Film Worst Oscar snubs of all time?

Green_Red

New Member
Joined
May 29, 2013
Messages
10,296
It’s an Ok film, squarely in the tradition of ‘white man joins a group of ‘primitive’ non-white people and does their culture better than them’ (see also the Last Samurai, A Man Called Horse etc etc). Goodfellas is a much much better film.

If you mean that Dances with Wolves is more the kind of film that the backwards Academy would like, then I can’t disagree.
Don't you mean the "white man accepts other peoples culture and sees errors of his ways, even though his job is to wipe them out" genre, see also Last Samurai.
 

NasirTimothy

New Member
Joined
Jan 4, 2021
Messages
2,388
Supports
Enyimba F.C.
Don't you mean the "white man accepts other peoples culture and sees errors of his ways, even though his job is to wipe them out" genre, see also Last Samurai.
Only if you’re looking on the surface
 

Tiber

Full Member
Joined
Apr 22, 2014
Messages
10,263
Di Caprio not winning best actor for Wolf of Wall Street was a joke.

But then the whole awards system is a sad joke.
 

Spark

Full Member
Joined
Jan 13, 2012
Messages
2,246
It's most definitely a snub. Forrest Gump is a fun movie, but it doesn't have the same depth or even entertainment value(imo) as Shawshank.
Yeah fair, to be honest was definitely being generous to Forrest Gump.

Shawshank is one of the most rewatchable films ever. That and Gladiator (which was rightly not snubbed).
 

bsCallout

New Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2017
Messages
4,278
Yeah, I think it's Miyazaki's 4th best film, only behind Spirited Away, Porco Rosso and Princess Mononoke. It's a worthy ending to his career and a nice "redemption" after that shite Ponyo :p



Which is bullshit, as the category is not called "best film for kids" :p

Granted, the academy is not alone in not respecting animated films. There is a severe lack of animation on this semi-famous list for instance: https://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films_table.php
Couldn't get through spirited away so you've put me off trying The Wind Rises.
 

OleBoiii

New Member
Joined
Oct 4, 2019
Messages
6,021
Couldn't get through spirited away so you've put me off trying The Wind Rises.
They're wildly different films. In fact, The Wind Rises is quite different from most of Miyazaki's films. It's definitely his most political film. It's basically an historical WW2 drama with some fantastical elements/dream sequences sprinkled in a few places. I'd argue that it's his most mature film, as I don't think most kids would be able to enjoy it.

Having said all of the above: how dare you not love Spirited Away?! :p
 

Chairman Steve

Full Member
Joined
May 9, 2018
Messages
7,047
Saving Private Ryan losing out to Shakespeare in Love for Best Picture is the worst one I can think of. That was a Harvey Weinstein manipulation job too, as Shakespeare in Love was a Miramax movie.

But you shouldn’t get too involved with Oscars too much. Hollywood and the movie industry in general is weird, weird place.
 

Vidyoyo

The bad "V"
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
21,326
Location
Not into locations = will not dwell
They're wildly different films. In fact, The Wind Rises is quite different from most of Miyazaki's films. It's definitely his most political film. It's basically an historical WW2 drama with some fantastical elements/dream sequences sprinkled in a few places. I'd argue that it's his most mature film, as I don't think most kids would be able to enjoy it.

Having said all of the above: how dare you not love Spirited Away?! :p
The Wind Rises is more political than My Neighbour Totoro? :houllier:

I don't think you will but don't take me seriously.
 

OleBoiii

New Member
Joined
Oct 4, 2019
Messages
6,021
The Wind Rises is more political than My Neighbour Totoro? :houllier:

I don't think you will but don't take me seriously.
The Wind Rises = War is bad, mkay?
My Neighbor Totoro = Beware of fat furries recruiting your kids in the countryside.

EDIT:
Princess Mononoke is actually the most political, now that I think about it.
 

Vidyoyo

The bad "V"
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
21,326
Location
Not into locations = will not dwell
The Wind Rises = War is bad, mkay?
My Neighbor Totoro = Beware of fat furries recruiting your kids in the countryside.

EDIT:
Princess Mononoke is actually the most political, now that I think about it.
Quickly, as I'm just going to bed. I find Nausicaa and Mononoke more political in the sense they're strongly environmentalist films. The Wind Rises has elements of politics but I thought it was more a cross between humanism and politics - in the sense it's more about the lead character's personal dream of building planes, which happens to tie Imperial Japanese ambition too.

I'll have to go back and watch it as it's been a while.
 

NasirTimothy

New Member
Joined
Jan 4, 2021
Messages
2,388
Supports
Enyimba F.C.
Saving Private Ryan losing out to Shakespeare in Love for Best Picture is the worst one I can think of. That was a Harvey Weinstein manipulation job too, as Shakespeare in Love was a Miramax movie.

But you shouldn’t get too involved with Oscars too much. Hollywood and the movie industry in general is weird, weird place.
I quite liked Shakespeare in Love and I didn’t think Saving Private Ryan was as strong overall as everyone made out, though the war scenes were obviously very well done. Surely there was something else in contention that year that was better than both of those?
 

Tarrou

Full Member
Joined
May 13, 2013
Messages
25,620
Location
Sydney
they routinely snub the best movies every year, my list would be endless
 

Sweet Square

Full Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2013
Messages
23,557
Location
The Zone
Don't you mean the "white man accepts other peoples culture and sees errors of his ways, even though his job is to wipe them out" genre, see also Last Samurai.
Still the best review of this movie




I quite liked Shakespeare in Love and I didn’t think Saving Private Ryan was as strong overall as everyone made out, though the war scenes were obviously very well done. Surely there was something else in contention that year that was better than both of those?
Yeah the opening 10 minutes are a amazing bit of film making but everything after is a pretty standard war movie.
 

OleBoiii

New Member
Joined
Oct 4, 2019
Messages
6,021
I find Nausicaa and Mononoke more political in the sense they're strongly environmentalist films. The Wind Rises has elements of politics but I thought it was more a cross between humanism and politics - in the sense it's more about the lead character's personal dream of building planes, which happens to tie Imperial Japanese ambition too.
Nausicaa is also very political in an environmental sense, yeah. Mononoke has a multitude of political themes, but environmentalism is probably the biggest one.

Like you said, the anti-war sentiments in The Wind Rises are actually secondary. The main theme(which I find very interesting) is the internal conflict of a creative genius and how the ones in power abuse this creativity to create weapons. Do you quit your job for ethical reasons or do you follow your dreams and hope that some good come out of it as well? The film is loosely based on a real person, but in many ways it feels like Miyazaki's personal story in the sense that he very easily can identify with the protagonist.
 

KirkDuyt

Full Member
Joined
Nov 25, 2015
Messages
24,520
Location
Dutchland
Supports
Feyenoord
Leo never winning one for the countless fantastic movies, but then getting the pity nod for doing a porno with a bear.
 

11101

Full Member
Joined
Aug 26, 2014
Messages
21,280
Not sure if it’s a snub, as was a strong year, but Shawshank losing out to Forrest Gump in every category was harsh in my opinion. Gump is a classic obviously, but Shawshank is just the all time greatest and is clearly the better film.
I don't think you could argue too strongly between Shawshank, Forrest Gump or Pulp Fiction that year. All three are classics and all three are still good today.

Di Caprio is the main one, though i don't think he's ever been especially extraordinary in a film. He's often very good but you never forget it's him you're watching.
 

Conor

Full Member
Joined
Feb 19, 2011
Messages
5,529
Not a snub, but that recent movie with Francis McDormand was so incredibly average, it shouldn't have been anywhere near Oscar nominations.
 
Last edited:

BusbyMalone

First Man Falling
Joined
May 22, 2017
Messages
10,362
I don't think you could argue too strongly between Shawshank, Forrest Gump or Pulp Fiction that year. All three are classics and all three are still good today.

Di Caprio is the main one, though i don't think he's ever been especially extraordinary in a film. He's often very good but you never forget it's him you're watching.
I have this problem with Tom Hanks. Good actor, but it's Tom Hanks no matter how much he tries to persuade me otherwise.
 

Spark

Full Member
Joined
Jan 13, 2012
Messages
2,246
I don't think you could argue too strongly between Shawshank, Forrest Gump or Pulp Fiction that year. All three are classics and all three are still good today.

Di Caprio is the main one, though i don't think he's ever been especially extraordinary in a film. He's often very good but you never forget it's him you're watching.
I'd say Shawshank is easily the best out of the three. Gump/Pulp Fiction is much harder to call.

An absolutely cracking year though, no doubt. Compared to some other winners mentioned in this thread, all three could easily be winners at any other time.

Saying that, Kevin Spacey had a hattrick of epic films that I'm not sure did as well as they should (although haven't actually looked it up): Usual Suspects (95), Seven (95), LA Noir (97).

American Beauty then rightly smashed. Shame he's a wrongun.
 

Ekkie Thump

Full Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2013
Messages
3,883
Supports
Leeds United
Ennio Morricone having to wait until he was 88 years old to win an Oscar and for it then to only be for a rehashed score he originally composed for The Thing in 1982.
 

Inigo Montoya

Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!
Joined
Oct 1, 2008
Messages
38,543
Richard Burton being ignored just about every time he was nominated is criminal.
When Elizabeth Taylor won the AA for best actress in Who’s Afraid If Virginia Woolf? he should have won for the best actor, they were inseparable as performances. Granted Paul Scofield was brilliant in A Man for All Seasons.

Losing out to John Wayne was just Hollywood voting on sentiment.

How the feck they gave it to Cliff Robertson over Peter O Toole is mystifying as well.
 

oneniltothearsenal

Caf's Milton Friedman and Arse Aficionado
Scout
Joined
Dec 17, 2013
Messages
11,121
Supports
Brazil, Arsenal,LA Aztecs
Star Wars losing to some crap movie I still remember from when I was a kid.


Yeah fair, to be honest was definitely being generous to Forrest Gump.

Shawshank is one of the most rewatchable films ever. That and Gladiator (which was rightly not snubbed).
Gladiator was great but Crouching Tiger was still better.
 
Last edited:

rcoobc

Not as crap as eferyone thinks
Joined
Jul 28, 2010
Messages
41,686
Location
C-137
It's weird that Crash didn't win more awards
 

Wibble

In Gadus Speramus
Staff
Joined
Jun 15, 2000
Messages
88,906
Location
Centreback
I'd say Shawshank is easily the best out of the three. Gump/Pulp Fiction is much harder to call.

An absolutely cracking year though, no doubt. Compared to some other winners mentioned in this thread, all three could easily be winners at any other time.

Saying that, Kevin Spacey had a hattrick of epic films that I'm not sure did as well as they should (although haven't actually looked it up): Usual Suspects (95), Seven (95), LA Noir (97).

American Beauty then rightly smashed. Shame he's a wrongun.
Shawshank was good but the rewatch value was minimal imo. I have no idea why it is thought of so highly. Nothing wrong with it but it is just a decent bash at a Stephen King short story and quite forgettable.
 

thepolice123

Full Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2008
Messages
12,210
Jim Carrey definitely deserved something for The Truman Show, Man on the Moon and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

His best performance is probably The Truman Show but the Best Actor lineup for that year was absolutely brutal.
 

Wibble

In Gadus Speramus
Staff
Joined
Jun 15, 2000
Messages
88,906
Location
Centreback
Jim Carrey definitely deserved something for The Truman Show, Man on the Moon and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

His best performance is probably The Truman Show but the Best Actor lineup for that year was absolutely brutal.
But all just him being Jim Carey so hardly best actor material.
 

Wibble

In Gadus Speramus
Staff
Joined
Jun 15, 2000
Messages
88,906
Location
Centreback
Well, they gave Nic Cage one for being Nic Cage, so I don't see why not. :lol:
That was the opposite of the worst snub :lol:

Adam Sandler might as well have been given one.
 
Last edited:

oneniltothearsenal

Caf's Milton Friedman and Arse Aficionado
Scout
Joined
Dec 17, 2013
Messages
11,121
Supports
Brazil, Arsenal,LA Aztecs

Scarlett Dracarys

( . Y . )
Joined
Apr 22, 2007
Messages
33,085
Location
New York
Did anyone mention Glenn Close ? 8 nominations and not a single Oscar. She was amazing as Mamaw in Hillbilly Elegy. If anyone didn't watch this yet, add it to your list.