Will there ever be a Woman Premier League manager?

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No not at a high level, i mean just say it how it is there will be no respect there in a room of 30 men especially not behind closed doors in a changing room or on the training ground.
 

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No not at a high level, i mean just say it how it is there will be no respect there in a room of 30 men especially not behind closed doors in a changing room or on the training ground.
Wow.

Why are rooms full of men able to respect a non-male CEO?

Just say it how it is, you wouldn’t respect a non-male leader (in that environment). Doesn’t mean plenty of others couldn’t.
 

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Wow.

Why are rooms full of men able to respect a non-male CEO?
Are they? I would have assumed it was the opposite given the recent push for gender diversity, its only rational they won't all be in leadership positions due to merit.

Don't have that experience to be able to say though, nor would it be that applicable either most CEO's aren't on the ground level directing their every waking move in a football shirt telling them what to do.
 

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Are they? I would have assumed it was the opposite given the recent push for gender diversity, its only rational they won't all be in leadership positions due to merit.

Don't have that experience to be able to say though, nor would it be that applicable either most CEO's aren't on the ground level directing their every waking move in a football shirt telling them what to do.
Yes, they are. Strange that you can't imagine it.
 

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Are they? I would have assumed it was the opposite given the recent push for gender diversity, its only rational they won't all be in leadership positions due to merit.

Don't have that experience to be able to say though, nor would it be that applicable either most CEO's aren't on the ground level directing their every waking move in a football shirt telling them what to do.
Doubling down on misogyny, nice one.

Yeah there's probably no successful female middle level bosses in working life in any industry.
 

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There will be I think - not sure of their route to it though. The women’s game is different to the men’s game so they would need to find entry into the men’s footballing pyramid and work up from there.
 

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I feel confident there will at some stage. Although I'd say it's much more likely it would be on an interim basis in the first case it happens.

If I were to guess a lady will get hired as a coach / assistant and then when the manager is sacked, get the interim role.
 

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It's really rare to get even black people as managers still unfortunately. There's just weird barriers that don't make sense. At lower levels I think there will be the odd female manager, but at the top level I don't see it within my lifetime.

To be completely honest though, I'm a bit iffy on that one. I'm not sure how well it'd work. Knowledge wise it isn't an issue, but dealing with a squad of male footballers like that you'll always just be dealt with a very wide range of opinions and I just think they'd run into issues that otherwise wouldn't be there where other players wouldn't really buy into it, and that teams at Premier League level wouldn't be willing to gamble on. Could be wrong, only one way to find out, but I don't see it anytime soon.
 

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There will be I think - not sure of their route to it though. The women’s game is different to the men’s game so they would need to find entry into the men’s footballing pyramid and work up from there.
I'm sure there have been men who managed men's and women's teams. I don't think the game is that different.
 

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Doubling down on misogyny, nice one.

Yeah there's probably no successful female middle level bosses in working life in any industry.
Ah who cares these words are meaningless bro. I simply acknowledge men and women are different in how we act and treat each other its biology it is what it is. If you didn't look at your father differently to your mother growing up for instance i would call you a liar.
 
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Ah who cares these words are meaningless bro. I simply acknowledge that we act and treat each other differently its biology it is what it is. If you didn't look at your father differently to your mother growing up for instance i would call you a liar.
The best comeback ever :lol:

Don’t talk about we. Don’t include me, please. Of course I saw them differently but not because I respected my father more than my mother. It’s actually very much the opposite nowadays.

I hope if you’ll ever have kids they get to grow up in a more fair, diverse and equal world. Then again those words are meaningless bro, so whatever.
 

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There’s a long road ahead of whoever is the first. She’ll have to work her way up through the leagues like Luton town.

Wanting to see a female manager is a fine thing, but when there’s money involved, these PL chairmen become risk averse and favour the same old faces. You’re asking them to gamble their money on an unknown quantity. It’ll basically take a woman to burst onto the scene as some managerial wonder, taking Kettering into Europe or something before any of the prem clubs take enough notice to offer them their managerial position.

In the short term I think it’s more likely that teams start having females on their coaching staff. In time maybe one of them gets asked to take interim charge, maybe a good run of form gets them the gig full time etc.
 

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I'm sure there have been men who managed men's and women's teams. I don't think the game is that different.
Maybe I’m wrong. Only takes one owner of a men’s team to believe that line of thinking.
 

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I don't really see it in any close future, to be honest. There is a possibility that a club could take a risk and go straight for a woman from the female leagues, but that will be an enormous risk as the game is under 16s standard (possibly lower, even). Likely, that will end up being disastrous.

Premier League management roles are scarce: there are only 20 jobs available and, even if you take account of sackings through a season, it will max out at about 25 potential different managers in the PL per season. I do not believe it is a role that can hold to any form of diversifying due to it being such a ridiculously low number, which will severely hinder women getting into management.

The coaching scene is completely stacked with male prospects for these roles; there are a plethora of choices for management roles higher up. Not only that, but managers that establish themselves will end up getting chosen again and again e.g. Hodgson still gets jobs and he has been in the game for about 40 years. On top of that, you are competing against ex-players, who will all be male. I highly doubt playing in the female league will be seen in anywhere near the same context as an ex-PL player.

Unless a club decides to take that risk I said earlier, I think you would be looking at a two or three decades before women will be in with a shot of getting to the Premier League management positions.
 

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In the short term I think it’s more likely that teams start having females on their coaching staff. In time maybe one of them gets asked to take interim charge, maybe a good run of form gets them the gig full time etc.
This is the most likely path, I agree.
 

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Wow.

Why are rooms full of men able to respect a non-male CEO?

Just say it how it is, you wouldn’t respect a non-male leader (in that environment). Doesn’t mean plenty of others couldn’t.
I think the issue in football, more than gender is that footballers respect accomplishments, mourinho was very much an exception but a group of premier league footballers will have a fair bit of difficulty respecting someone who never played at anything close to the kind of level they did. Even if you could remove sexism completely, and that's unlikely, I'd say that's a bigger obstacle. Having said that I'm sure it will happen eventually, if i recall correctly Emma Hayes was offered the Wimbledon job but turned it down, I'm sure you will get someone with enough charisma and skill to land it, it might depend on someone like Hayes being willing to take the job from a top women's side to a lower league side first
 

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Yes. I don't think it's that far off. You have to think it's not just reliant on the overall conservatism within football which means that women regularly making PL managers is miles off. That can be confidently stated, because regularity needs a seachange in wider sentiment.

It's reliant on owners. Owners can't be lumped together under one umbrella, so I don't think our predictive power for one particular woman becoming PL manager at one particular club is that good. It will probably happen sooner than imagined, it just needs the convergence of an exceptional female manager, and an owner that thinks miles outside the box. Right time, right place - it'll happen.

For it to happen more often a lot has to progress. Probably the first female that gets the opportunity will have a lot of pressure and carrying a lot on her shoulders, it'll help if she does well as it sets a precedent that it can work. The women's game probably has to grow and be taken more seriously for wider opportunities. Which is happening but slowly. Maybe more women have to make coaches, assistant managers at male clubs as well. If that pathway becomes more common, then it's only one step removed from becoming manager - it won't be so psychologically challenging for owners.
 

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I would love to see Wiegman and Hayes get a chance at some level. That’s if they’re interested, of course.
I may well be wrong but my suspicion is this wouldn't work and would just be a waste of their talents. I think the top levels of men's football and women's are still too tactically different to expect Wiegman to be a good PL manager, or indeed Pep a good WSL manager. It's the women who centre their careers on coaching the men's game that I think are gonna be the ones to be successful.
 

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I may well be wrong but my suspicion is this wouldn't work and would just be a waste of their talents. I think the top levels of men's football and women's are still too tactically different to expect Wiegman to be a good PL manager, or indeed Pep a good WSL manager. It's the women who centre their careers on coaching the men's game that I think are gonna be the ones to be successful.
I disagree, I think tactics are just the technical side of a job and compared to foundational skills in strategic management, managing people, relationship building, analytical ability - they are there to be picked up. There are technical aspects of my job that routinely change, but the point is if the core skills relating to that role are in place, it's fine to adapt. But you can't just "create" a manager because they know tactics, there is a certain alchemy a top manager has in terms of personal skills, so that's the difference between the aforementioned skills and a technical skill. Even if it took a few years, an intelligent and highly skilled female manager should be able to adapt to tactics starting at a slightly lower level than the PL initially.

I think Pep would adjust very easily to the WSL as well. Incredibly quickly. With the kind of focus and obsession a manager like that has, he'd be spending every waking hour analysing the detail of how those matches are played. Within one summer he would be able to do that in my opinion.

The reverse is a bit harder because obviously women's football is still at a formative stage in terms of quality, it hasn't had the complete development of the men's game. Correspondingly, the finances are less, the quality is less, the processes are probably more streamlined and the game is played at a slower pace. So you're very much entering a big pond as a female manager and there would be a heck of a lot to pick up, whereas the reverse isn't true.
 

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I disagree, I think tactics are just the technical side of a job and compared to foundational skills in strategic management, managing people, relationship building, analytical ability - they are there to be picked up. There are technical aspects of my job that routinely change, but the point is if the core skills relating to that role are in place, it's fine to adapt. But you can't just "create" a manager because they know tactics, there is a certain alchemy a top manager has in terms of personal skills, so that's the difference between the aforementioned skills and a technical skill. Even if it took a few years, an intelligent and highly skilled female manager should be able to adapt to tactics starting at a slightly lower level than the PL initially.

I think Pep would adjust very easily to the WSL as well. Incredibly quickly. With the kind of focus and obsession a manager like that has, he'd be spending every waking hour analysing the detail of how those matches are played. Within one summer he would be able to do that in my opinion.

The reverse is a bit harder because obviously women's football is still at a formative stage in terms of quality, it hasn't had the complete development of the men's game. Correspondingly, the finances are less, the quality is less, the processes are probably more streamlined and the game is played at a slower pace. So you're very much entering a big pond as a female manager and there would be a heck of a lot to pick up, whereas the reverse isn't true.
I will expand my argument further and add that managing PL players egos compared to WSL egos also seems a huge one to bridge and that again that would go in both directions.
 

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Would be a good PR move for one of those clubs who don't appear bothered who manages them from one week to the next.
I'm not sure the bit where they sack our hypothetical heroine after a moderately disappointing first 15 games is gonna be that popular though.