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I wouldn't be surprised if the whole family is drawing a massive wage from the club too.Are we not also paying the Glazers directors fees/salaries as well?
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole family is drawing a massive wage from the club too.Are we not also paying the Glazers directors fees/salaries as well?
Mate, why in the blue hell are you mentioning Roma, Napoli, Lazio and Newcastle in the same breath as Manchester United? It's absolute mental to do so!No its not. Clubs like Roma, Napoli, Newcastle and Lazio are local based ie they are built around a region or even a city. Their club's price reflect that. Fans tend to be fewer but they are far more loyal, the sponsors they attract tend to factor that as well etc. United on the other hand is a world renowned brand. It requires far more investment to sustain and it rely more on success then that of Roma or Napoli. However the benefits and the profits are far bigger.
This team require urgent investment and it also requires football people who know what they are doing. Instead the Glazers are reluctant in putting their hands in their pockets and seem paralysed in replacing the bankers who created this mess with experienced football people to take football related decision making
Are we not also paying the Glazers directors fees/salaries as well?
I guess so
That's what dividends are?I wouldn't be surprised if the whole family is drawing a massive wage from the club too.
My mistake, I should not have mentioned deadwood and Romero in the same sentence. The likes of Arsenal and Chelsea moving on their surplus players makes our Board look totally inept.Bit harsh calling Romero deadwood, he has always given his best when called on
At this point, I won't be surprised if the likes of Lingard, Pereira and Jones are offered new and improved contracts this season to "preserve" their market value.This is a situation we have created ourselves - by stupidly offering new and improved contracts to certain players.
Mate, why in the blue hell are you mentioning Roma, Napoli, Lazio and Newcastle in the same breath as Manchester United? It's absolute mental to do so!
They do not have anywhere near the level of supporter base United do, its in completely different galaxies. We have a huge supporter base globally, especially in America and even more so across Asia! There are estimates of roughly 500-600m supporters of the club globally and you put us in the same bracket as Newcastle?
Again, the board have spent over 1b now since 2010 on transfers, I believe only Chelsea and Real have spent more than us, City are a maybe... It wouldn't really be much of a difference. We sit easily in the top 5 spending clubs anyway so where are you getting this notion we haven't spent enough?
We have a good football set up with Ole and his coaches I firmly believe that.
I also think that you're overrate our fan base. If you think our fan base will remain as big as it is after years fighting to get in the CL then you're deluded. Football is entertainment and life for most people is already miserable enough without having to follow a club who can't even beat Sevilla. Most old timers like myself will still support the club but the interest will wane substantially through time. In fact supporters clubs are already feeling the pinch. Meanwhile its going to be more difficult to persuade the new generation of supporters to support us. We're already old news.The same argument could be made for absolutely any club.
From: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/...919005426/a2239626z20-f.htm#bg18701a_main_tocThat's what dividends are?
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dividend.asp?ad=dirN&qo=investopediaSiteSearch&qsrc=0&o=40186
Of course they are going to get paid
All owners take money from the clubs they buy for god sake!
Quite the day dreaming and thinking other PL club owners are bleeding themselves dry and out of pocket.
Not sure when Swiss Ramble's tweet was from Delivish but it isn't entirely true either.... City's owners took a tidy sum of 389m within the last year.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...cent-share-us-private-equity-firm-silver-lake
Not sure that alludes to dividends... As we paid around £22m in 2019.Directors and Executive Management Compensation
The compensation for each member of our executive management is comprised of the following elements: base salary, bonus, contractual benefits and pension contributions. The total amount of compensation (including share-based payments) paid or payable and benefits in kind provided to the members of our board of directors and our executive management employees for the fiscal year 2019 was £10,729,000. We do not currently maintain any bonus or profit-sharing plan for the benefit of the members of our executive management, however, certain members of our executive management are eligible to receive annual bonuses (including share-based awards) pursuant to the terms of their service agreements. The total amount set aside or accrued by us to provide pension, retirement or similar benefits to our directors and our executive management employees with respect to the fiscal year 2019 was £20,000.
There used to be a feeling that if we were doing well then they would do well on the back of us and there's obviously truth to that. However I think as time has gone on its become plainly obvious they are reasonably pleased if we're finishing top 4 and filling OT each week. That way it brings in the maximum amounts of money possible from competitions and sponsors. And any cup we win on top is a bonus.I honestly do not understand how anyone can genuinely believe the Glazers want Manchester United to challenge for titles, they do not give a single f*ck once their personal bank balance is healthy. Challenging for titles is not worth the required investment, the prize money is not lucrative enough. Champions League qualification is where the best value for money earnings are made. The club is a top four challenger now and will continue to be so under Glazers. This is fact. Either accept it or hound the Glazers out.
There’s no point buying for the sake of it I’d rather we got good top quality players in at the right price than just spunking millions on players that will be deadwood in two years time.I honestly do not understand how anyone can genuinely believe the Glazers want Manchester United to challenge for titles, they do not give a single f*ck once their personal bank balance is healthy. Challenging for titles is not worth the required investment, the prize money is not lucrative enough. Champions League qualification is where the best value for money earnings are made. The club is a top four challenger now and will continue to be so under Glazers. This is fact. Either accept it or hound the Glazers out.
I'm sure You know the difference between taking dividends and selling stocks, don't you?That's what dividends are?
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dividend.asp?ad=dirN&qo=investopediaSiteSearch&qsrc=0&o=40186
Of course they are going to get paid
All owners take money from the clubs they buy for god sake!
Quite the day dreaming and thinking other PL club owners are bleeding themselves dry and out of pocket.
Not sure when Swiss Ramble's tweet was from Delivish but it isn't entirely true either.... City's owners took a tidy sum of 389m within the last year.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...cent-share-us-private-equity-firm-silver-lake
Agreed. Pretty damning on the Glazers as well.It’d certainly go against what “the huge debt inflicted onto the club isn’t an issue anymore, in fact it’s a benefit as it means we don’t pay taxes” crowd have been preaching.
Will he get a testimonial for his services to the bench? He certainly deserves the small fortune he has picked up in wages. Maybe the Glazers like him because he’s similarly aesthetically challenged.Sergio Romero contract expires 2021
Diogo Dalot contract expires 2023
Phil Jones contract expires 2023, that's right 20 and fecking 23
Chris Smalling contract expires 2022
Jesse Lingard contract expires 2021
Andreas Pereira contract expires 2023
Juan Mata contract expires 2021 with year option.
This is terrifying when you look at some of the wages as well.
Smalling's a decent squad option considering our CB's injury record. Having Lingard around if(when) we fail to sign Sancho is better than nothing. Let him go next year when we hopefully do manage to sign Sancho (or someone else). Mata we should let go for free next season. Provides experience and is a top bloke so a good role model for our youngsters. Romero is a good third keeper but there's a chance he'll be sold/let go. Dalot isn't on a huge contract and could still come good or be sold. Pereira and Jones are bigger issues. Can't see us offloading them to be honest. Especially Jones.Sergio Romero contract expires 2021
Diogo Dalot contract expires 2023
Phil Jones contract expires 2023, that's right 20 and fecking 23
Chris Smalling contract expires 2022
Jesse Lingard contract expires 2021
Andreas Pereira contract expires 2023
Juan Mata contract expires 2021 with year option.
This is terrifying when you look at some of the wages as well.
I agree with you on that mateMy mistake, I should not have mentioned deadwood and Romero in the same sentence. The likes of Arsenal and Chelsea moving on their surplus players makes our Board look totally inept.
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I believe Jones has said he doesn't feel he deserves a testimonial and also notes the vitriol he's received from fans over the years has influenced his desire not to have one.Will he get a testimonial for his services to the bench? He certainly deserves the small fortune he has picked up in wages. Maybe the Glazers like him because he’s similarly aesthetically challenged.
He was awful for the Nets apparently mainly due to spending lots of money on garbage. Still...all aboard!?
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Can he buy the club in timee to fund Sancho Thiago and Upamecano? If so I’m on boardHe was awful for the Nets apparently mainly due to spending lots of money on garbage. Still...all aboard!?
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Man Utd are delighted to announce...Sergio Romero contract expires 2021
Diogo Dalot contract expires 2023
Phil Jones contract expires 2023, that's right 20 and fecking 23
Chris Smalling contract expires 2022
Jesse Lingard contract expires 2021
Andreas Pereira contract expires 2023
Juan Mata contract expires 2021 with year option.
This is terrifying when you look at some of the wages as well.
I am sure they do it to irritate.Man Utd are delighted to announce...
Or because those are the only contracts Woodward is competent enough to get done.I am sure they do it to irritate.
Very likely. Players who know they will never get that sort of pay elsewhere and can spend the rest of their career sitting on the bench. It is basically being paid to play practice games and do a bit of gym work. Nice work if you can get it.Or because those are the only contracts Woodward is competent enough to get done.
I made the any club comment in regards to success and investing from what I can recall, busy day so if if I'm wrong so be it.I also think that you're overrate our fan base. If you think our fan base will remain as big as it is after years fighting to get in the CL then you're deluded. Football is entertainment and life for most people is already miserable enough without having to follow a club who can't even beat Sevilla. Most old timers like myself will still support the club but the interest will wane substantially through time. In fact supporters clubs are already feeling the pinch. Meanwhile its going to be more difficult to persuade the new generation of supporters to support us. We're already old news.
In reality our income is high enough to support higher spending. This has always been the case due to our large fanbase. Which was there before 2005.our net spend is only behind city for the past 5 years and same with our wage bill, and considering they are banked rolled by a country and basically use the club as propaganda tool, that's not exactly something to be ashamed of. We have 3 of the top 5 British transfers of all time, handed out the biggest contract in premier league history to Sanchez.
The spending has been fine, its just been spent badly. People are just having a paddy because we are refusing to pay more money then any Premier league club has ever paid for a player, which considering we are in the middle of a pandemic and economic crsis likely to be worse than anything anyone ever seen and no one really no just how big the effects on football are going to be long term, is hardly criminal.
I don't agree that just going we spent a shed tone of money and made a mess of it so now we should throw more money at the problem because that hasn't worked. We have a massive squad, very few of whom look inclined to leave. We have 7 first team center backs and people are saying we should sign another. At some point, you need to say hang on we need to sort out the mess we have before start adding to it. We need to make sure what we spend going forward is spent more wisely. To be there we have spent more wisely over the last 18 months, though I still think Maguire was a mistake for that kind of fee. But we are still handing out stupid contracts, (De Gea, Matic) and I'm guessing we will do the same to Pogba.
Even if we spend more going forward will make absolutely no difference if we continue to manage the squad as badly as we have over the last decade. And that needs to be where the criticism should be, not we need to spend our way out of the mess we have spent our way into.
Here is an example for you.How are the mistakes "theirs" in terms of who is signed and isn't?
Are you telling me the Glazer family scouted Bailly? Lindelof? Mikhataryan? etc etc etc
Ultimately, that is down to the football side of things on who is signed or isn't.
Woodward has openly stated that scouting was an issue and it has been addressed in terms of staff numbers and roles they play. The manager works with the scouting team and picks out suitable targets.
Basically its on Judge to negotiate deals and Woodward to sign the cheque.
How exactly then is it on Judge / Woodward who is signed?
I absolutely do, regardless they profited from the club. It's more so the narrative that is spun that other club owners are bottomless pits are in this out of the goodness of their hearts and don't want to make profits from their investments. Of course they do, every owner will demand a return on investment.I'm sure You know the difference between taking dividends and selling stocks, don't you?
When you take dividends basically you take money from the club profits directly in your pocket, instead of paying for debt or to reinvest in the club. While selling stock share is something completely different, the club earnings and profits remains untouched to be reinvested in the club. They just sold 10% of their ownership.
And no, not every club in football world pay dividends to its owners. Actually, it's extremely rare.
Whilst I do tend to agree somewhat with your sentiments in terms of the differences in the managers being hired here and it being counter productive, the reality is LVG was not working and again the best available man was who? Jose.Here is an example for you.
Woodward made LVG manager, a possession based style, spent hundreds of millions on players to suit that style. Then sacked LVG and hired Mourinho, anti possesion style. Meaning the players we had just spent millions on did not suit this new style. So we started again from scratch.
Wasting money. No succession plan because Woodward was/is clueless about football. Putting debt on the club, effectively reducing our spending power.
So now we wave green and gold scarves and that would mean Woodward and Glazers just go away, because that's what fans want now.This is before we get into the fact that we had supporters waving Jose scarves and flags at OT with LVG as manager still for god sake!
You got what you sang for and then piss, moan and sulk when it doesn't work out.
We are now Arsenal v 2.0.I honestly do not understand how anyone can genuinely believe the Glazers want Manchester United to challenge for titles, they do not give a single f*ck once their personal bank balance is healthy. Challenging for titles is not worth the required investment, the prize money is not lucrative enough. Champions League qualification is where the best value for money earnings are made. The club is a top four challenger now and will continue to be so under Glazers. This is fact. Either accept it or hound the Glazers out.
I absolutely do, regardless they profited from the club. It's more so the narrative that is spun that other club owners are bottomless pits are in this out of the goodness of their hearts and don't want to make profits from their investments. Of course they do, every owner will demand a return on investment.
Aside from this tidy sum of profit they also had approx £300m sitting on their books as "deferred payments". Essentially debt on debt on the books they've not addressed.
I never said every club in the world pays dividends, simply that they take dividends.
All owners take money from the clubs they buy for god sake!
A football club needs a clear long term strategy and succession plan. If the board are making decisions based on some perceived flag waving, then they are grossly incompetent.Whilst I do tend to agree somewhat with your sentiments in terms of the differences in the managers being hired here and it being counter productive, the reality is LVG was not working and again the best available man was who? Jose.
This is before we get into the fact that we had supporters waving Jose scarves and flags at OT with LVG as manager still for god sake!
You got what you sang for and then piss, moan and sulk when it doesn't work out.
What's his record like?He didn't know about basketball. It's still just a rumor, but check his record as a CSKA Moscow owner.
Yeah nail on head. Their priorities just aren't winning trophies. Our team/squad/manager would have to perform out of their skin for top 4 never mind how much they'd have to overachieve to win anything.We're nearly at a point where we have to say enough is enough. This is almost a carbon copy of the 2018 summer transfer window where our only signings were Fred and Dalot, which of course set Mourinho up for failure after he managed a hard-fought 2nd place finish the season before, and the same could be about to happen to Solskjaer. It leads one to believe that our owners are only willing to invest when our top 4 revenue is at stake.