No one said he was a donkey, but we've had to listen to pundits and opposition fans (ala the "better than Ziyech" video that's gone viral) talk about him like he was world class for years so ofcourse we (fans who watched him every week) will counter that, just like Arsenal fans are now doing and just like what you'd have done had you got him when Mou wanted to bring him your way.
Infact you've just given a prime example to what i mean by calling him a good free kick taker, he had that insane purple patch in 2015 when he scored 6 in almost succesive matches but either side of that he scored 6 in 7 years despite having dibs on free kicks most of that time, the vast majority of his free kicks hit the wall or went far wide/over and don't get me started on the one's outwide that needed crossing in (he hit a one man wall vs City a few years back). We all near enough universally agreed on preffering (depending on era) Cesc, Alonso or Mount stepping up instead.
He's very valuable in certain aspects of the game, transiting possession in the middle 3rd especially he was world class at which was very valuable when the team as a whole weren't clicking, but for his natural talent he has underachieved, he should have been (given his talent) our deputy chief match winner (after Hazard) but instead he was rotated with and sometimes outrightly behind a past his prime Pedro and it was for a reason.
So you're basically butthurt that some random Gunnar fans trolled you about Ziyech? As for pundits, you should know by now that most British pundits are biased and ignorant. A foreign player is nothing until he comes in and proves it on their shores. Willian passed their litmus test. Ziyech is an outstanding footballer. But has a very different profile. I wouldn't compare the two anyway.
Good free kicks don't mean just the ones that go in the net directly. He has assisted goals from free kicks and corners, or Chelsea have scored from the 2nd ball. Rashford puts most of his into the stands. The one against Chelsea was a rarity. Most free kick attempts aren't converted. There aren't many brilliant direct free kick takers around. Messi is probably still the best right now.
I watch the vast majority of Chelsea games btw. My uncle is a Chelsea fan since the 70's. I watch a lot of Spurs too because my grandfather supports them since the late 50's. In fact, I spend most of my life watching leagues all across Europe.
I think you either didn't watch Valencia much, or only saw the good bits. I would take Willian over him every time.
You post that about your own player, at United for 10 whole years, former captain immediately following this post.
Gotta fight fire with fire.
Shows how highly I rated Willian. Didn't want him here in 2017 due to a lack of longevity. I'm always wary of players who have a lot of mileage on the tank. Willian does now at 32, having made 700 odd career appearances. Poor decision by Arteta.
Players like Valencia (questionable English after 10+ years in England) being captain should tell you part of the reason why Man Utd are in the shape that we are. We've had a lot of captains over the past few years. All a far cry from the days of Roy Keane.
