I just find it amusing how many people our board has convinced to accept a complete mediocrity and brainwash into this "every manager deserves at least 3 years" nonsense. And some are saying Ed is doing a terrible job, it's a polar opposite, he is a fecking genius.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Great post! I’m pretty sure Ole isn’t good enough to bring us back to where we want to be, but those who left needed to go (except Smalling, respect for wanting to play rather than collect pay on the bench though). The rest of your post is music to my ears, I’m tired of the absolutes posters throw around, like they have a crystal ball, and of the insults thrown around when people disagree with them.
Do you really believe that this set of players are worse than the players playing for teams against which we dropped points? Palace, Bournemouth, Newcastle etc? And no fecking manager 'asks' for poor performances so it's not really a positive for Ole.
There are teams that play in the PL and other leagues that have WORSE personnel than us but still produce something called good football. You can type in two pages of excuses but you can't convince me or any other poster who has recognized that there is no coherence, no chemistry and no fluidity in our play. All we ask is not to look clueless against a half decent opponent.
I used to argue this line but this is when we had players like Pogba, Di Maria, Van Persie, Rooney, Ibrahimovic, Herrera and a half-decent Mata and Matic to choose from. At various stages, of course.Those who are Ole in are 100% convinced Leicester have a better team and wouldn't surprise me seeing someone trying to prove Sheffield have as well as I remember I saw someone arguing that Newcastle have better starting XI than us
Right now? Looking at the first team we’ve got out there today? Leicester have a better midfield and attacking unit than we do at present, certainly.
Martial is quality and James and Rashford remain promising. The rest of the midfield and attacking options are utter rubbish. Largely the result of terrible investment under both Mourinho and Van Gaal in these areas.
I am tired of arguing how shit our squad is. It's not the best in the league that's for sure but we should be doing much better than the current shitshow. I see most of you already forgot how terrible Leicester looked under Puel. Did they buy entire new XI with Rodgers? No. Leicester look great because they are coached well, not because they have some amazing squad.
Generation FIFA rhetoric.
It isn't simply just about our XI vs another's.
What about morale? Confidence? I've heard players like Rashford speak openly and publicly about feeling exhausted, unhappy about how the clubs been managed on BBC only a month or so back. I've heard McTominay echo similar sentiments.
The bold part - Colour me feckin shocked when we've had 4 completely different managers all rolling out different ideals / demands of the players in 6 years and we lack coherence, chemistry and playing style consistently........ WOW. What ground breaking revelations!
It's been this way for 6 god damned years!
These same arguments have been had with Moyes, LVG, Jose and Now Ole...and we've morons, legit...complete and utter morons still arguing on a daily basis about X manager is completely and singularly at fault..No one else!
It gets to a point where you eventually have to look past managers and look at other problems for our recent malaise.
So 10 months is not enough time it seems. How many years shall we need to get 4 or maybe 5 shots on target? Or maybe string a sequence of passes together?
And i am not the 'moron' here. Moron is the one who relentlessly defended the root of all problems Woodward during the summer and is now tracking back and talking about how the club is mismanaged and blah blah.
There are too many problems at the club but that won't make me turn a blind eye towards the manager.
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This is going to be an extremely difficult pill to swallow, its called the cold, hard, feckin truth pill....
There is no magical quick fix.
We've had serial winners, premier league experience and a manager who has worked wonders with youth throughout his career.
Behind all of this we've spent enough money to feed some small countries.
None have been overly successful to our liking.
It is what it is.
We went 27 years without a title.
The countries second biggest and most successful club... Liverpool, is waiting 29 years since their last title. Even with their better owners and better ran club in recent years, it took 5 years before they even hired a manager that was worth giving time to (Klopp). Even then he struggled at the start and it wasn't until Edwards (Sporting Director) was hired did their and his (Klopps) fortunes start to turn.
Sorry to drop all this harsh feckin truths on you but it is what it is.
You are right. We need 3 more transfer windows and then we will not be dominated by Newcastle, Saints, Palace and trashed by West Ham. Silly me, asking from this squad to be better than midtable and low table clubs and not playing on counter attacks against them.
Such utter crap!
What about beating Chelsea, twice?
Everyone had us dead to rights vs Wolves? That they'd dominate us.
Must of imagined us beating Leicester.
Everyone had us to be smashed by Liverpool......... Didn't happen either.
So easy to cherry pick some results in a vain, idiotic attempt to enforce your incorrect narrative.
Switching from Sack to Keep until the end of the season then reevalute.
Ole really lowered standards for us. We got point against mighty Wolves and it is good thing you say.
Mate, we lost 4 games already without playing any big away game and we are 10 points from CL spot already. Against good sides we wait for counter attacks like some minor team.
Oh well, no point to drag this anymore. Ole is the worst manager in Pl for me, good manager who deserves time for you.
We shall see what will happen.
What changed your mind if you don't mind me asking?
United 2-0 Brighton
Sums up our fanbase.Show improvement and demonstrate better quality of football and receive more support. It's not rocket science really.
We are playing better football. There are signs of improvement in terms of attack and the way the squad are playing together.
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I don't think it's that. You are just basing your opinion purely on results. We are playing no different today than last 20 matches. Created feck all but managed to score 2 goals with a fair bit of luck. We have not improved at all.
Feels like an uptick in form that coincides with lesser injuries. Not hard to see really.
Past managers have struggled to arrest the slide like this.
Past managers have struggled to arrest the slide like this.
I'm not basing it on today. We are showing signs of improvement which is all you can ask for given Ole's lack of experience and having to deal with losing players like Lukaku, Alexis, and now Pogba. Win or lose today, things are gradually improving.
Fair enough!
I still think it comes down to Rashford's and Martial's individual quality rather than any semblance of great team play. Like, we may be 2-0 up, but we haven't really made any good team moves. Both goals have been very fortunate and the only time we look threatening is when James or Rashford and running at their defence. I see Martial making runs and we never play him in either.
When Pogba returns, and if them Rashford and Martial stay fit, I think we'll play better football, but I think it's more to do with their quailties rather than Ole's coaching.
Coaching (or lack of) is a huge element to this. I argued this relentlessly when Mourinho was in charge. Likewise under Van Gaal and Moyes. However, there reaches a point in which you need to take a look at the squad in its current predicament and be realistic. It isn’t remotely good enough.
We look like we’re about to go into seventh, provided we see Brighton off. Given we’ve played the majority of the season without Martial, Pogba and Shaw, who are three of our best players, seventh position is around about par for the course given we’ve been playing a midfield three of Fred, McTominay and Pereira.
Towards the end of the half. We get a free kick some 40 yards out. Why are we lumping it into the box instead of a short kick and holding the ball and trying to break down their defense like a top side?
These are the little things that keep bugging me about the way the team is coached.
These are the little things that keep bugging me about the way the team is coached.
Honestly he ain't getting sacked before the end of the season so best to hope he gets the team back on track, he is backed in January etc etc..
These are our results this season vs the same exact opponents the previous year. Currently at -4, losses against Bournemouth and Newcastle have absolutely killed us.
3 losses out 6 away, 2 draws, 1 win
3 wins out 6 at home, 2 draws, 1 loss
Very mediocre overall I'd say
Not changing my opinion, keep until the end of the season.
But Ole isn’t inexperienced, he is just bad. Inexperienced is someone like Lampard, Ole has been a manager for 10 years, he’s nowhere near a rookie.
I agree. Nobody seems interested in factoring in the poor squad and injuries.
We’ve lost our highest goalscorer in Lukaku, our second best midfielder in Herrera, on top of that we’ve had loads of injuries including our best player barely kicking a ball.
The squad is littered with bang average players, fecking teenagers and ZERO characters other than an emerging Mctominay.
NONE of the previous managers had it this hard since Fergie left. You can argue Ole is to blame for last summer but you would have to be a cretin to think so and not realise Ed fecked us over again with a poxy net spend when we require a huge rebuild.
Definitely not happening with st. Woody in charge
I’ll always hope we win, but we should still get a new manager. But we’re not proactive so will probably sack him next season after a 10th place finish or something & a poor start to new one
One can hope
unlikely though. Pogba coming back from injury will be considered as a new signing as that's thatI know, I wish we'd have a better manager or better yet, that he was better himself.
This'll be a huge result for him and will buy him another few months.
Think he'll see out the season - possibly even go into the next season with fans expectations firmly lowered now.
Think he'll see out the season - possibly even go into the next season with fans expectations firmly lowered now.
I think that also. One lucky counter where we fecked it up but scored and free kick. And that is it. But i said it before. We will win then and there and that will keep buying time to Ole.
Need to win the next 2 games and it starts to put a different complexion on things.
It’s certainly not as bad a picture as was being painted by our fans a few weeks ago, with those claiming Ole will get us relegated.
It’s certainly not as bad a picture as was being painted by our fans a few weeks ago, with those claiming Ole will get us relegated.
Innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Oleball forever.
We’re still closer to relegation than top 4
Sir Alex ferguoson was a shit manager in 89 (according to the logic of some here in this thread), but turned it around with a much much better team than what we currently have. Keep faith in Ole for at least till the end of the season.
That doesn’t mean we’re going to get relegated though.
I'll only change my vote if we go on a long winning run whilst playing an effective style of football. This includes away games against teams that sit back. The next match against Sheffield United will be incredibly difficult.
Performances like today cannot be one offs. If OGS is going to succeed at this level, this has to happen regularly.
Manchester United is about having one-off bad performances, not one-off good performances, which has been the theme since he became permanent manager.
Manchester United is about having one-off bad performances, not one-off good performances, which has been the theme since he became permanent manager.
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