And Willian is the solution to the problem?
Willian | Arsenal player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
"along with loyalty payments and other bonuses"
Since when are loyalty payments and bonuses taken into account when talking about a player's weekly wage?
I was answering his question about why we're signing attackers.
What rubbish. Pepe has got 18 goals+assists in a stop start season playing under three managers. Fully expect him to double that number next year when he gets used to the league.
It's not rubbish at all.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/soc...pe-transfer-barcelona-start-hunt-for-new-boss
For a minute I didn't believe you.
From your own link
Bit of a leap to read that and say there's an internal investigation because he's so shit
When you want to make the signing sound outlandish and ridiculous."along with loyalty payments and other bonuses"
Since when are loyalty payments and bonuses taken into account when talking about a player's weekly wage?
I'd have liked Willian at United a few years ago, but having been saddled with plenty of the 'wrong' kind of player on big wages who we've struggled to shift I would have been opposed to us being in for him this summer. However the jury's out on how this'll go for Arsenal and for me it certainly isn't time to start laughing and inflating his wages to score cheap points.
It's undeniably funnier though.
He has the best agent in world football.
Firstly managed to get him smuggled out of Heathrow and into a car to join Chelsea when the deal with Spurs was all but done, and now getting him this amazing contract!
Firstly managed to get him smuggled out of Heathrow and into a car to join Chelsea when the deal with Spurs was all but done, and now getting him this amazing contract!
This transfer shows how much Arsenal DoF is completely clueless and with no plan whatsoever.
Sign the worlds best defender? We should be so lucky.I don't understand why Arsenal keep signing attackers. It's also particularly weird to sign their rivals want-away players like David Luiz and Willian. Imagine us signing Lovren and Shaqiri and the fans be fine with it.
Terrible transfer for Arsenal, on so many levels.
When they're calculating Sanchez total cost is the only other time I've seen them pulling this shit"along with loyalty payments and other bonuses"
Since when are loyalty payments and bonuses taken into account when talking about a player's weekly wage?
Based on what exactly?
Bizarre to state that when there is no plausible evidence to suggest it.
Not really. We have with Saka, Nelson and Martinelli three very young wingers/ offensive options.
Pepe just had his first PL season and did it okay so far.
We lacked creating chances last season. Willian had created the 6th most chances in the league last season and with Auba as a striker, it could be a good combo.
His wage is completely fine. We freed up a lot of wage in the last seasons and have a very young squad. So some offensive PL experience is quite important for us. But still we need another central offensive midfielder for next season.
I'm convinced he'll be good for a year and awful for the next two
With Auba, Ozil and now Willian all getting on and earning mega money Arsenal will have to be careful I feel.
On the contrary, Arsenal are in an excellent shape in terms of wages going forward. Ozil will be off the wage bill next summer, Willian is getting somewhere in the 120K per week range, and Auba is rumored to be seeking around 250k. We're not exactly breaking the bank here.
Off the wage bill next summer if not beforehand are Ozil (350k), Sokratis (90k), Mustafi (90k) and Luiz (120k) if we don't resign him again. Auba and Lacazette, who may leave this summer anyway, will be the only players making over 150k (unless a new signing like Partey gets that much).
Wenger made some absolutely disastrous contract decisions in his last couple years - Ozil at 350K, Mkhi at 180K, Xhaka (100K), Kolasinac (100K), and Mustafi (90K) all making far more than their contributions merited. We are finally digging out from that hole.
May I ask why it was you wanted him gone? I was always under the impression that he was one of you best performers, if not the most consistent. Were they other issues at play?
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Good player, decent signing for them. Doesn't look his age when he's playing.
Good signing for Arsenal imo.
Pretty weird though how the way to go for any Chelsea player after leaving is to simply go to their city rivals.
Pretty weird though how the way to go for any Chelsea player after leaving is to simply go to their city rivals.
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He's a good signing for Arsenal. They need someone to come in and be a reliable workhorse for the next year or so, while Pepe (or other youngsters) mature into their role. He might be their main starter in his first season and slowly fade into a rotation role towards the end of 2nd or 3rd season.
100% valid, and it’s a legacy of when transfer fees far outstripped wages, and so remains the barometer of how you compare transfers, and it is still valid when comparing to the past - but clearly needs to be taken Will a great deal of salt, as the total cost of a deal needs to be appraised.
However, the reality of that is that clubs do not release details of wages, bonuses, agent fees for individual players - so it’s just a guesstimate.
Do Chelsea fans feel betrayed by him joining their biggest rival ?
It's an alright deal in the short term, it does improve the squad for the next year, but it's not nearly enough. For the long term it's straight up just a very bad deal.
He will sit on that contract until he's 35... There are a lot of better options out there and I think it says more about Arsenal's desperation to get back into European contention next season than anything.
Overall their signings over the last year have been mindboggling. Going for players straight out of the bargain bin with high flop potential.
I don't think Chelsea will cry too much, especially if they pull of Havertz.
He will sit on that contract until he's 35... There are a lot of better options out there and I think it says more about Arsenal's desperation to get back into European contention next season than anything.
Overall their signings over the last year have been mindboggling. Going for players straight out of the bargain bin with high flop potential.
I don't think Chelsea will cry too much, especially if they pull of Havertz.
It's their tradition.
Wasn’t Sánchez’ whole package always used?"along with loyalty payments and other bonuses"
Since when are loyalty payments and bonuses taken into account when talking about a player's weekly wage?
not at all I’m happy we can continue to sing the song about how much he hates Tottenham. I’m sure it will sound better when both sets of fans sing it
I rate Willian,wouldve liked to have seen him here with us.
I think he will benefit any team he plays with! Decent player!
I think he will benefit any team he plays with! Decent player!
He's inconsistent. He's only been one of our best performers in short, brief spurts and they were usually few and far betwern. Most of the time he's a frustrating player with awful decision making who is capable of the occasional flash of brilliance. He's been useful for us at times, but I've been advocating for his sale since about 2015.
They're not our biggest rival by any stretch of the imagination.
Feel the same as when Cech or Luiz went there. Enjoy your retirement, you you are happy, healthy and shit on the pitch!
There's absolutely no way Willian is taking less money than he was on at Chelsea as a free agent.
He gets many points from pens I believe. Will Auba give up pen duties? I doubt it.
Not really. There is a light year worth of difference between a Hazard moving to Arsenal or Spurs as compared to Willian. I felt even more betrayed by Lampard playing like 5 games for City.
Willian has his uses on a very good day. He makes a major upgrade over someone like Saka for next season but in the long run I don't think he does much for Arsenal.
Conte is getting jealous.
Seems Arsenal get a Chelsea player every few years in recent times. Obviously Cech and Luiz have been mentioned, but I remember them loaning Benayoun from Chelsea, too.
Sure. Well, Cech wasn't really past his prime when he moved. Courtois was just better.
Well, at least next season he'll probably give them a good return. I wonder how Chelsea will replace him