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Tom Brady is arguably the greatest QB of all time it would be like us buying Messi . His Jersey has been the biggest selling or at least in the top 5 for over a decade. I wouldn't quite call him a corpse either he is still one hell of a player
Two different points in their careers. Tom is over the hill, and there were better cheaper options put there ie the guy that is at his old job. He is ranked 24 so far with some of the best passing options in the L. Jersey thing is cool though, but NFL splits things among all teams except for Dallas.
 

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Two different points in their careers. Tom is over the hill, and there were better cheaper options put there ie the guy that is at his old job. He is ranked 24 so far with some of the best passing options in the L. Jersey thing is cool though, but NFL splits things among all teams except for Dallas.
oh I agree there were definitely better options, but the Coverage they get for bringing Brady in and Gronk back has made everybody want to see what they do . Didnt know that about Dallas cheers
 

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What would Ole do if there are no additional transfers? Would he pressure the board? I mean he would be walking into a lion's den especially with the CL games. With no quality apart from the first XI, I suspect we'd be lucky to make it out of the group stages. Hopefully we don't finish third in the group as I can't stomach another Europa journey.
In that case he should handle his resignation letter a day after the transfer window closes. They are going to sack him in December anyway so let the Glazers owe their mistakes for once rather then have them pin it on the manager.
 
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This fan base is going to absolutely implode when the window shuts with the only signing being VDB :nervous:, the media is going to be all over united like a rash with how bad it's been handled (worse than the window where we only signed fellaini) and there's going to be a massive cloud over the club, this 100% affects players as it does fans also, you can see that with Shaw's comments, best of luck to Ole for next season, he's been royally shafted by the board for his achievement of managing to get this team into 3rd last season and back into the UCL,

He's essentially walking into the new campaign with both arms tied behind his back and the clubs who finished below us have invested heavily into their team, Chelsea, Spurs, Wolves, even Arsenal, It would be an absolute miracle if he managed to get us into top 4 again at the end of this season.
 

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This fan base is going to absolutely implode when the window shuts with the only signing being VDB :nervous:, the media is going to be all over united like a rash with how bad it's been handled (worse than the window where we only signed fellaini) and there's going to be a massive cloud over the club, this 100% affects players as it does fans also, you can see that with Shaw's comments, best of luck to Ole for next season, he's been royally shafted by the board for his achievement of managing to get this team into 3rd last season and back into the UCL,

He's essentially walking into the new campaign with both arms tied behind his back and the clubs who finished below us have invested heavily into their team, Chelsea, Spurs, Wolves, even Arsenal, It would be an absolute miracle if he managed to get us into top 4 again at the end of this season.
What comments?
 

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This fan base is going to absolutely implode when the window shuts with the only signing being VDB :nervous:, the media is going to be all over united like a rash with how bad it's been handled (worse than the window where we only signed fellaini) and there's going to be a massive cloud over the club, this 100% affects players as it does fans also, you can see that with Shaw's comments, best of luck to Ole for next season, he's been royally shafted by the board for his achievement of managing to get this team into 3rd last season and back into the UCL,

He's essentially walking into the new campaign with both arms tied behind his back and the clubs who finished below us have invested heavily into their team, Chelsea, Spurs, Wolves, even Arsenal, It would be an absolute miracle if he managed to get us into top 4 again at the end of this season.
It is clear it affects the players, we saw on Tuesday fans outside singing Sign Sancho when the team bus was losing, they know about it. Ole has to go to Woodward and say, I cannot operate like this.

He not only has his arms tied, he is on his knees too.

We have Rojo, Jones, Perreira, Romero, Mata who cannot get on the bench for a PL game. That is £500k a week in wages. Approx £30m in wages a year that cannot get on the bench.

We got rid of £50m Alexis wages, so if we buckled up and got rid of some players we would have cleared £80m of funds to spend on new players.
 

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I think the club has decided that we aren't going to be fleeced anymore. You see clubs everywhere this summer getting reduced transfers but we still have Porto demanding 40mil for Telles and Dortmund demanding 120mil for Sancho. I'm happy enough that the club don't want to pay those silly fees anymore and in contrast to many others on here, I'm also happy to see us not panic and bring in alternative players who don't match the profile or quality of player we want to add to the squad. That approach is what got us the squad we have at the moment, full of overpaid mediocrity.

The issue is, that as much as I agree with this new approach - it doesn't help with the fact that we are starting a season in the Premier League in which all of our rivals have strengthened and we have maybe 6 outfield players in our entire squad who are good enough to play for the club. How do we fix this?

We can't now - it's too late. The time to fix it was before the summer and to change things now would only be to fix matters for next year. We need to start communicating that things have changed at United to fans, to agents and to other clubs. How do we expect the people we are negotiating with to take us seriously while we are still rewarding the people who made us into this mess with their positions? When those idiots like Woodward and Judge are still the other end of the phone with them today? The club needs to show that the instigators of the old failed model have been rooted out and that we are serious about this new direction.

Panicking now and throwing a load of cash at subpar alternatives is not the answer, it would just kick the can down the road for another year. If the club is serious about reforming, we need to hold the course now and be prepared to really struggle this season if Dortmund and Porto don't blink before the end of the window. Even if they do, and we start the season with a couple more of the reinforcements we badly need, there need to be changes made once it has closed. This can't be our summer every year.
 

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It is clear it affects the players, we saw on Tuesday fans outside singing Sign Sancho when the team bus was losing, they know about it. Ole has to go to Woodward and say, I cannot operate like this.

He not only has his arms tied, he is on his knees too.

We have Rojo, Jones, Perreira, Romero, Mata who cannot get on the bench for a PL game. That is £500k a week in wages. Approx £30m in wages a year that cannot get on the bench.

We got rid of £50m Alexis wages, so if we buckled up and got rid of some players we would have cleared £80m of funds to spend on new players.
The issue is noone wants them. Even if we gave them away for free, then nobody can afford the wages to take them.
 

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I think the club has decided that we aren't going to be fleeced anymore. You see clubs everywhere this summer getting reduced transfers but we still have Porto demanding 40mil for Telles and Dortmund demanding 120mil for Sancho. I'm happy enough that the club don't want to pay those silly fees anymore and in contrast to many others on here, I'm also happy to see us not panic and bring in alternative players who don't match the profile or quality of player we want to add to the squad. That approach is what got us the squad we have at the moment, full of overpaid mediocrity.

The issue is, that as much as I agree with this new approach - it doesn't help with the fact that we are starting a season in the Premier League in which all of our rivals have strengthened and we have maybe 6 outfield players in our entire squad who are good enough to play for the club. How do we fix this?

We can't now - it's too late. The time to fix it was before the summer and to change things now would only be to fix matters for next year. We need to start communicating that things have changed at United to fans, to agents and to other clubs. How do we expect the people we are negotiating with to take us seriously while we are still rewarding the people who made us into this mess with their positions? When those idiots like Woodward and Judge are still the other end of the phone with them today? The club needs to show that the instigators of the old failed model have been rooted out and that we are serious about this new direction.

Panicking now and throwing a load of cash at subpar alternatives is not the answer, it would just kick the can down the road for another year. If the club is serious about reforming, we need to hold the course now and be prepared to really struggle this season if Dortmund and Porto don't blink before the end of the window. Even if they do, and we start the season with a couple more of the reinforcements we badly need, there need to be changes made once it has closed. This can't be our summer every year.
The issue will be that with the team we have right now we won't get top 4, we are an injury away from having to field Mata, Lingard or James as a RW. I don't know what the answer is right now. If we drop out of the top 4 it affects our finances so much we may never get back from it. You are right something has to change, handing Lingard another contract cannot be the answer. The trouble is I don't think we have a way to affect the prices we pay for players. Clubs will always know we are wealthy, if we don't buy players we don't become successful unless we fully develop our own players.
 

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I think the club has decided that we aren't going to be fleeced anymore. You see clubs everywhere this summer getting reduced transfers but we still have Porto demanding 40mil for Telles and Dortmund demanding 120mil for Sancho. I'm happy enough that the club don't want to pay those silly fees anymore and in contrast to many others on here, I'm also happy to see us not panic and bring in alternative players who don't match the profile or quality of player we want to add to the squad. That approach is what got us the squad we have at the moment, full of overpaid mediocrity.

The issue is, that as much as I agree with this new approach - it doesn't help with the fact that we are starting a season in the Premier League in which all of our rivals have strengthened and we have maybe 6 outfield players in our entire squad who are good enough to play for the club. How do we fix this?

We can't now - it's too late. The time to fix it was before the summer and to change things now would only be to fix matters for next year. We need to start communicating that things have changed at United to fans, to agents and to other clubs. How do we expect the people we are negotiating with to take us seriously while we are still rewarding the people who made us into this mess with their positions? When those idiots like Woodward and Judge are still the other end of the phone with them today? The club needs to show that the instigators of the old failed model have been rooted out and that we are serious about this new direction.

Panicking now and throwing a load of cash at subpar alternatives is not the answer, it would just kick the can down the road for another year. If the club is serious about reforming, we need to hold the course now and be prepared to really struggle this season if Dortmund and Porto don't blink before the end of the window. Even if they do, and we start the season with a couple more of the reinforcements we badly need, there need to be changes made once it has closed. This can't be our summer every year.
i agree esp with the first paragraph. for example Porto asking 40mil for Telles a potential backup player who has only one year left on his contract can be too much. I heard
that Utd are trying to lower the price to 25 mil or so which is sensible - a player who they can get for low fee in January or free in a year. Sancho price to me is ridiculous. I wont
personally think we loose much if we skip him. The central defender is also an issue. How can you convince the board to add another central defender when you have 8 defenders in the bank.
The idea is not sellable.-unless there is a taker for 3 or 4 of them.
 

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The issue will be that with the team we have right now we won't get top 4, we are an injury away from having to field Mata, Lingard or James as a RW. I don't know what the answer is right now. If we drop out of the top 4 it affects our finances so much we may never get back from it. You are right something has to change, handing Lingard another contract cannot be the answer. The trouble is I don't think we have a way to affect the prices we pay for players. Clubs will always know we are wealthy, if we don't buy players we don't become successful unless we fully develop our own players.
Other wealthy clubs don't get ripped off to the same extent we do. We need a complete reform of the team within the club that are responsible for conducting transfers and examples need to be made of the underperformers who got us into this mess. That is the only way to change the perception of us in the minds of other clubs and agents.

I agree with you that without improvements to the squad, we are in huge trouble. The issue is that those improvements have to be the right players and not just panic buys or we will just keep perpetuating the cycle.
 

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It would be a mistake..
Zaha is just trying so hard to convince that manchester did a mistake by letting him go, the problem that h'es trying to do that only against us, rest of the season he's just the average player that we got rid of ( 38 games, 4 goals and 3 assists ), even Daniel James did better despite being on bench half of the season.
If he's playing most of his matches the way he does against us, he'd be intended by some top clubs ..
He's a good player... perhaps on a better team he'd be able to create or score more.
Whether it's Zaha or someone else, we are in serious need of depth AND competition for both winger positions. Even striker.
Martial can play at LW & ST, which is good. Bringing in another ST can give us the opportunity to rotate martial in both positions when needed. It would be nice to get Sancho who can rotate among the positions as well.
Either way, we should really be in for an attacker this window.
 

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I think the club has decided that we aren't going to be fleeced anymore. You see clubs everywhere this summer getting reduced transfers but we still have Porto demanding 40mil for Telles and Dortmund demanding 120mil for Sancho. I'm happy enough that the club don't want to pay those silly fees anymore and in contrast to many others on here, I'm also happy to see us not panic and bring in alternative players who don't match the profile or quality of player we want to add to the squad. That approach is what got us the squad we have at the moment, full of overpaid mediocrity.

The issue is, that as much as I agree with this new approach - it doesn't help with the fact that we are starting a season in the Premier League in which all of our rivals have strengthened and we have maybe 6 outfield players in our entire squad who are good enough to play for the club. How do we fix this?

We can't now - it's too late. The time to fix it was before the summer and to change things now would only be to fix matters for next year. We need to start communicating that things have changed at United to fans, to agents and to other clubs. How do we expect the people we are negotiating with to take us seriously while we are still rewarding the people who made us into this mess with their positions? When those idiots like Woodward and Judge are still the other end of the phone with them today? The club needs to show that the instigators of the old failed model have been rooted out and that we are serious about this new direction.

Panicking now and throwing a load of cash at subpar alternatives is not the answer, it would just kick the can down the road for another year. If the club is serious about reforming, we need to hold the course now and be prepared to really struggle this season if Dortmund and Porto don't blink before the end of the window. Even if they do, and we start the season with a couple more of the reinforcements we badly need, there need to be changes made once it has closed. This can't be our summer every year.
But mate this is out of the club's control, if they know this only they can change it by hiring better scouts and professionals who know how to actually scout talented youngsters rather than players that are already first team players at major european clubs,

I have absolutely no issue with porto demanding 40m for a player with 10 months left on his contract or 120m for one of there best players and not offering a discount just because we are in a pandemic,

The issue is, the. board clearly know this because i refuse to believe they are that thick and somehow expect these clubs to fold last minute and knock 20-30m off the price,

There are players out there playing in god knows what league who are as suited or even better than Sancho for us on that right wing but for some reason we fail to ever find these talents, Dortmund clearly seen the potential in Sancho more than any other club and it worked out amazingly, they didn't just get lucky, same with Dembele, they have a structure in place with intelligent football people who head this operation and like Gary Neville said, for a club the size of Manchester United, we should be striving for the best in class, but we'd rather be nostalgia merchants as per and hire Rio Ferdinand or Evra (both we refused the director of football role due to inexperience) than hire someone qualified for the position, that is absolutely terrifying in my opinion.
 

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Looks like Tottenham will be signing Skriniar to, on top of the other signings made, and Levy's usually the stingiest guy there is, yet the Glazers... ugh, truly tragic this window.
 

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Looks like Tottenham will be signing Skriniar to, on top of the other signings made, and Levy's usually the stingiest guy there is, yet the Glazers... ugh, truly tragic this window.
This puts things into perspective. Spurs are paying for their stadium still, they spent £133m last summer, £85m so far this summer.

We got CL football, commercial deals and a ton load more money than Spurs and they are acting like a team with ambition.
 

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This puts things into perspective. Spurs are paying for their stadium still, they spent £133m last summer, £85m so far this summer.

We got CL football, commercial deals and a ton load more money than Spurs and they are acting like a team with ambition.
Yeah just shows how the not spending due to COVID thing falls down when you look at that doesn't it
 

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I lose faith in the board with every passing day. I am honestly amazed that we've not been able to finalise any further transfers before now!

There are glaring holes in our squad that are going to be our undoing.

I guess this is the new normal for us whilst we are still able to rinse commercial deals based on past successes, but happy to settle for relative mediocracy on the pitch - sadly lacking in ambition.

Fergie must be sat wondering how his life's work is being undone in less than a decade.
 

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Yeah just shows how the not spending due to COVID thing falls down when you look at that doesn't it
If that is the excuse they come out with, I can see the fan base going absolutely ballistic.

The fans see right through it, completely unacceptable how they treat the fans like this.
 

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The businessmen and accountants on our board have completely misread the market and the financial impact of Covid on other clubs.

Our board who should be incredibly competent with assessing market trends purely from a financial perspective are looking mighty stupid. We know they’re incompetent when it comes to footballing matters but I find their complete miss on understanding the financial impact of Covid was on the transfer market a bit more disturbing and shocking. This is what they’re supposed to be good at!
 

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Cant they sign players and just agree to pay the first instalment on 1st Oct ? Which selling club would say no to that? They know the deal is done and money is coming. they can plan accordingly. We get the player.
 

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I think the club has decided that we aren't going to be fleeced anymore. You see clubs everywhere this summer getting reduced transfers but we still have Porto demanding 40mil for Telles and Dortmund demanding 120mil for Sancho. I'm happy enough that the club don't want to pay those silly fees anymore and in contrast to many others on here, I'm also happy to see us not panic and bring in alternative players who don't match the profile or quality of player we want to add to the squad. That approach is what got us the squad we have at the moment, full of overpaid mediocrity.

The issue is, that as much as I agree with this new approach - it doesn't help with the fact that we are starting a season in the Premier League in which all of our rivals have strengthened and we have maybe 6 outfield players in our entire squad who are good enough to play for the club. How do we fix this?

We can't now - it's too late. The time to fix it was before the summer and to change things now would only be to fix matters for next year. We need to start communicating that things have changed at United to fans, to agents and to other clubs. How do we expect the people we are negotiating with to take us seriously while we are still rewarding the people who made us into this mess with their positions? When those idiots like Woodward and Judge are still the other end of the phone with them today? The club needs to show that the instigators of the old failed model have been rooted out and that we are serious about this new direction.

Panicking now and throwing a load of cash at subpar alternatives is not the answer, it would just kick the can down the road for another year. If the club is serious about reforming, we need to hold the course now and be prepared to really struggle this season if Dortmund and Porto don't blink before the end of the window. Even if they do, and we start the season with a couple more of the reinforcements we badly need, there need to be changes made once it has closed. This can't be our summer every year.
I used to find it fascinating how Woodward would come out with a bullish attitude at the start of the transfer window only to end it up with a whimper. Surely someone who doesn't want to get fleeced would refrain from going out on the media saying that we can do stuff other can only dream off doing. Then one find day he did answer that question. That was during an AGM were he used the clicks generated during the silly season to justify and prove how much interest there is around Manchester United. Basically he is banking upon transfer rumours.

Another fascinating thing about United is why we keep on giving contract extensions to players that are not good enough. That was explained by Woodward once again who talked about the difficulty United had in signing more then 3 players per transfer window, which forces us to give contracts to players whom we know exactly that are not good enough. He also describe players as assets whose value need to be protected. Unfortunately that's not how football works. Someone like Jones is not an asset as no one is willing to buy him up. He's just a blackhole who sucks money out of the club.

Which kind of explains how short sighted and cynical these people are and why the club is heading towards a cliff edge. Ultimately football is in the entertainment business and fans who are repeatedly being humiliated by an incompetent board will simply lose interest and grow cold. They'll certainly won't be encouraging their kids to take their poison which means the fan base will ultimately shrink, which in turn, will hurt the club finances.

I won't be surprised if the club now add a third rated signing on the cheap followed by Lingard signing a new contract by the club's yearly commitment of bringing in a DOF. Then by December Ole would be on the way out. It shouldn't have been like that. United could have easily engaged itself in an effective and efficient transfer market with Sanchez being shown the door, Jones sent on loan and Romero, Lingard, Rojo + Smalling sold on the cheap. That + another 60m could have financed signings like that of Jamal Lewis (16m), Cristian Romero (loan of 2m with a right to buy loan fee of 16m), VDB (39m), Cengis Under (3m loan with a 26m obligation to buy) and maybe have some room for a striker (Milik?). It would be a humble transfer window that would have strengthened us considerably. But no, that wouldn't play out for the Glazer's narrative.
 

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Looks like Tottenham will be signing Skriniar to, on top of the other signings made, and Levy's usually the stingiest guy there is, yet the Glazers... ugh, truly tragic this window.
Maybe Jose has found his home after all these years.
 

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Looks like Tottenham will be signing Skriniar to, on top of the other signings made, and Levy's usually the stingiest guy there is, yet the Glazers... ugh, truly tragic this window.
Really good signing for them.

Wanted him at OT, but we probably can't afford to sign another centreback without getting rid of at least two.
 

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I'm reckon the club thought they could get Sancho for around £90-100m, and needed to raise something like £40-50m through sales to make it viable.
That's silly. These players are on ridiculous salaries. It was always going to be difficult to get rid of them let alone make money out of them especially the money we want for then (ex the 18m asked for smalling)

It seem to me that Woodward and judge wanted us to fail in this transfer window. Else they are just incompetent
 

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I lose faith in the board with every passing day. I am honestly amazed that we've not been able to finalise any further transfers before now!

There are glaring holes in our squad that are going to be our undoing.

I guess this is the new normal for us whilst we are still able to rinse commercial deals based on past successes, but happy to settle for relative mediocracy on the pitch - sadly lacking in ambition.

Fergie must be sat wondering how his life's work is being undone in less than a decade.
I lost faith in Ed in 2013 after the Fellaini deal.
 

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Romano says we have a plan C for LB. Guess he is happy to toy with United fans because they are so many of us
 

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Probably what Evra was alluding to the other day

Would be hilariously depressing if it was someone like Partey, Aouar or Alaba :lol:
 

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Probably what Evra was alluding to the other day

Would be hilariously depressing if it was someone like Partey, Aouar or Alaba :lol:
Mitten's full of shite. As if he'd withold which player it was.