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Moyes wasn't cut out for United and it affected him in his next couple of jobs too. He's back at the level he can handle now.
I don’t have an issue with Motes, and I am actually happy he’s doing well at West Ham now.Only manager post SAF that didn't get to overhaul the squad...would've done better than van Gaal or even Mourinho imo. Yeah, I know it's not cool not to hate on him. Was great at Everton...would've liked to see him sign Kroos and Cavani like he wanted to.
So, your basically saying that he got everything wrong but is a good manager (with limits).I don’t have an issue with Motes, and I am actually happy he’s doing well at West Ham now.
I don’t think it’s a fair summary though, thst he didn’t get to do an overhaul.
I’d say he did a full overhaul of the coaching staff, which was a mistake, and he didn’t manage to do an overhaul of the squad because he underestimated the job, took to long of a vacation, overestimated the squad, underestimated what it takes to get players like Fabregas, Thiago, Kroos, and even Baines and Fellaini and overestimated said Fellaini.
He was out of his league at United, because he is a good but limited manager.
In all fairness, it was amazing that Fergie won the league with that squad. I dont thinki there is another manager who could have won with this group a year older, taking over from Fergie with no additions. That's not saying Moyes was the right man though.It's true that Moyes was the only manager post SAF who did not get to overhaul the team, but he was also the only manager post SAF who had a very settled squad full of league winners. Yes, Moyes would've done a LOT worse.
Wasn't even on bench. Rooney, mata, Carrick, RVP, and that football.Did Fellaini, his star signing and one who he knew how to utilize effectively, play in this game ?
I mean, this should've been heaven for the lanky Belgium.
This myth has grown over the years. We lost it on goal difference the previous year. We had a great keeper and defence, brilliant sitting midfielder, rooney, van persie.In all fairness, it was amazing that Fergie won the league with that squad. I dont thinki there is another manager who could have won with this group a year older, taking over from Fergie with no additions. That's not saying Moyes was the right man though.
First of all, everytime a manager joins a new club, he basically brings his coaching staff with him, that decision from him was blown out of proportion.I don’t have an issue with Motes, and I am actually happy he’s doing well at West Ham now.
I don’t think it’s a fair summary though, thst he didn’t get to do an overhaul.
I’d say he did a full overhaul of the coaching staff, which was a mistake, and he didn’t manage to do an overhaul of the squad because he underestimated the job, took to long of a vacation, overestimated the squad, underestimated what it takes to get players like Fabregas, Thiago, Kroos, and even Baines and Fellaini and overestimated said Fellaini.
He was out of his league at United, because he is a good but limited manager.
Its a tedious and disrespectful one peddled mostly by Moyes apologists over the years that is now repeated by lots of people without thought.This myth has grown over the years. We lost it on goal difference the previous year. We had a great keeper and defence, brilliant sitting midfielder, rooney, van persie.
Overall it was still a sqaud packed with mutliple champions, european champions. We could have won Europe that season too bar the Nani red card.
It wasn't a shit squad of players. Moyes just couldn't manage top players
Well he would have did well to do much worse.To give it some balance I would expect that with more time Moyes would have improved to an extent, but it would be dependant on whether he could attract the players he required for a rebuild (having only managed to sign Fellaini which was so underwhelming it's untrue.)
So it depends on whether he would have attracted the players required to kick on. I think he's proven he's tactically capable within the league, you can see that with West Ham. I'm not saying he would have been a success here, just that he would have improved from the point at which he left, if given time.
Yeah and that factors into my thinking, he would have stabilised eventually and settled into some mediocre mid-table finish.Well he would have did well to do much worse.
3-2 at home vs Stoke and 1-0 at home vs Arsenal.
Those two games were the only league games we won against the teams that finished in the top 10 that year, let that sink in.
Yeah scrapping it out with Wolves and Everton to finish 6th would have been the height of it.Yeah and that factors into my thinking, he would have stabilised eventually and settled into some mediocre mid-table finish.
Without the knowledge of how he would have spent and rebuilt its hard to determine how well/poor he would have done I suppose. Nevertheless he would never reach the heights we demand.
He basically has.If Jose had gone to West Ham and did what Moyes is doing now people would be saying how great a manager he was and that he could cut it a t a lower club,
Just saying..
You think West Ham are on the same level as a club as Spurs?He basically has.
Mourinho's Tottenham side sit only 3 points behind West Ham. Don't see many claiming Jose's still a great manager.
He got most of it wrong at Man Utd, yes. I think he was out of his comfort zone in a situation that catered to his weaknesses and not to his strengths, and he reacted badly to it as well.So, your basically saying that he got everything wrong but is a good manager (with limits).
Club or team? There's a difference.You think West Ham are on the same level as a club as Spurs?
Moyes wasn't cut out for United and it affected him in his next couple of jobs too. He's back at the level he can handle now.
Schrodingers managerIt's true that Moyes was the only manager post SAF who did not get to overhaul the team, but he was also the only manager post SAF who had a very settled squad full of league winners. Yes, Moyes would've done a LOT worse.
Every season there are teams outside the top six that have good seasons but cannot sustain it the following season because of injuries, players being bought and basically squad depth so this is no different.Club or team? There's a difference.
Spurs still a have a few top players but the majority of their squad wouldn't look out of place in West Hams team.
Plus i wouldn't look into too much West Hams performance this year, this has been a strange season all round. Last year Sheffield were in with a chance of qualifying for the Champions League yet this year they are getting relegated. If Moyes replicates this season in the next 2 or 3 then we can say if he's a good manager again, or not.
I’m not sure if it’s what you mean, but it reads like you think that taking over one of the world’s five biggest and most successful clubs (at the time), and replacing the entire coaching staff with Everton coaches and an ex player withbadges but no coaching experience sounds like a good idea. I think it sounded like a bad idea then, and I think how things played out confirmed it was a bad idea. What most managers do in most new jobs isn’t really enough to go by, as this situation was pretty particular. If you think it was a good idea in this case, I’m open to hearing why.First of all, everytime a manager joins a new club, he basically brings his coaching staff with him, that decision from him was blown out of proportion.
Secondly, it's not the manager that has to sign the players, it's just simply not his job to "estimate" what it would take to sign X player...
Yeah, he might not have worked out in the long run and it's very possible that you're right. Still, I feel like he had it the worst out of all 4 post-SAF managers.
Yes going off those two jobs he is a decent manager.Every season there are teams outside the top six that have good seasons but cannot sustain it the following season because of injuries, players being bought and basically squad depth so this is no different.
The guy was not the right guy for Utd because he is a defence minded coach but there is no doubt he is a decent manager given the job he did at Everton and what he is doing now.
True but in 99.9% of cases the previous manager (and quite often the coaching staff) have been sacked. In this case the manager retired after 27 years of almost constant success, and when the same guy who's just had 27 years of success hand picks you to succeed him. And then proceeds to advise you to keep the current coaching staff in place, then you'd be a fool to ignore that advice.First of all, everytime a manager joins a new club, he basically brings his coaching staff with him, that decision from him was blown out of proportion.
Secondly, it's not the manager that has to sign the players, it's just simply not his job to "estimate" what it would take to sign X player...
Yeah, he might not have worked out in the long run and it's very possible that you're right. Still, I feel like he had it the worst out of all 4 post-SAF managers.
Yes if he Fellaini playing it's understandable. He bought Fellaini and then failed to find the best position for him. Jose used Fellaini but Moyes had no idea how to use him at United.Moyes was ahead of his time.
You read it correctly. I said it. Those 81 crosses versus Fulham? Mastermind.
Only half a decade later and Liverpool won a league and CL with Moyes' philosophy of cross, cross, cross, cross, cross, cross, cross, cross.
Bringing his own coaching staffs is entirely different from doing an overhaul for the whole backroom. It doesn't make sense even for a mid-table club never mind at United - you need continuity bearing in mind we were the reigning champion!!!First of all, everytime a manager joins a new club, he basically brings his coaching staff with him, that decision from him was blown out of proportion.
Secondly, it's not the manager that has to sign the players, it's just simply not his job to "estimate" what it would take to sign X player...
Yeah, he might not have worked out in the long run and it's very possible that you're right. Still, I feel like he had it the worst out of all 4 post-SAF managers.