nothing outside the box and the majority of his goals are 1 touch.Put the ball at his feet and he will score. Put the Ball on his head and he will score.
His conversion ratio is amongst the best in the world, if not the best in the world.
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His conversion rate actually isn't good.Put the ball at his feet and he will score. Put the Ball on his head and he will score.
His conversion ratio is amongst the best in the world, if not the best in the world.
it’s not Ronaldo, it’s his support. He is making the right runs. They are just not finding him because the majority of them lack the quality.
Has anybody got a completed passing stats for United?
Better than Messi this season surely?His conversion rate actually isn't good.
Yes, but this isn't the Messi vs Ronaldo thread. He has the 2nd most shots after Salah and one of the lowest conversion rates of PL topscorers.Better than Messi this season surely?
His numbers are similar to Mbappe, who himself has been saving PSG's arses this season, playing in a much stronger league in a weaker and disjointed team and inferior managers. So I'm curious how you thought that it actually isn't good.Yes, but this isn't the Messi vs Ronaldo thread.
Obvious what is happening. The standards banner was very telling in the stretford end during the last game.Change our mind is very deep phrase.
Mpabbe is in his prime and has a greater overall ability. Ronaldo stats looking decent on paper when you just looks at games/goals, however watching him play he's woefull unless he gets on the scoresheet.His numbers are similar to Mbappe, who himself has been saving PSG's arses this season, playing in a much stronger league in a weaker and disjointed team and inferior managers. So I'm curious how you thought that it actually isn't good.
Get rid of the idiots we have in our squad.Wonder what he means with this bit
“We are capable of changing things now. I know the way but I'm not going to mention it here because I don't think it's ethical on my part to say that”
https://www.skysports.com/football/...s-time-to-implement-his-ideas-at-old-trafford
Are suggesting 36 years Ronaldo, who can't dribble at all anymore, offers the same as young Mbappe?His numbers are similar to Mbappe, who himself has been saving PSG's arses this season, playing in a much stronger league in a weaker and disjointed team and inferior managers. So I'm curious how you thought that it actually isn't good.
Even Lewandowski would look like half the player if he played in our team right now. I thought your standards must be crazy high if his conversion doesn't impress you, compared to PSG's best.Mpabbe is in his prime and has a greater overall ability. Ronaldo stats looking decent on paper when you just looks at games/goals, however watching him play he's woefull unless he gets on the scoresheet.
Ronaldo himself is getting paid more than 400k per week, and has the same goals as Emmanuel Dennis (playing for a worse side) in PL.He's saying what we already know. There is a crowd of overpaid cnuts in this club that needs to be got rid of.
I love how he's all "It's not ethical of me to say", while at the same time telling us the mentality of some players is awful.Get rid of the idiots we have in our squad.
Ronaldo's shots to goals rate in the league is 14% which puts him in the bottom half for conversion rate in the league.His numbers are similar to Mbappe, who himself has been saving PSG's arses this season, playing in a much stronger league in a weaker and disjointed team and inferior managers. So I'm curious how you thought that it actually isn't good.
Ronaldo's goal record in the CL is good, but he is also on the same tally of goals in the league as of emmanuel denis of Watford, who has fewer shots and a higher conversion rate. I agree our whole team is average this season. But no, I havnt been impressed when watching Ronaldo. In his previous game he made a back header that let 2 wolves players through on goal. He esssentially continues to be painfully average, but then if he manages to get a penalty or on the scoresheet the narrative becoomes about how awesome he is. I believe he's a valuable squad player, but whether he stays or not, I'm not overly bothered about. If you want a high pressing team, then old Ronnie is not your man.Even Lewandowski would look like half the player if he played in our team right now. I thought your standards must be crazy high if his conversion doesn't impress you, compared to PSG's best.
He came for the money too. If he wanted to just win I’m sure there would have been other options.He gone come summer. Not surprising. He came to win and instead found himself surrounded by Sunday league players who think they are God's gift.
What kind of chances do we create for our striker? How many crosses do we put in each game? When was the last time we scored from a cornerRonaldo himself is getting paid more than 400k per week, and has the same goals as Emmanuel Dennis (playing for a worse side) in PL.
Could Ronaldo get better service? Definitely. But I believe that @troylocker did a detailed breakdown that Ronaldo does actually get a decent amount of chances in the PL and his conversion rate of those chances isn't good.What kind of chances do we create for our striker? How many crosses do we put in each game? When was the last time we scored from a corner
Idiots in terms of the off the pitch behaviour (briefing the press, not committed in training etc) or football IQ? To be fair they’ve been a bit cr*p at both aspects.Get rid of the idiots we have in our squad.
Sorry, all, this will be a long post.
I'll explain how Ronaldo is the biggest problem we have and how he no longer is what he used to be.
I'll start with the simple stuff: How is he doing as a striker when we have the ball compared to average strikers in the PL.
- Does he get enough service/is he good at finding himself in good scoring positions to finish off chances?
Ronaldo has the 3rd highest npxG90 in the League with 0,58 npxG90 (non penalty expected goals per 90 minutes. Calculated from every chance a player has had during this season and how many goals an average finisher in the top 5 leagues is expected score from those chance using different matrix), only beaten by Salah (0,75) and Jota (0,67), in the PL. In other words Ronaldo seems to get both good service and still be good at making himself available for service. Not like in the good old days, and his npxG90 has had a negative trend since his golden years at Real Madrid, but still good. Since 2014 his npxG90 has varied from 0,6-0,94 at Real Madrid and Juventus.
Let's compare his output with some random strikers in the PL (all the numbers given are per 90 minutes on the pitch):
Non penalty goals and full 90s played/Shots per 90/Shots on target per 90/nxpG90/non-penalty goals per 90/diff (goal - npgX90)
Ronaldo: 6 non penalty goals in 14,8 full 90s / 3,80 (56 shots)/1,29 (19 shots on target) /0,58 (npxG90) /0,41 (np Goals90)/ -0,17 (Underperforming his npxG90 by 29,3%)
Antonio: 8 non penalty goals in 18,4 full 90s / 2,93 (54 shots)/0,92 (17 shots on target)/0,44 (npxG90)/0,43 (np Goals90)/ -0,01 (Underperforming his npxG90 by 2,3%)
Dennis: 8 non penalty goals in 14,5 full 90s / 2,42 (35 shots)/1,38 (20 shots on target)/0,24 (npxG90)/0,55 (np Goals90)/ +0,31 (Overperforming his npxG90 by 129,2%)
Maupay: 6 non penalty goals in 14,3 full 90s / 2,24 (32 shots)/0,92 (9 shots on target)/0,36 (npxG90)/0,42 (np Goals90)/ +0,06 (Overperforming his npxG90 by 16,7%)
Watkins: 5 non penalty goals in 15,1 full 90s / 2,31 (35 shots)/1,06 (16 shots on target)/0,38 (npxG90)/0,33 (np Goals90)/ -0,05 (Underperforming his npxG90 by 15,1%)
+ dream target from Bundesliga:
Haaland: 10 non penalty goals in 10,0 full 90s / 4,10 (41 shots)/1,80 (18 shots on target)/0,65 (npxG90)/1,0 (np Goals90)/ +0,35 (Overperforming his npxG90 by 53,8%)
Ronaldo has the 2nd most finishes per 90 in the league (beaten only by Salah), the 3rd highest npxG90 and still sits on just 6 non penalty goals (shared 10th with 5 other players in the league). He is getting 2nd most service in the league, to claim anything else is just a lie. He has hit a couple of brilliant goals this season, but he misses more chances than most in the league.
Assists and setting up teammates inside the box:
PPA90 (completed passes into the penalty box excluding set pieces per 90)Assists/xA90/A per 90
Ronaldo: 0,41 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/3 assists/0,11xA90/0,20 assists per 90.
Antonio: 0,92 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/5 assists/0,24xA90/0,27 assists per 90.
Dennis: 0,62 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/5 assists/0,17xA90/0,34 assists per 90.
Maupay: 0,77 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/1 assists/0,11xA90/0,07 assists per 90.
Watkins: 0,66 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/1 assists/0,06xA90/0,07 assists per 90.
+ dream target from Bundesliga:
Haaland: 1,3 completed passes into the penalty box per 90/5 assists/0,31xA90/0,50 assists per 90.
Dispite a couple of brilliant headers to teammates he rarely looks for teammates when closing in on goal, compared to other forwards. Ronaldo and Dennis' teammates have made them look better than they are at creating chances by massively overachieving their chances from passes from them. His link up play simply hasn't been very impressive for us.
Bruno for instance has been let down by bad finishing from his teammates this season (0,28xA90 /0,18 assists per 90)
Now to the most depressing part: Pressing
Pressings per 90/successfull pressings per 90/pressings in the attacking 3rd
Ronaldo: 6,28 pressings per 90 / 1,69 successfull pressing per 90/ 2,84 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90 (!!)
Antonio: 13,3 pressings per 90 / 3,97 successfull pressing per 90/ 7,01 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90
Dennis: 20,8 pressings per 90 / 4,76 successfull pressing per 90/ 7,31 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90
Maupay: 19,9 pressings per 90 / 5,73 successfull pressing per 90/ 10,49 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90
Watkins: 15,43 pressings per 90 / 4,17 successfull pressing per 90/ 7,48 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90
+ dream target from Bundesliga:
Haaland: 12,6 pressings per 90 / 3,6 successfull pressing per 90/ 8,5 pressings in the attacking 3rd per 90
His pressing is historically bad, that is why it is an issue and why we talk about it. If he just did the minimum, maybe the story would be different, but he doesn't even do half of the minimum in the attacking third. When we lose the ball he moans and throws his arms up in the air instead of chasing the ball. Most chances in football are created when you catch the opponent when it is unorganized, and the closer you get to the opponents goal when you gain possession the more unorganized the opponent is. The same goes for the faster you gain possession after you lose it the more unorganized the opponents are. Now look at the numbers above and explain to me how his workrate when we lose the ball or when we in general do not have the ball doesn't affect our general play and chance creationrate.
Playing a striker like him means the following:
- We win the ball when the opponent is unorganized less often
- We play against organized defenses more often
- We let our opponents enter our half with the ball more often
- All our outfield player except Ronaldo gets a higher workload and must cover larger areas to cover for him, which leads to more room for our opponents and our players getting more pumped and plays worse football.
....and when, as showed above, he doesn't even add more goals or isn't more effective than an average PL striker.
What's the point!?
He's been chilling with Traore and Mbuemo it seemsRonaldo's shots to goals rate in the league is 14% which puts him in the bottom half for conversion rate in the league.