No, he isn't. He can't go past a player any more - pace is gone.
Wilshere - where does the hype come from?
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what you talkin bout willis?
You crazy
Rooney in the past month or so has been a lot closer to the Rooney of old than anything last season. I think we were playing him too high up the pitch. Nowadays he's playing off either Berbatov or Hernandez and picking upthe ball from midfield a lot more.
No way he was better as a 19 year old though. More of a lunatic maybe.
For example, spotting the gaps and playing the ball in behind the other team's back line. Fabregas is excellent at this. Scholes yesterday did it more in his short time on the pitch than Wilshire did in the entire game.
He'll quite possibly become very good at it in time, but he's not there yet.
No way he was better as a 19 year old though. More of a lunatic maybe.
Lets not get carried away. He's not even the most complete midfielder I've seen at the age of 19 in the current Arsenal side, and he's far from complete. There's loads of stuff he either hasn't shown he can do yet or doesn't have in his locker.
For example, spotting the gaps and playing the ball in behind the other team's back line. Fabregas is excellent at this. Scholes yesterday did it more in his short time on the pitch than Wilshire did in the entire game.
He'll quite possibly become very good at it in time, but he's not there yet.
He beat three of your lot yesterday just by picking up the ball and running faster round the outside of them.
Good player, very good in fact but as I've said in another thread, would Wilshere have gotten in the Arsenal side ahead of Vieira and Petit, or Gilberto?
Doubt it...
Doubt it...
He's in with a good shout of being better than all of them.
Very big shout considering he's achieved absolutely nothing yet.
I don't see any point in slagging Jack the Lad, he's made exceptional progress in the last year and is on course to be a major player.
I would agree with you but at this stage in his career, would he have gotten in the Arsenal team of 1998/99?
Possibly not but we had a different set up then with Parlour tucked in as a 3rd CM in a nominal 4411. I think we'd have found room for Jack. In any case this is 2011 and we can play him while you agonise over who's the less mediocre - Gibson or Fletcher.
Yeah but those players back then were Champions mentally, that Arsenal side were far more tougher to beat than the Chelsea, Blackburn, Newcastle or Liverpool sides any United teams have faced since 1992.
Arsenal have a plethora of very good Indians, but not nearly enough Chiefs.
Aside from Fabregas, you don't have a Vieira, a Wright, an Henry, Bergkamp, even a Keown (cnut!) who can win you things and lift you when you're down whereas Arsenal had a good few at any one time in the past.
Yeah because our average age is still about 23. The team has matured a lot in the last year and we're nearly there - I still think we'll win the league and then everybody else has a big problem.
You won't win the league, because your team is a bunch of babies, as Evra once put it.
You can't win the League with babies.
Nah it's not that at all, it's because Wenger believes in his own hype which is he constantly finds these amazing kids who come through the ranks and make Arsenal whereas the best Arsenal players (Henry, Overmars, Vieira, Petit, Anelka, Pires) were all actually signed for transfer fees, some of them quite pricey too and they were supplemented by a very good supporting cast.
Your team has a good supporting cast but no decent leading actor; Bendtner and Chamakh? If you had a decent striker to support RVP you'd be top already.
Ga ga goo goo goo goo - come back in May.
Watched him yesterday and thought he was very exceptional. Much better than Anderson, who we great hopes for.
And? Nothing new - only Jack and Gibbsy have come through the yoof (more to come though wait til Chuks hits the straps).
Never heard of Chuks and Gibbs hasn't shown any real promise in my opinion.
Wait until Morrison, King, Keane, Pogba hit the United first team fella!
Wait until Morrison, King, Keane, Pogba hit the United first team fella!
Gibbs is shit, or at least he is shit everytime he plays v United, I would think that wouldnt be good enough for Arsenal but I guess they are content to lose to us regularly
Reminds me of Ferguson talking last week of how Nani had capitalised on Valencia's absence and made more than expected progress because of it. If Fabregas and Ramsey had been available for all Arsenal's games this season Wilshere might still be on the fringes or even on loan. Whether it's 98 or 2011 is kind of irrelevant when a player is taking chances and proving themselves to be good enough.
I hope Ramsey still comes good though - when he was getting his chances before his injury he seemed to be ahead of Wilshere in the pecking order and more likely to establish himself quicker. Seems like the forgotten man now in all this.
He was special, but not that special. Even at 17, it was clear that Messi had a technique of a level that had not been seen in a very long time.
You might win it this year but like all your premier league titles it'll only be because United are in transition. Couple of signings in the summer and we'll win another 3 in a row.
Strangely one of the posts of peterstory that I agree with.
The Rooney of 2-3 years back is what I prefer by a mile.
You have to remember he has been through a heap of shit this season, plus he had the weight of England on his shoulders in the WC, without any real break. Next season i think he will be back to incredible.
I think Wilshere has been exceptional in recent weeks - for someone so young
he's carried himself very well in that team whilst many have been floundering
around him....
if Wilshere were a United player we'd be raving about him........
he's carried himself very well in that team whilst many have been floundering
around him....
if Wilshere were a United player we'd be raving about him........
What is wrong with you?
Rooney at 19 pisses all over Wilshere at 19.
He was absolutely sensational. He had already almost single-handedly made England look quite good at Euros a year back being absolutely superb.
He was far better than Wilshere.
Vieira? No fecking way.
Rooney certainly was better than Wilshere at 19.
Still more of a onetrack player, mind.
Don't see it. His vision and understanding of the game was amazing for one so young. His physical and athletic attributes were fantastic. His passing was superb. And back then he had a brilliant shot from long range and could go past defenders.
The one thing Wilshire is better at, at the same age is his ball control. That he's fantastic at.
Adding to that short passing too, you can't compare Wilshere/Rooney, they play in totally different positions.
Wilshere is already starting for Arsenal and doing very well, and you accept that Rooney was better as a 19 year old.
Surely you must agree then that, talent-wise, Messi and Rooney were comparable at 19? Not to say he was better, obviously.
His ability to keep the ball while under pressure is amazing.Not many midfielders have that never mind typical clumsy english midfielders.
WILSHERE, ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD-CAPELLO
England head coach Fabio Capello admits Jack Wilshere is now one of his first-choice midfielders after just two appearances for his country.
Capello claims Wilshere demonstrated he has "arrived" as one of the best young players in the world after his performances for Arsenal against Barcelona in the Champions League.
On that basis, the 19-year-old looks a prime candidate for next Saturday's Euro 2012 qualifier with Wales in the Millennium Stadium and the friendly with Ghana on March 29 at Wembley.
Wilshere made his debut for his country as a late substitute against Hungary at Wembley in August. He was handed his first start in last month's 2-1 win over Denmark in Copenhagen.
Capello said: "Wilshere, after the game against Barcelona, he has arrived. He has arrived. You can understand the value of that sort of performance. As a young player, I think he is at the top, not only in England but Europe and the world."
When asked if Wilshere was now a first-choice midfielder, Capello said: "Yes, yes, because he is good, because he plays without fear, and with confidence. Also for someone so young, he is a leader. It is incredible. I never saw someone so young be a leader on the pitch. It is incredible."
I bet Pete will have that smug look on him.
England head coach Fabio Capello admits Jack Wilshere is now one of his first-choice midfielders after just two appearances for his country.
Capello claims Wilshere demonstrated he has "arrived" as one of the best young players in the world after his performances for Arsenal against Barcelona in the Champions League.
On that basis, the 19-year-old looks a prime candidate for next Saturday's Euro 2012 qualifier with Wales in the Millennium Stadium and the friendly with Ghana on March 29 at Wembley.
Wilshere made his debut for his country as a late substitute against Hungary at Wembley in August. He was handed his first start in last month's 2-1 win over Denmark in Copenhagen.
Capello said: "Wilshere, after the game against Barcelona, he has arrived. He has arrived. You can understand the value of that sort of performance. As a young player, I think he is at the top, not only in England but Europe and the world."
When asked if Wilshere was now a first-choice midfielder, Capello said: "Yes, yes, because he is good, because he plays without fear, and with confidence. Also for someone so young, he is a leader. It is incredible. I never saw someone so young be a leader on the pitch. It is incredible."
I bet Pete will have that smug look on him.
Anyone see him push Mulumbu into the stands?
He's turning into a right knob.
He's turning into a right knob.
Sounds to me like Rooney was better back then than he is now.
Comparable, maybe but it's the english hype machine. Rooney was already touted as a potential all time great at 16/17. Whilst his talent is unquestionable he lacks consistency, he cant put it all together even now.
Aye he's so different to your typical english midfielder. He really wouldnt look out of place in Spain. Great little player, different to the standard Gerrard/Lampard type player (both great players, my meaning is they are what most english lads aspire to be like where as Wilshere looks a different type of player). IT pains me to say it but the lad is top quality.
Rooney was probably closer talentwise to Messi than he is to Wilshere.
But no, I don't think they were comparable. Rooney was a rare sight in English football as a player who could go on to be the best in the world.
Messi becoming the best in the world was a foregone conclusion at 19. It was more a question of how much further he could take his talent.
What I mean by onetrack player is that Rooney was gifted but not exactly cultured. It was generally a case of 'get ball, run towards goal because I'm ace' and try to make something happen. One track really. He lacked the decisonmaking of knowing when to just pass it or going for more subtle options then his 'force of nature style' at the time. Wilshere has that.
Rooney has that now (or had it anyway. not entirely sure what qualities Rooney has these days), though he seems to have forgotten he was in fact once a force of nature kind of player. He'd do well to remember that he can be that.
Yup, he needs to cut it out. It happened in December, he had to do community service for it.
Completely disagree. Rooney has probably the best young football mind I've seen along with Fabregas.
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