Will Ronnie be booed?
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Again, how did I make your point?...has Spoons made FS's point...
Like this:
What happens if the fans are (or think they are) the club?
Answer= NUFC.
Would you like to be as much of a joke as Newcastle?
Well people are forever telling us that the modern crowd is mostly a theatre-going type - as opposed to a coin-throwing, rioting, vandalising one - we are supposed to prefer the latter possibly?
I want some passion - but the aggro (which is solely a post 67 phenomenom) I can live without. People have decided that the hooligan-type values of the 70s/80s/90s define a 'true fan' - historicaly that's crap! The same applies to aspects of such support they wish to retain tbh.
Firstly, not sure if I'm an average joe but would love his working hours.......
I rememeber reading an interview with a famous stage actor when he was asked about how he manged the intensity of his performance every single night.
He replied that even during the most dramatically-relevant scenes, he often found himself thinking about his grocery shopping list as he performed his lines.
Kinda takes the romanticism away from it all, but also reflects that players and fans approach this matter from viewpoints that are more than 180 degrees opposite...were that possible.
I very much doubt the situation was objectively portrayed though!
That believing fans 'are' the club is deluded and undesirable.
As evidenced by NUFC.
No, I pointed out they were the club. If anything the situation at NUFC has proven that.
Look what a mess that has produced - luckily not all clubs are like that!
Yes, but the fans are the heart and soul of the club. That's the point.
And save your energy for that idiot of a poster in the General.
More likely it shows the gulf between theatre and football. Leaving aside the nonciness of a bloke thinking about shopping at all, I suggest that if you are not concentrating on the job in hand when Yakubu or Vidic are bearing down on you, then you are in serious trouble.
Nope - see above - they just like to think they are.
All they have managed to do for Newcastle is screw the club up even more - not quite the 'heart & soul' I'd be looking for.
Fans' identification with the club is a comforting myth for them - f*ck all to do with reality though.
Might nick that a couple of times to wind up the fanboys on here.But they are, whether the outcome has been great or not.
Yet theatre is more beneficial to society than football - unfortunately too many ignorant c*nts like to portray it as 'the sort of thing liked by nonces' - to the detriment of society generally.
Yet theatre is more beneficial to society than football - unfortunately too many ignorant c*nts like to portray it as 'the sort of thing liked by nonces' - to the detriment of society generally.
Football = catharsis. Great for society.
Nope - they are a cancer that likes to portray themselves as 'heart & soul'.
The club has not been strong enough to fight off the invasion.
I do not want this to happen to Utd.
Theatre is as dead as mutton, completely superseded by film and kept in play by working class subsidies to an elitist and largely incompetent cast.Yet theatre is more beneficial to society than football - unfortunately too many ignorant c*nts like to portray it as 'the sort of thing liked by nonces' - to the detriment of society generally.
Catharsis has its place - but portrayals of societal issues and their resolution or consequences are more important.
Unfortunately we no longer train people to be able to understand such issues as embedded in live performance.
They are not the 'heart and soul' they are the disease that is killing it.
Pity that film is so entirely incapable of providing any useful insights then isn't it!
Like I said...
we no longer train people to be able to understand such issues as embedded in live performance.
No, they are the heart and soul. Whether the outcome has been good or not, won't change that fact.
And what would a club be like without any fans whatsoever?
Well done.
We don't train people to write intelligible sentences it would appear. What the feck's that supposed to mean? You've now managed to suggest that you have little understanding of the two biggest popular cultural forms on the planet. Stick to opera mate.
Do you even enjoy football FS?
You are either being disingenuous or you are entirely failing to get this.
Rather than seeing NUFC as a club whose 'heart and soul' are the fans - I propose a more realistic scenario...
NUFC - the players - the owners and the managerial staff are just that - the club.
However, another group, consisting of neanderthal boneheads, are capable of exerting a lot of influence over the club. If they keep up the metaphorical equivalent of hitting everyone over the head with a large sledgehammer then they can bully a club in such a weak position into major concessions.
Despite their influence they cannot be seen as the 'life & soul' of the club. Were the club stronger, as many are, then they could be ignored or dealt with.
At NUFC (and we hope nowhere else) such a group can impose their external demands on the club - this does not actually make them the club - nor make their decisions worthy - nor should it encourage other clubs to behave like this.
The fans are not the 'heart & soul' of any club - we should resist attempts for them to become so without serious safeguards.
I think you've failed to grasp the point. So, Seagulls, what'd happen to a club if it had no fans whatsover?
feck me that's the world turned upside down.
I find Seagulls more than a tad odd.
I'm off. Work in the morning. Give me a £120K a week and no one chanting my name, over this, anytime.
I bid you all farewell.
I bid you all farewell.
We fail to train people to understand how relevant societal issues are portrayed in different types of live (as opposed to recorded and edited) performances - not that difficult really.
I have a considerable understanding of different media - and I'm fully aware of the inaccurate compromises and over-simplification routinely used to help the story flow. So it's inaccurate garbage mostly - especially when you consider it's only made for entertainment with no concern as to accuracy.
Hollywood versions become pseudo-fact to an audience inacapable and uninterested in being able to tell a shoelace from a grass-snake.
I understand it - I have no respect for the majority of it.
Hollywood is hardly at the pinnacle of film making, it's a kin to pop music.
You're depressing FeedingSeagulls, it seems like you don't even enjoy life.
In what context? Lower league? Occasional games?
Some who attend FC would be happy for a much different club to exist - this would include the types of competitive fixtures.
...and just what do you mean by 'no fans? - are we allowed viewers?
Yet uncritical audiences - like stupid football fans - take things as presented - without bothering to inquire about the facts behind the case.
My opinion:
Whether or not we have a right to blame him over the summer, most of us clearly do. But while he could easily be forgiven after a few performances, our temporary anger has unblinded us to some of his more unsavoury antics that before we could ignore. His occassional diving, arm flapping and pouting good also be forgiven but his general demeanor seems negative at the moment. Maybe he is unhappy with himself for his current form, but correctly or incorrectly he is giving the impression that his mind is elsewhere. I'm sure I'll get over it very soon and he'll win us over again and I am open to being won back but for feck sake, how hard is it to clap the fans at the end of a game? Just a clap or two. An acknowledgement. Granted we weren't great on saturday (I tried my best but T3 of the north stand was genuinly like a funeral; not like we were attending a funeral but that we had died and the other stands were paying their respects) but the other players managed to clap us.
Whether or not we have a right to blame him over the summer, most of us clearly do. But while he could easily be forgiven after a few performances, our temporary anger has unblinded us to some of his more unsavoury antics that before we could ignore. His occassional diving, arm flapping and pouting good also be forgiven but his general demeanor seems negative at the moment. Maybe he is unhappy with himself for his current form, but correctly or incorrectly he is giving the impression that his mind is elsewhere. I'm sure I'll get over it very soon and he'll win us over again and I am open to being won back but for feck sake, how hard is it to clap the fans at the end of a game? Just a clap or two. An acknowledgement. Granted we weren't great on saturday (I tried my best but T3 of the north stand was genuinly like a funeral; not like we were attending a funeral but that we had died and the other stands were paying their respects) but the other players managed to clap us.
I probably wouldn't enjoy yours tbh.
Most people have grown up with a plurality of media and many have even studied it formally and are very aware of the implicit ironies. You on the other hand often seemed mired in a pre-lapsarian fluffy bunny world of your own.
You have an addiction to declaring victory for yourself
Even though you're entirely wrong!!!
Ronaldo gets a massive rousing ovation on his return, the loudest reception of the season. Before and after, Viva Ronaldo has barely had an airing. And you expect me to believe that welcome was the actions of the usual atmospheric support?
You're in a major minority if you feel Ronaldo did nothing wrong this summer. I clearly outlined you precisely how he was. If you choose to wrongly believe something else, that's your business
And apologies, I did make a mistake you're quite right. You based your assessment on two people sat next to the North stand wall, rather than being in the stand with you