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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Louis is that you?
LvG was the successor of Giggs, and he very much had a permanent position here. If he knew he was just a temporary manager, why was he so salty when he got sacked? LvG's numerous transfer fiascos is his own fault, he had a very good playmaker (Kagawa) who he sold for a measly 8 million.
LvG had the tools to succeed here but flopped miserably during his second season
His first season had loads of positives to build on, but he threw everthing in his second season and played a totally different and terrible style, while fecking up the squad in summer. It's shame but he was out of his depth by the time he left.
His first season had loads of positives to build on, but he threw everthing in his second season and played a totally different and terrible style, while fecking up the squad in summer. It's shame but he was out of his depth by the time he left.
LVG finished 5th when we won the FAC. Apart from the big games, any teams that sat back we were literally bored and tortured to sleep every week!
Mate, mate, mate.... what? Unless you mean “till he got dicked by Leicester and decided to play completely sterile football every minute of every game thereafter”.
LVG’s signings were all over the place and hard to make sense of. I do think it’s way to early to label Ole’s signings as great though.
Maguire and AWB were players who it was almost certain would into e is but code extortionate fees. Both need to improve to justify those fees and be seen as great signings.
I would t be shocked to see us apply that same kind of logic to other signings, for instance Declan Rice brought in to replace Matic. Would be an improvement but massively over priced.
On a more positive note Dan James has been excellent so far and Ole deserves a lot of credit for that. I often see people even trying to spin this into criticism by saying Giggs recommended him. Ole made the decision, however he came to that decision isn’t relevant, so far it’s been an excellent one.
Actually this is a false narrative. We played crap football in his second season, but after that Leicester game immediately we played decent looking football in the rest of his first season. Not sure what happened in second season though. He threw everything he did and decided to feck up the squad and play trash football weekly.
I would bet my brain is functioning much better than yours. Also, I suggest you focus on increasing the number of neurons. Try learning a new language for example or do a PhD. Once you do that, we will talk about growing a brain. And yes, I am absolutely sure that our squad is good enough to be in top 4 this season. Pool and City are ahead, but us, Arse and the chavs are on the same level. And we do have a better squad than Leicester. The main difference between the foxes and the devils is that the former have a much better manager.
All teams go through injuries. Ole himself told that injuries can nit be used as an excuse for bad performances. Doing squad rotation properly is one if his main resposibilities. He is failing at that too. Ole was telling everyone that we will see a significant improvement in fitness levels this season, yet we look exhausted and fragile more often than not. Injuries or not we should be in top with what we have at our disposal.
The main difference is that they've had their best 11 nearly every game. Or is he better than Guardiola as well?
I'd say that this season, so far Brendan is doing better at Leicester than Pep at City. Up to this season it is a no brainer.
Manager career-wise Brendan has shown and produced much more than Ole. So yes, Brendan is a much better manager. Brendan at United would be doing better than United under Ole, while Ole at Leicester would be doing much worse than the foxes under Brendan are currently doing.
Basically this is how I see it. Rodgers would have this United team around 3rd/4th I believe. Ole would have that Leicester side around where we are now. Maybe a bit lower.
But where does it end? Alexis was a success at Arsenal. He didn’t want to leave Barca and only chose Arsenal ahead of us because of Champions League football otherwise we would have got him then. Basically Arsenal was not his first choice. We could go on with numerous examples... Carlos Tevez West Ham..
I don’t see what this has to do with him failing and us thinking we are too mighty to sign players that might not be their first choice. We won a treble with our second choice striker in Dwight Yorke. Each situation is different and rumours about us not signing a midfielder because of these concern you could even say Dybala, although slightly different.. is abit dim.
How do you think Leicester would fare with Vardy and Maddison Injured for a couple of months?
Would Leicester be where they are if they had:
Chillwell missing 9/12 (Shaw)
Tielemans missing 7/12 (Pogba)
Vardy missing 6/12 (Martial)
How does it work with someone like Poch? Would he have more or less points than Rodgers if he was at Leicester? Where would Rodgers have Spurs in the league?
Well - let me put it like this then. If a manager has any doubts about a players desire to play for the club, he should stay clear. We have had enough "stars" who failed to make an impact because they didn't want to be here, or didn't show the necesseary desire
That's a 10 point difference. Do you think he can make Rashford score consistently while leading the line, or Mata grow a new pair of legs?
I have to say i find this Rodgers worship quite bizarre. We used to laugh at him all the time when he coached Liverpool. His Liverpool career is not really that impressive. 7th, 2nd, 6th, 10th (sacked). Finishing second is not bad, but that was the season Suarez pretty much carried them on his own
Do you think Solskjaer would have Leicester playing good football. Have a sured up defence with Johnny Evans and his sidekick? Have a squad that doesn’t pick up muscle injuries and control an attack that just has Jamie Vardy?
How do you think your aunty would fare with a set of bollocks for a couple of months?
I think he could and would coach our team to have more than 1 shot per game against basement dwellers and nobodies from Europe. I think he would try something different when things weren't going his way, take a risk or two. So yes, I do think he'd win us a good few more points - 10, who knows, but a good few more.
Nope. Not me. Always found him an insufferable bellend of a bloke but never once criticised his attacking, modern football that he imposes everywhere he goes.
In all of the threads I've read related to Ole, the people that want him to stay on are consistent in saying that they don't think he's doing as well as he should, that they are not completely happy with the way we are playing at the moment, but they can see some form of improvement, which is giving them some patience with respect to the bumps in the road.
On the other hand, the Ole out brigade are half screaming vitriolic abuse at him, and half telling the Ole in people that they have no standards and that they don't give a shite about what is happening to Utd. Both halves of this crew also keep claiming that the other side are completely blind to any criticism of Ole, and are acting like some sort of donkey following a carrot. I have yet to see a single person that wants to keep Ole say anything remotely resembling this, but it's not stopping the others from perpetuating this complete falsity.
Forums are weird.
On the other hand, the Ole out brigade are half screaming vitriolic abuse at him, and half telling the Ole in people that they have no standards and that they don't give a shite about what is happening to Utd. Both halves of this crew also keep claiming that the other side are completely blind to any criticism of Ole, and are acting like some sort of donkey following a carrot. I have yet to see a single person that wants to keep Ole say anything remotely resembling this, but it's not stopping the others from perpetuating this complete falsity.
Forums are weird.
One thing I'm noticing a lot more under OGS is injuries. No idea if it's freak bad luck but the huge crisis in February this year and now all these muscle injuries that have happened... not to mention Pogba getting used at Rochdale then getting injured again?
I'd start questioning the training OGS is putting the squad through. We never really had that many injuries under Mourinho then OGS comes in and they're dropping like flies at times.
I'd start questioning the training OGS is putting the squad through. We never really had that many injuries under Mourinho then OGS comes in and they're dropping like flies at times.
Not likely but he would probably be smart enough to know that he shouldn't have sold Lukaku without having a replacement and that Mata shouldn't have been given a new contract. Especially when you're going into the season planning to play a formation that require a #10.
Think this here explains a lot why Leicester are where they are
Schmeichel 12 - Chilwell 10, Evans 12, Soyuncu 12, Pereira 12 - Barnes 11, Maddison 11, Ndidi, Choudhury 8, Tielemans 12, Perez 11, Praet 8, Vardy 12 and Gray 8
Of course it helps if you 3 months into the season haven't had a single injury. It also helps when your opponents are playing a lot of european matches - while your team can relax in England and regain fitness.
I am not saying Rodgers hasn't done a great job - of course he has, but I am pretty convinced that can explain quite a few of the Points they are ahead of us.
Great reply!
How about bringing some substance to the table and actually build an argument, instead of just throwing around unfounded and biased opinions? You can for instance start with explaining why Rodgers would make United better and Ole would make Leicester worse. Hard mode: "Ole is a shit manager" is not a valid argument.
I´m not sure what kind of injury Matic has, otherwise Shaw is the only player out now with a muscle injury (hamstering). I´m not sure there is much that could have been done to prevent the injuries of the current ones sidelined. McTominay, e.g., was heavily stepped on his food when he twisted it and I don´t think you need to be an united player to get injured from that. If you get a knock to your ankle, like Pogba did, there is not much you can do about it either. There has been some portion of bad luck, I think it´s safe to say.
McTominay: ankle injury
Pogba: ankle injury
Shaw: muscle injury (hamstring)
Bailly: knee injury
Matic: ?
Tuanzebe: hip injury
Fosu-Menza: knee injury
Dalot: hip injury
The quality of the fringe players is the problem. In some positions like striker and midfield we don't even have the numbers.
United have problems – but they’re on the right track in cup competitions, with the youth system, and have a coach who’s committed to the club
I’ve seen it said recently that Ole Gunnar Solskjaer looks haggard because of the stress of the Manchester United job. The evidence is usually some four-second GIF taken off the TV which doesn’t capture him in the best light, but which goes viral online because algorithms are built to like extremes and feed attention.
But it’s all bollocks. The Norwegian isn’t crumbling at all. I spoke to him on Friday and would describe him as animated, passionate, precise and absolutely determined to get United back to the top.
He gets a few things wrong. He thinks that Kristiansund is the greatest city on earth – better than New York, Paris or London. But what’s wrong in him having pride in his hometown, the place where his football obsession started?
Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/man-united-andy-mitten-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-tough-job-right-manager#6UWRZ21RBWlcmAYb.99
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Well - if you look at matches played during the 17/18 season - you will see that we have a fair amount of injuries back then. But our squad was much bigger so it wasn't quite as obvious. In addition - the fittest (or at least - the players who tended to stay clear of injuries) have either left or are not playing much anymore - like Lingard, Matic, Mata, Lukaku, Valencia, Young and Smalling
28. October
14. November
Although only one percent, it’s still interesting that more want to keep Ole now than 2 weeks ago.
14. November
Although only one percent, it’s still interesting that more want to keep Ole now than 2 weeks ago.
Oh can't wait for Ole to prove them all wrong. Backing him to succeed here.28. October
14. November
Although only one percent, it’s still interesting that more want to keep Ole now than 2 weeks ago.
It'll be at the back end of the season before we see any significant/obvious improvement.
If that's the way you wanna to play.
There's no evidence SAF in his prime can make leicester better, because "SAF is a great manager" is not a valid argument
Cos he's always stuffing his face?
I think there's enough evidence in the number of goals scored vs chances created and xg to suggest Leicester are over-performing at the moment.
Things will become clearer by January and I think it's a bit early to judge.
A few injuries or a dip in form here or there could change things.
I keep on saying that the biggest problem of this club is nothing other lack of accountability and standards have sunk to unacceptable levels. When you don't have standards, the very top players won't wanna be part of your project(the buzzword for clubs that are trying to sell themselves to players who otherwise wouldn't join them).
It's well and fine to say we need 3 transfer windows but what if we can't attract the right players after all of that? We must get our acts right soon.
Big positive plan for a club of United’s stature to not give a feck whether they play in the Champions league as long as a BIG, GRAND, rebuild is in place.
If this is the case, then the club is in grave danger if your top players don't challenge themselves and get angry at not competing for the big trophies. I would hate a United side whose players are content with not qualifying for the Champs League as long as they rake in huge weekly wages and you never know how players think. No one predicted Herrera's departure. You just never know how footbal pans out.
All good points. Can anybody on here honestly say that we wouldn't have a fair few more points if we were able to field our best XI almost every game & had no Europa League to contend with?
Thats the problems with fans like you
No one never know how football pans out, thus why I can't predict the future whether what we are doing will give us the result what we wanted. However what we are doing right now is the opposite of what Jose did which what Jose did wasn't working for us and it was proven.
We aren't ignoring the young players in our current squad such as Martial, Rashford and etc so we can waste money on ageing, more experienced & proven players like Matic, Perisic, Lukaku and etc anymore just for getting CL spot.
We wanted to develop and improving what we have & the talented we have so we can build a great team for success in the future. Will it work? Who knows. But this is the step we must do. Do you have another different way? Let us know, otherwise there is no point of complaining about it if you don't know what should we do better!
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