Film Wonder Woman 1984

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Well, I didn't give consent. But then again, how did the ghost take control over my body in the first place?
Magic, You didn't consent to that either though.

You also have no memory of it whatsoever.

That's basically the premise of the Wonder Woman thing.
 

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Magic, You didn't consent to that either though.

You also have no memory of it whatsoever.

That's basically the premise of the Wonder Woman thing.
I guess if the roles were reversed I'd find it shitty. So yeah, it's shitty.
 

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Wait, there was a rape scene? :nervous:
Not really. Maybe? Kinda?

I dunno. It's definitely an odd choice from the female director of a Wonder Woman film made in 2020.
 

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It's just the way it's done when it could have been avoided so easily. Either don't indicate they slept together or even better, not to use a random person and essentially have no worries about taking the life away from said person until they realised it has to be reversed to move the plot on.

It really did felt rushed and added which Is bizarre given how long the movie goes on for
 

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It wasn't a great fight scene but i can understand why WB pushed for its inclusion if they did. Without it Wonder Woman wouldn't have actually did much fighting over the 2 and a half hours runtime.
It's odd that the first and second had a similar run time given the flow of the two movies

I get what you're saying though but I do wonder what patty had in mind. Guessing it might have still included a fight but not CGI heavy
 

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I sat through half of it and decided it wasn’t worth my time.

They went for over the top camp plus some heavy handed love is everything but it doesn’t work, there’s no real flow to the film and characters don’t feel dynamic, they are just there in a series of scenes acting out their part.

Quite a disappointment tbh. Even the manifestation of physical perfection that is Gal Gadot couldn’t make this watchable.

Re: the rape thing, seems like they tried to emulate the Meet Joe Black scenario, problem is the owner of the body in MJB was dead prior to the takeover.
 

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Not really. Maybe? Kinda?

I dunno. It's definitely an odd choice from the female director of a Wonder Woman film made in 2020.
Yeah there was a few ways to write that without going down the route that they did. But has anyone or group been very vocal about the rape scene?

I’m also still a little confused as to why his “soul” came back into another body and why not just bring him back completely? Not sure if that was ever explained? (Maybe I just wasn’t paying attention).

edit: maybe I’ll spoiler that
 

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Wonder Woman being so love-struck over a guy she knew for a few days, 50 odd years ago is also strange to me.

Not very "Wonder-Womany".
 

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I thought Jenkins had been very shrewd with the previous entry, in constructing it entirely around Gadot’s weaknesses - making her a confused fish out of water so that her simplistic delivery came across as sincere naivety, and making the whole Amazonian supporting cast ape her accent rather than let her attempt one...and in fairness to her, this film massively backs up how smart a move that was! ‘Cos this one gives her stuff to actually act, and boy can she not do it!

Just a giant incoherent mess of a superhero film with hardly any superheroing, helmed by a lead actress that can’t act, a love interest that aggressively undermines both the film’s pseudo-feminism and its plot (why does he get zapped into the body of some rando, who Wonder Woman then essentially rapes, when the MaGuffin is shown repeatedly to be able to simply materialise shit!?) and a story-line that seems to have been written during an improv workshop, where the writers tried to out “yes, and...” the next escalating plot development rather than expand on anything they’d set up (Was the prologue where Diana was chastised for taking a short-cut from a completely different version of the film where not taking short cuts was actually a thematic element that carried through? Or did they just think the slide looked cool?!... or was the shortcut “dont wish your dead 70 year old boyfriend back to life to feck in the hollowed out husk of a yuppie, when you could maybe, I dunno, try and feck the actual yuppie??”... is that what that last scene was about!!??? I mean, it’s a stretch, admittedly.. but then, what WAS it about!? And why was it Christmas all of a sudden?? Or was that simply ash from the nuclear fallout of all those warheads exploding in the sky!?... does everyone remember all of this?? WHAT WAS HAPPENING!!!!?? )
Some criticism of the body rape has been popping up now: https://collider.com/wonder-woman-1984-steve-trevor-return-explained/

And yes, Gadot can not act. Basing the climax around her having to give a monologue was a downright terrible idea.
 

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I'm still confused why a female who was being harassed during every stretch of a run to the point a guy who did it before and didn't lean his lesson as she turned the tables, was meant to be a villain.

I mean she was stopping a guy she made out with (basically her first?) From being killed? Murdered? Is that what wonder Woman was going to do?

Dammit, I actually thought the movie wasn't bad (albeit long) so maybe I need to keep that thought in my head, be ignorant to the rest and not think about it for more than a second
 

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I wonder if there will ever be a movie about an average looking super hero.

Not that I take offense, I don't mind watch Gal Gadot prance around in her silly outfit. Just wondering. I mean it seems appropriate, she's called wonder woman after all.
 

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Some criticism of the body rape has been popping up now: https://collider.com/wonder-woman-1984-steve-trevor-return-explained/

And yes, Gadot can not act. Basing the climax around her having to give a monologue was a downright terrible idea.
There’s just absolutely no need for it either... the film clearly establishes that the stupid mind-rock-wish-thingy-man can materialise stuff out of thin air... we see it ACTUALLY DO THAT at one point, and a major plot escalation revolves around President Johnathan Creek-Man wishing for more nukes, and a shit load more just magically appearing (not “appearing in the body of other weapons”)

So I can only conclude someone was just really invested in this whole random yuppie rape angle...they really wanted that in the film.
 

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Is everything still tinted bluey-grey like in every other DC movie, for some fecking reason?
 

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A very bad take on a Thor Ragnarok inspired superhero style comedy with a romantic twist this might be the worst superhero movie I have seen and I have seen all. A pretty actress and Hans Zimmer isn't enough to save a disaster movie...
 

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Wait so, the rape scene is the fact that she fecks her boyfriend while he's in another body? Either Im missing some context or Im a very desensitized person and dont seem to be very outraged?
 

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Think the rape stuff is overblown, who of us here has not had sex with a reincarnated loved one thanks to a magical stone
 

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Here is hoping Patty Jenkins isn't involved in the writing for the third one. First one was pretty decent when she was only directing, the writing in the second one was a disaster.
 

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i get stuff on some of these sites recommended by google, most of which is star wars or trek clickbait. (based on the reception to the movie here, and the insane praise on them) - are they uniformly terrible sites? is RLM's nerd crew too subtle in its parody?
 

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Well yeah i've had a loved one come back reincarnated in someone else's body thanks to a magical item. But it was my Granny so....
I could probably block that out if she came back like Gal Gadot..
 

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Kinda yeah if you think about it. Steve trevor is technically in another persons body and they do there thing at some point. But it's ok because she's a woman. :angel:
Yeah, agreed :nervous:

Not even sure what purpose, other than a possible contentious rape scene, he was made to come back in another guys body. It wasn’t even explained in the movie, iirc, either!
 

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I somehow watched both these films back to back.... and I don't know why. I knew, and mean, knew that the Wonder Woman hype was overblown due to it being a moderately decent entry in the otherwise woeful Snyder-verse.... but my goodness, this one was back on form. Why do I punish myself? I'm back to ignoring this world.

Though as horrifically bad and silly as it is, some of the criticism of it, like, well, yeah, the 'rape', really really sums up a lot about the current fad of really truly over-analyzing films. Maybe I'm wrong, but meh.
 

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No one is actually outraged about the “rape”... it’s just an amusingly bad, weird and completely unnecessary wrinkle in a film that already has very confused sexual politics. As with all “over analysing” - if it was a good film, with well explained or depicted oddities, no one would care... but when its a car crash of nonsense, the stupid shit is less forgivable.

This is not hard
 

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No one is actually outraged about the “rape”... it’s just an amusingly bad, weird and completely unnecessary wrinkle in a film that already has very confused sexual politics. As with all “over analysing” - if it was a good film, with well explained or depicted oddities, no one would care... but when its a car crash of nonsense, the stupid shit is less forgivable.

This is not hard
I'm more outraged at the editing.

There's scenes where it cuts to close up side views (and they've obviously used another take), when the person talking isn't even moving their lips (for example, the early scene where Diana meets mando and he's talking about dancing or something. They zoom in on a close up, presumably in an effort to cut out his mouth, and it's just him smiling...as he's talking :lol:).

As you say, in a better film we may notice these things less. However, in this shambles every little thing is so terribly done it can't help but stand out.
 

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I wonder what the director & producers themselves think of the movie. Did they watch it and think "yeah this is totally it, this is great, they'll love it".

I really wonder how that goes.
 

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I somehow watched both these films back to back.... and I don't know why. I knew, and mean, knew that the Wonder Woman hype was overblown due to it being a moderately decent entry in the otherwise woeful Snyder-verse.... but my goodness, this one was back on form. Why do I punish myself? I'm back to ignoring this world.

Though as horrifically bad and silly as it is, some of the criticism of it, like, well, yeah, the 'rape', really really sums up a lot about the current fad of really truly over-analyzing films. Maybe I'm wrong, but meh.
To be fair I don’t think you can over analyse insanely stupid plot points in a clusterfeck of a film like this one. When there isn’t much positive things in the story to talk about.

The writing from start to finish is a mess.
 

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Thought it was genuinely atrocious. It boggles the mind that DC has arguably a greater pool of source material to draw from compared to Marvel yet they keep fecking it up. This would be the worst film in the MCU by a country mile if you ask me, and despite all the praise it got upon release the first WW would be a bottom 5 MCU film given how mind numbingly stupid its 3rd act was.

DC needs to find their Feige; until then they'll just be spinning their wheels.