Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll added)

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Sack or Keep OLE?

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  1. Oct 20, 2019

    John Blund Full Member

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    And who you see as the perfect replacement? That's the biggest problem and the main reason why I won't join a premature sack-train just yet. The transfers we made this summer were good but unfortunately too few. We need performances like we had today to give me hope.
    And we all know Rojo is on his way out - dropping his man on a cross like that is a Sunday League error. We can't have a squad of half-decent players making errors so we concede goals every game. Aside from the goal, Liverpool didn't create much. I disregard that moment where Lindelöf lost his head and got lucky with VAR.
  2. Oct 20, 2019

    Kurton New Member

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    Or have you considered it might be the manager who can't get a tune out of decent enough players? Most of the players he plays regularly haven't even been previous managers' buys, likes of Rashford, Lingard, Parreira, McTominay, Young, de Gea are either academy players or from Fergie's time. Plus his 3 buys, that's 9 players, so he only uses 2-3 players from previous regimes and they have been our better players in Pogba and Martial. Its just more excuses for Ole. How long should we wait before Ole's buys become shit?
  3. Oct 21, 2019

    el3mel Full Member

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    None of them had us in bottom half of the table with these same players.
  4. Oct 21, 2019

    Dec9003 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....esults-standings-gameweek-9-a3968141.html?amp
    This time last season we were tenth, four points better than this season.
    Not bottom half, but not much better either.
    Plus given we made a lot of changes to the squad in the summer (namely experienced players leaving) no manager besides Solsjkaer has managed this exact United side.
    It's not a perfect comparison given the differences in fixtures and playing squad, but still worth considering.
  5. Oct 21, 2019

    el3mel Full Member

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    So my point still exist? We are doing worse than a season when we had a manager in meltdown with the board. We are currently 2 points above relegation zone. We didn't reach such stage before under any of the previous managers with the same players, so blaming them for our current state is kinda weird.
  6. Oct 21, 2019

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    Oh look we've got a comedian, our confidence is on the floor, we're playing the European champions who have won every League game this season and going by this forum 90% of our fans are hoping once Liverpool had got 4 or 5 goals up they'd take pity on us, what the feck were you expecting us to do? Go gung ho looking for a second goal, leaving gaps when they're currently are as good as anybody in Europe at taking advantage of those gaps. Feck me sideways.
  7. Oct 21, 2019

    MisterLupus New Member

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  8. Oct 21, 2019

    SteveW Full Member

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    Wait is that a post tactic about tactics that actually provides some specifics? It's unusual to see that on here.

    Good post.
  9. Oct 21, 2019

    NewGlory New Member

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    Ole outmaneuvered Klopp and got us a great point (could have been a win with some luck and concentration) against reigning champions of Europe and the team that has won every.single.league.game this season. And he did it with major players missing, by completely adapting the tactics for the particular opponent and the squad we had. Clearly he is far from the clueless, inexperienced newb that some blame him to be.

    Give the man some credit for feck's sake, seriously.
  10. Oct 21, 2019

    RedRonaldo Full Member

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    Our performance vs Liverpool is quite positive and encouraging though. Fact is we have a lot of injuries problems in the early season, so its hard to give a fair judgment, and perhaps not fair to sack him right away. Maybe at least wait until this coming Christmas to see where we are to decide.
  11. Oct 21, 2019

    starman Full Member

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    This is just you guessing, you are saying it like its a sure thing, you are just as clueless of the outcome.
    The midfielders on the bench were Garner & Mata, are you saying they would have repelled Liverpool from scoring the goal they scored?
  12. Oct 21, 2019

    Eric7C New Member

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    As usual, nuance is lost on you. Nobody said we should go gung-ho in second half. We stopped doing the good things we did in the first half: pressing as a team, winning the ball higher up the pitch to put them under pressure, passing to AWB who was always available on the right. Instead we retreated completely, allowing them to start crossing from which the goal came.

    A couple of fun facts:
    We have not scored more than one goal in any game after the opening weekend.
    We have less than 10 shots on target in total in the last 5 games.

    Unbelievable that folks can't see the limited play and tactics this coach and consequently this team are capable of. One game raising defensive performance changes nothing.
  13. Oct 21, 2019

    Foxbatt Full Member

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    I have said during the match that Fred was finished and couldn't run anymore and he should come off for Jones. Yes Jones. The main reason why we got pushed back was there was nothing more to give.
    Klopp managed to get fresh legs on and a sub scored. The reason why the cross came in was because there was so much space for them to put in the cross.
    Yes we got a good goal and we were lucky on the VAR yet we didn't play well during the whole match.
    Now if he had made the subs in midfield I will still say we would have won.
    This is a false Dawn like the PSG match. I still want him gone.
  14. Oct 21, 2019

    Strelok New Member

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    Good post Sir.

    Some are asking for a 90' pressing, the players are still human ffs :lol:

    Some even want Jones in for Fred oh my God it seems they didn't watch his last matches :lol:

    By the last 15 minutes our midfield and almost our team basically run out of gas without any possible sub while Liverpool could bring in a whole new midfield. You can blame that on Ole or Ed or both but that's all.
  15. Oct 21, 2019

    NK86 Full Member

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    Don't bother. Nothing Ole does can be wrong for some. People think that just because some are not happy with the way we retreated in the second half means we were expecting the team to go all-out. A simple continuity of the first half game plan and ability to pass with people moving forward would have been appreciated as a sign of some sort of progress. Some will allow our levels to go well below any sort of acceptable level before opening their eyes to the fact that Ole is completely out of his depth here as a manager.
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    Ain't that the truth.
  17. Oct 21, 2019

    mav_9me Full Member

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    Nothing we can do. This is going to go on for a few more weeks. Who knows at what point but at some point before the end of the year Ole will be fired. Probably waiting for Poch to be available.

    This is as inevitable as Mourinhos was.

    My only hope here is it is soon enough to salvage the season (top 4 or EL)
  18. Oct 21, 2019

    Eric7C New Member

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    Precisely. The first half had actually made me hopeful that Ole might be trying to implement a higher energy style - the style he had in the first few months as interim - but we reverted to our lazy no-runs no-support default in the second hoping to hold out for a 1-0. We are not going to win many games with this approach. How many games is it now that we have taken the lead and not gone on to win? Wolves, Southampton, Arsenal, now Liverpool.

    This is a strawman argument. We retreated from the 46th minute onwards. How do you explain that?
  19. Oct 21, 2019

    Mr. Meeseeks Full Member

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    Paradoxes should confuse everyone. That is sort of the literal definition of the word.
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    Eric7C New Member

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    Knowing Ed, he will wait till the moment when all reasonable opportunity is lost. We won't get top 4, we will not be able to land targets such as Sancho, the cycle of mediocrity will continue.
  21. Oct 21, 2019

    Strelok New Member

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    Nope:

    Unless you're a class above your opponent, you'll expect them to step up in the 2nd half trying to equalise. Then you sit back and counter.
  22. Oct 21, 2019

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    OLE IN!
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    Eric7C New Member

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    Clearly, meamth's comment has become gospel for you lot :lol:. It doesn't prove anything.

    Perhaps the truth is a bit grey? Good teams will certainly push you back, but it is also true that we came out in the second half with a totally different mentality to only defend? AWB no longer made his supporting runs; Ole even introduced Williams as a second right-back late into the half and specifically asked the team to be more compact which allowed the cross for the goal. He's an uber-defensive manager; it would be clear to everyone if he wasn't a United legend.
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    MisterLupus New Member

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    Actually United kept pushing for a second goal up until the sixtieth minute and even after that they still tried to get forward but Liverpool really put an extra gear in. It wasn't so much a change in tactic as Liverpool just upping their game as it progressed. Oh and... Williams was thrown in during overtime. They'd already scored at that point. You sure you watched the game? And please stop with this "United legend" bullshit I don't think I've ever heard anyone support him on that basis. Today was a good game from both teams - I know it sucks seeing as how you all want us to fail just so you get to say "I told you so" but that's the truth.

    United played good football - Liverpool started a bit slow compared to their usual selves but caught up a third into the second period.
  25. Oct 21, 2019

    Strelok New Member

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    You still don't get it. It's the logic in football. The best tactic against an attacking opponent always is sit back and counter.
    If you remember the last match well you'd see we had at least 3 good chances to double the score but somehow could not:
    - 2 chances where James got the ball. Rashford ready to make the run with huge space in front. James didn't pass but hold it up or decided to run it himself. Don't know why.
    - the chance with Fred.

    While we were having those chances Liverpool created basically nothing than random crosses. If we managed to score just one from those chances the match would be settled.

    P/s: I run out of quota so see you tomorrow :lol:

    Cheers :D
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  26. Oct 21, 2019

    Eric7C New Member

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    Possession stats in the first 15 mins of the second half: United 25%, Liverpool 75%. No, we definitely retreated after the break.

    And yes, I did watch the game, thanks for the snarky comment. Williams might have come on after the goal, but the point is the mindset this manager brings to our team. If it was only against Liverpool, I would have no reason to complain. However, this is a pattern, against big and small teams, we don't go in for the kill.
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    MisterLupus New Member

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    No we really didn't "retreat" we still tried to create - we just got pushed back as Liverpool got into their rhythm. And even then they had a hard time breaking us down - it was a lucky mistake gifting them that goal.
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    Eric7C New Member

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    Sorry, this is not a great revelation. I am not arguing against counter-attacking. I am arguing against a complete withdrawal into our own half by holidng our wing-backs and isolating our forwards completely. There's a line between trying to counter and trying to do a Jose.
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    But the caf said we surrendered the 2nd half. Clueless feckers.
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    Eric7C New Member

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    We tried to create in the only way we know how under Ole - pass the ball into the channels for Rashford and James. However, in the first half we had Perreira, McTominay and Fred pressing them creating opportunities for play closer to their box. This was shut down quite deliberately in the second half because the approach had completely changed.
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    We got much to defensive in the latter parts of the second half true, but we still got several good chances to catch them on the break, but failed to capitalize on them. Everyone knows completely retreating into your own box is hardly ideal but its what happens when legs tire and you defend a lead
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    MisterLupus New Member

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    First you say "the only way we know how under Ole" and then the very next sentence you admit he tried a different approach during the first half? Make up your mind - is he a one-trick pony or not? Also - do you think today's match was a poor display?
  33. Oct 21, 2019

    Gomes New Member

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    Considering the next fixtures, there is still time to save the season. For that to happen Ole needs to be gotten rid of midweek.

    But it's too much to expect of United to be proactive. Ole will somehow get 6 points from 15 and people who believe in fairy tales put that on Tuanzebe being injured.
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    Eric7C New Member

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    He is a one-trick pony about 99% of the time. He wasn't in his first couple of months at the club and he wasn't in the first half yesterday - I was quite pleased and hopeful to see it. But he reverted to his default in the second. Liverpool are an impressive team, but they were not impressive yesterday. We could have won that game with the correct mindset.

    Yesterday's match in isolation wasn't a poor display at all - it was very good, in fact. However, the pattern is clear: we are not good in putting together attacks and this will be evident in the coming weeks against lesser opposition (as it has been all season).

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    Just to repeat:
    1. Not scored more than 1 goal in any game this season after opening weekend.
    2. Not had 10 shots on target in total in the last 5 games.

    This team is simply not good at attacking and Ole seems clueless in changing it.
  35. Oct 21, 2019

    John Blund Full Member

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    We made Liverpool look like an average side. The only mindset I'd like to change yesterday was Rojo's. Why the feck did he leave Lallana as that cross came in?

    Defensive, we witnessed some tactical masterclass against a top 3 attacking team in the world yesterday. I don't know if it's because they had a better time to prepare, or if they've spent more time analyzing Liverpool, but this was probably the best defensive performance we've had under Ole. Against PSG, we were just lucky. PSG would win that game with the number of chances they created any other day.

    Going forward, we were better than against Newcastle, then again, if we play as we did against Newcastle, we'll get relegated. Rashford showed his strength several times. I didn't know he could be such a beast. We lack creativity, decision, and skill going forward.
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    MisterLupus New Member

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    It's not so much putting together the attack that's the problem - it's the end product. Our buildup warrants more than our players are able to convert. I doubt anyone with eyes in their sockets will disagree that our attack is sub-par - but I can't agree that our tactics are to blame for this. Both because this is not what I'm actually seeing - and also due to statistics pointing towards a different problem. Spaces are being opened and opportunities created - but we simply can't convert these into actual chances and even when we do manage to get a shot in our players too often miss the target. We lack cool heads up front that are adept at teamply - and (not to mention!) goalscorers.

    As for the Liverpool game - I can't fault anyone's "mindset" - we got so close to beating one of the best teams in Europe and it wasn't even a fluke. By the time we scored the first goal we deserved to be ahead - and by the time they scored theirs... Well they deserved it no questions - this draw was a fair result - but our team showed a lot of resolve during that second half more class to our defense than I've witnessed so far during Ole's reign - and I'm pretty sure Liverpool felt very lucky to get anything from it because despite their pressure not only did they struggle to break us down - but we also looked dangerous on the counter and could have easily scored another.

    Also we managed to piss Klopp off - he was whining like a princess scorned during that press conference - so yeah there's that too :devil:
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    Would you be saying that if Fred had scored from his shot? Both teams had similar amount of chances up until Liverpool scored, if we took our chances, we would have been 2-0 up.

    People on here talk as if we didn't have any shots on goal in the 2nd half, but we did. We just blew our chances and then Rojo went for a wander for 1-1.
  38. Oct 21, 2019

    Foxbatt Full Member

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    Do some people realise that our players were finished by then. Why? Because technically Liverpool were better than us.
    Where I had huge issues with Ole is his lack of planning in game management.
    He should have put in new players in midfield and taken off Fred because he was dead on his feet. When we needed to be compact, we were not.
    Now there will be a huge celebration because he drew with Liverpool. Expectations are so low that a draw with Liverpool at OT is now taken as if we have won a trophy.
    They were tactically much better and their movements were much better.
  39. Oct 21, 2019

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    His in game management is still unbelievably bad. Everyone could see we were struggling. Then when he did make changes they were bizarre.
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    A better performance only compared to the rubbish we’ve had to endure in the last games, but still only the minimum you would expect against our biggest rivals, lots of effort and high pressing in the first half which was obviously going to fade in the second half and scoring only 1 goal again (we average less than 1 goal a game) creating very few chances. This team needs a rebuild and I still don’t think Ole is the right man to do it.