If we get Sancho all is forgiven. If not, you English better get out the torches and pitchforks!
Wot, no transfers? It's all happening now!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Same story when Moyes was recruited, panicked when LVG was there and signed everyone, once realised Woody had no real grasp of the market, it was back to where we are now. Chasing shadows with no plan, so sad for such a big club.
This will be a repeat of the 2018 summer where we sign 2 meh players instead of trying to kick on.
The top brass only cares about the finanfial benefits securing top 4 (CL money, Sponsorships etc.), not expecting anything of note before October 5th.
The top brass only cares about the finanfial benefits securing top 4 (CL money, Sponsorships etc.), not expecting anything of note before October 5th.
Structure is rubbish. You have a board who refuse to change the structure after approaching 10 years of shite. A board who clearly have no idea of how to get us to the top, but refuse to delegate any of their responsibility to personnel who could actually get us there.
You can compete with smart spending, but you need the right staff and structure to do so, something we clearly have no intention of addressing. If you don't have those things, you over compensate with ridiculous spending, building a team so formidable they cover up for a lot of shortcomings, that's also not us.
It's so common with us these days. Spend the whole window chasing Sancho when we clearly have no intention of paying his fee, end up signing some cheaper, inferior alternatives. By January, when it's obvious our chances of getting into Europe are getting slim, sack the manager, make a panic signing. Use the bounce from that signing and/or the new manager bounce to get us over the line into Europe. Brief about how we are going to change the structure, hire a DOF, spend heavy etc. Rinse and repeat when the summer comes around. Unless we don't make the CL, in which case, spend, but spend poorly.
You can compete with smart spending, but you need the right staff and structure to do so, something we clearly have no intention of addressing. If you don't have those things, you over compensate with ridiculous spending, building a team so formidable they cover up for a lot of shortcomings, that's also not us.
It's so common with us these days. Spend the whole window chasing Sancho when we clearly have no intention of paying his fee, end up signing some cheaper, inferior alternatives. By January, when it's obvious our chances of getting into Europe are getting slim, sack the manager, make a panic signing. Use the bounce from that signing and/or the new manager bounce to get us over the line into Europe. Brief about how we are going to change the structure, hire a DOF, spend heavy etc. Rinse and repeat when the summer comes around. Unless we don't make the CL, in which case, spend, but spend poorly.
This reminds me of 2018 Summer Transfer Window. Qualified in the Champions League and finished 2nd in the Premier League.
and then...........
"We don't need to make any signings this Window. We don't need any new players, our team is good enough."
We finished in 6th place the year after that quote.
Will we repeat the same mistake again?
and then...........
"We don't need to make any signings this Window. We don't need any new players, our team is good enough."
We finished in 6th place the year after that quote.
Will we repeat the same mistake again?
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I am not gonna lie this does have the feel of that awful window but while there is still time I am going to remain optimistic of making some signings
I don't support this but last time after the incident we signed Bruno I think
Yeah it was shortly after but would only see something crazy like that if it's gets to the last two weeks and no one has been signedI don't support this but last time after the incident we signed Bruno I think
I'm actually worried we could struggle badly next season with no reinforcements.
We've seen how much the team struggle when playing lots of games in quick succession. We'll be playing every midweek and weekend so the fatigue is going to build up fast after just a 4 week break.
We've seen how much the team struggle when playing lots of games in quick succession. We'll be playing every midweek and weekend so the fatigue is going to build up fast after just a 4 week break.
Probably to roll out the famous Fergie line from 09-13 to deflect fault away from themselves again
To me we’ve lost the attractiveness Man Utd always had. You came to Utd under fergie, you were always challenging for trophies, always in CL, surrounded by winners. Majority of players wanted to be here. Now we are a club seemingly always in transition, owned by people with no interest in on the field perfermance. Not challenging in the prem. if you were a top tier player would you sign for Utd? There are better options out there and Liverpool is one sadly. Sancho is on a good contract maybe he wants to take a year and see what his options are next season. If we’ve kicked on them maybe we get him. If not Barca, Madrid, Liverpool etc - he’ll have suitors.
i think 3 solid squad players, Brooks, new CB and maybe new FB. If we can get Grealish for a realistic fee £50m he’d be useful. Increase the general quality level and add a superstar next year.
i think 3 solid squad players, Brooks, new CB and maybe new FB. If we can get Grealish for a realistic fee £50m he’d be useful. Increase the general quality level and add a superstar next year.
Incompetent Woodward
Woodward is a train wreck, there again, Ole needs to learn not to expect United to spend 50m-120m on every position that he needs to strengthen. He needs to trust the scouts more.
If Sir Alex worked the way Ole did then Ole would not be a United player in the first place
If Sir Alex worked the way Ole did then Ole would not be a United player in the first place
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United has been stingy in the transfer market since Harry Maguire. Given the difference between the promise and the performances maybe the board are wise?
I worry United were waiting to wrap up the Sancho deal before trying to 'sign' anyone. I don't see how there could be any other signings if we sign Sancho; maybe some loans in. Now with Glazers intervening in Sancho contract discussion because of the outrageously high agent fees, I expect Sancho not to sign. PS: I wouldn't pay outrageous agent fees either.
I worry United were waiting to wrap up the Sancho deal before trying to 'sign' anyone. I don't see how there could be any other signings if we sign Sancho; maybe some loans in. Now with Glazers intervening in Sancho contract discussion because of the outrageously high agent fees, I expect Sancho not to sign. PS: I wouldn't pay outrageous agent fees either.
It is really hard to stay positive when you see our rivals doing business already and United, typically, stood with our dick in our hand. I genuinely despise Woodward and the Glazers for making us such a dithering, non-entity in many respects. We are a no-mark club when we should be operating like a Bayern Munich type organisation.
We took a similarly principled stance with Hazard which was a good decision, wasn’t it? I say pay the agents, it’s better than lining the Glazers’ pockets.
Didnt take long for the usual suspects to turn the blame on Ole
ffs get a life
ffs get a life
Close, only the contract won't be a 5 year deal, but a 4 year deal with an option for a further year.
Pay the agents how much? £20m, £30m, £40m, £50m, infinite amount? (Maybe we need a poll)
The point is, who cares if it gets the deal done? People are mad if they think the Glazers will reinvest any ‘left over’ money in the club.
I think this kind of approach is evil. You're condoning and encouraging corruption on a massive scale.
To all the Sancho in, Woody/Ole out brigade - Please contribute one million each to the fund I have created for buying Sancho at the price allegedly demanded by Dortmund (including Agent's commission, his father's new shoes etc). I assure you that Sancho will be purchased tomorrow.
Pretty much, not a lot to disagree with. We are still stuck in the past, the whole structure and board are still living in the 90's, without internet, without multitasking and with teletext.
Only start doing business once the transfer window has officially opened, and even then, we need weeks and months until we really do the majority of the business. And the most important thing, only work on one target at a time. Chase one player for ages, only to are left with your pants pulled down and panic buying rubbish players a while later before the window ends. With stuff like that, the best we can hope for each year is a top 4 fight. And the only trophies we can dream of are Europa League, League Cup and Fa Cup. We are pretty much now where we can hope for with idiots running the club like they are.
I think Woody likes the thrill of the late-in-the-window transfers. Where’s the fun in getting players in early, like Chelsea have done, so that they can be acclimatised to the squad?
Once he’s back off holiday I’m sure he’ll be poised to prepare a bid on someone.
Once he’s back off holiday I’m sure he’ll be poised to prepare a bid on someone.
Sad but true. It's why I can't get too vexxed about managerial changes and individual signings. It's a systematic problem.
As tongue in cheek as this thread might be. I can easily see another frustrating window for us fans. Just roll on the window shutting, had enough of the bullshit already.
I fear we've mumbled the summer on Dortmund folding before the deadline. Almost interesting in watching what will be a masterclass in incompetence. Wish it wasn't my club.
Having said that, even though I feel a sense of foreboding, we don't have enough information, only that we have seen this episode before.
Having said that, even though I feel a sense of foreboding, we don't have enough information, only that we have seen this episode before.
Yep, unfortunately I’m beginning to get the exact same vibes that it’s the same old story beginning to repeat itself. Very soon, we will be hearing those DoF media briefings that the club put out in order to divert the scrutiny away from them. Rinse & repeat.
That's my feeling too, we have a genuine chance to kick on now. This is the most important transfer window in years, fail and Ole will struggle.
Spend enough to reach top 4. Then do nothing and if the club fails to reach top 4 next season, sack the manager, spend 100mil to reach top 4 again for UCL money. Proper business model not caring about the fans. How much dividend has been paid to glazers during covid ?
There are people to blame for this but Ole isn't one of them. We just need to look at how we pissed around in past windows; including last summer dallying with Fernandes and even in January waiting till the very end of the window to sign him.
New signings from abroad are likely to have to quarantine for 2 weeks before they can even train with the squad which is another reason to stop pissing about now.
New signings from abroad are likely to have to quarantine for 2 weeks before they can even train with the squad which is another reason to stop pissing about now.
I know it's early but i'm convinced we aren't going to sign anything.
All the other teams have got something done. United are still going for a player that they cannot afford.
Solskjaer won't be happy seeing Chelsea, for example, strengthen so much while we stand still.
All the other teams have got something done. United are still going for a player that they cannot afford.
Solskjaer won't be happy seeing Chelsea, for example, strengthen so much while we stand still.
you need to head to Florida and take over the pirate ship in the Buccaneers stadium adding a huge banner asking Tom Brady if he can play right wing seeing as we’ve probably funded his move there
Then come out and say it. Give the fans some perspective. They don't want to do that though do they, because they have spent years telling everyone how rich we are and we could get anyone we want, which is a bloody lie for a start. If we cannot buy the big players we need, then at least we then know not to expect much next season and are prepared.
The lack of transfers out is equally worrying.
Sanchez doesn't really count, we "buy" = pay him to get out.
Sanchez doesn't really count, we "buy" = pay him to get out.
Think unfortunately this could be a reality check for Ole. They will get him players, but unless they want to look stupid it won't be Sancho. It will be a poorer version, then they will try to persuade him to hold onto players he doesn't want and should not be playing for this club. Like most other clubs United will have been hit financially and we all have to realise that. Chelsea had a transfer ban so the money likely has been sat there waiting. Also we are not owned by a sugar daddy.
This is pretty much how I feel. The club may pleasantly surprise us during this transfer window, but based on previous performance I won’t be holding my breath.
Literally about half his enjoyment of the role comes from the whole 'financial wizard' thing that some fans still believe.
He's quite similar to Trump in certain aspects. Bolded part is extremely unlikely to ever happen, as it would cause an amount of cognitive dissonance that most psychiatrists could only dream of.
Think under the circumstances nobody would expect us to have carried on making millions. We have probably done a lot better than some clubs, but we will have lost a lot of income. He has to realised he has not failed on that count, just that he is in the same boat as a lot of other club executives. A lot of the problem is Dortmund want an unrealistic fee in these times. You can't blame them, but they know most clubs will not pay it and they get to keep him for another season to finish second yet again.