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  1. May 8, 2019

    caid Full Member

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    A team of Ozil's could do a lot of things, what they will do is another matter. I agree coaching is paramount, but it falls apart pretty quickly when you have a lot of insubordinate, difficult to motivate players. Or older, less mobile players like Barcelona (who granted, could try harder). Personally i think you can and should have 11 players who can and are willing to work their balls off, whatever their ability. We dont have that atm and attempts to create a high pressing team out of what we have is a tall order imo.
    We should be moving in that direction.
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    Buster15 Full Member

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    I was about to say pretty much the same thing but you beat me to it.
    You must have fitter fingers.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    All other English teams have warriors running their socks off in big games while our heavy paid clowns can't bring themselves to press a little against the team at the bottom of the league table.

    Fecking crap.
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    shahzadi Full Member

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    Its so depressing...
    Ole should really sell all these clowns, no matter who it is.

    And its attitude, desires and effort that beat total football after all...
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    Patrick08 New Member

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    We have unfit and lazy players or players who have just lost the engine.
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    Treble Full Member

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    Ajax ran 118 km, Spurs 115.
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    Patrick08 New Member

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    It's not about running stats.. But second ball stats. the goal is to win more second balls through work rate.
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    Spurs had more possession. Both teams worked their socks off. Spurs made Ajax do more work as they chased the ball all second half. It was immense as a spectacle. Wonder what the running stats were last night? If I was a Barca fan I’m sure I’d be disgusted with theirs.
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    Treble Full Member

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    Yeah, I agree. My point was that both teams ran a lot, not only Ajax.
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    Rory 7 Full Member

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    Funny enough I texted a Pool supporting mate of mine at 2-2 that Spurs fitness would get them over the line in the end!
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    deafepl New Member

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    I think I saw Liverpool ran more 6km than Barca
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    We don't fail to press because we lack dynamic players, nor due to having difficult characters. We are shit at it rather simply because we DONT train it tactically.
    We employ school boy pressing. Just running after the ball, simply hoping to win the ball by sheer numbers and work rate. That is why we have this nonsense of one guy 'leading the press'. We never close up passing lanes. Never form groups with which to press with. Make no real effort to make it easier to win second balls how we set up. Never have an urgency with how we hunt for the ball after we lose it. Often preffering to relying on shape rather than proactive tact.

    People need to remember Barca and spain dominated the world for half a decade employing snails like Xabi Alonso, Xavi and Busquets with OK paced men like Iniesta. Playing some of the best high press football of all time. They never ever relied on athleticism. They instead relied on tactics and fitness.

    That is what I'm hoping Ole and company will drum into our team next season. From pre season and beyond
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    Kush Full Member

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    Fantastic post, I completely agree.
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    Its embarassing whatever way you look at it. The running stats from Oles first few months werent anything crazy. They were exactly what you expect at a big club. Nothing unsustainable about it, yet they dropped like flies and reverted to type after that. That's why I have a hard time blaming Ole too much.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...man-united-covered-more-distance-than-chelsea
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    izec Full Member

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    Would be nice to see the stats of every team on first matchday
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    We need an Essien in our Midfield.
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    He’d be perfect
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    SqualorVictoria New Member

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    Not sure if he'd be of any help; already 36 and seemed to lost his mojo at just the age of 30 while being at Real Madrid.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Haven't seen anywhere. Usually in PL site player comparison, it is mentioned but its not updated for this season.
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    BeforeKeanetherewasRobson Full Member

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    I'm guessing they mean a player LIKE him rather than him specifically? :)
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    Essien like. I meant.
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    stepic Full Member

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    did you just ignore the word 'an' from his sentence?
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    Crackers Coolest Cracker in the box Scout

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    Seems likely
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    Well isn't Essien an Essien too? :lol: Anyway, sorry for the shit joke I made as it obviously got lost in the context. Apologies!
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    To calculate if the distance we run is correct ?
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    Any excuse to post this image :lol:

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    lysglimt Full Member

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    It's been so long I can't recall - but which year was it he calculated that Chelsea would win ?
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    I think it was 2006/2007 season, when we won our first title in 3 years
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    Bastian Full Member

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    I guess I should address this here rather than the Ole thread.

    Where can I find stats on our games in the league so far? Distance covered, sprints, etc.?
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    KennyBurner New Member

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    Im also very curious. Seems like when our best players dont play (martial/pogba) we revert back to sitting deep and not trying to attack.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    So. How is this table looking right now? Anyone got any idea?

    It’s difficult to see much evidence of Ole’s influence on the pitch but he’s talked about workrate from day one so this stat should provide objective evidence.

    If not, well....
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Woah. Great minds. Didn’t realise this was already bumped.
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    Raw Full Member

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    I imagine it'd be higher, but not like top 4. There have been games where we've definitely worked harder, it's just lacking the finishing touches and quality in the final third.
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    I'm gonna stick my neck out and say we're mid-table
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    I'd say in the last third of the table even
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    We need to get players back quickly. What's the latest on Rashford's injury, anyone.
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    tomaldinho1 Full Member

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    Bingo

    Pressing is about predicting/influencing where the opponent will pass the ball and then, once the ball is in those areas, cutting of passing lanes to force errors or a long ball. Ole has no history of this, nor do any of our coaches, so I don't see how he's going to implement without it being reliant on just watching other teams and trying to work out how they do it.

    We need more direction, if the board have decided that this style is what they want - there are plenty of mangers out there who are known for this type of philosophy and who should have been approached. The fact Ole knows the club is detrimental because it means his go-to ideas are just counter attacking, hard work and pacey players which is the football of a decade ago.
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    Rajma Full Member

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    This is pretty basic stuff and I’m amazed that we haven’t progressed in this area at all and instead relying on running around like headless chickens.