I've noticed how people that want Ole to stay tend to make hypothetical statements. So many ifs when it comes to Ole. Ole in makes hypothetical statements to show why he should stay. If Rashford didn't injure, if he was backed by the board, if Martial played well, if we had a creative midfielder, if Lindelof jumped higher, if if if if if if. Meanwhile Ole out brings facts to show why he should go.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I think it's safe to say that the squad inherited was in some ways poisoned. The club has started pulling out the weed but it is some work. In that way he has undertaken a very ungrateful job. The only thing that doesn't sit well with me is the small scale transfer activity in the summer. But I don't think that's his fault.
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Some of the logic from Ole's supporters is baffling. Jose had a better squad, Ole got rid of deadwood and we ended up with far worse squad But Ole deserves credit. How does this make any sense? Any Ole fanboy can explain please?We lost points with a fully fit squad what's so sophisticated about interpreting that ? When I hear posters using excuses for Ole saying "this or that players missing hence our bad results" the evidence of our seasons start nullifies the arguments that we perform consistently with a fit team.
What pogba did or didn't do is hypothetical propoganda that has absolutely bearing to the circumstances of the this team underperforming regardless of who's available. I look at the table and our points as a summation of Solskjaer's capabilities as a manager. We started inconsistently, we will likely finish with inconsistencies. That is my opinion.
First off, no-one talks like that.
Second off, Villa bought 13 players for that money man.
Third off, yes, €100m does buy a Richarlison. It buy a shit tonne of players, sometimes even 2 or 3. This Summer:
Hazard £88.5m, Pepe £72m, De Ligt £68m, Hernandez £68m, De Jong £65m, Rodri £63m, Jovic £58m, Cancelo £60m, Ndombele £55m, Fernandes £45m, Tielemans £40, Lozano £34, Manolas £32,
If could've got you Ziyech and a host of other players.
Yes the market has changed and yes it's much more expensive, but getting rid of a striker you don't want and spending 214m euros in 10 months as permanent manager is still a shit load of money and if used widely can massively change your team.
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Very well put, both. The very least we should expect from a competent manager now is either top 4 or narrowly missing out on that, but with vastly improved attacking football and general results.
Backers growing in numbers. Guess he'll at least see out the season and probably start the next too.
Because no one is saying we'd win every game with a fully fit squad which is what you are insinuating they are saying.
It's just common sense that we (or any other team) would have better results longer term with our best players fit. You obviously think otherwise.
Do you think we would be more likely to beat Wolves on Saturday if we had Pogba, Rashford and McTominay available, yes or no?
Maybe it will. I won't be able to tell until i've actually seen the team he's planned for on the pitch a few times though.
Half of those big money signings you list have flopped so far.
It's not really common sense because the common opinion is that injuries have serverely hampered our season. I'm not really interested in having a debate regarding hypothesis to augment some type of logical reasoning, the FACTS are we are inconsistent irrespective of injuries or having players fit because that's what's manifested itself this season. We already dropped points to Wolves with all of Mctominay, Pogba and Rashford playing, if you want a yes or no answer the team has already provided it for you to digress.
Nice try. You know it doesn't answer my question though.
You are basically saying we'd have the same chance of winning if my Sunday league side turned out for us instead because having our better players on the pitch gives us no better chance.
If he can get us 4th plus a Cup then maybe he can get next season. But if he can't get either of those two then we have to part ways and trust our rebuild to someone like Poch, Rose or Nagelsmann.
I don't know what world you live on but everything you've posted is contrary to imaginative hypothesis. Unfortunately I'm a realist so we cannot think mutually regarding the matter. My posts are aimed towards those using injuries as an excuse for our performances to excuse the responsibility of the manager.It's irrelevant who is manager, they are a valid excuse for any manager/any team. It's just a fact that having your best players available gives you more chance of winning football matches. You are trying to argue otherwise because you can't (won't) answer a simple question.
We played worse under LVG and some spells under Mourinho IMO.
No matter how "well" he does in the rest of the season, why would you keep a manager when there are far better options waiting in the wings? Makes absolutely no sense to do that, at all
You do know we don't have a right to be top 4 each season because we are Manchester United. We do not have a squad to be top 3 and questionably top 4 team. This is a true fact and no manager would change that unless new players come in.
Hmmm, LVG and Mou were those better options and that did not work.
I find absolutely no reason for us to no be ahead of Chelsea and Leicester.
Okay, I used the wrong word.
If we finish 4th or a close 5th, Fernandes plays well, and the team shows improvement, will some of the Ole-out people change their mind?
And yet both were better than Ole. Should we just give up on transfers as well because Sanchez didn’t work?
Two managers past it and everyone knew that
I said he had better players on paper, or more expensive ones anyway. All the players that have been moved on needed to be got rid of, they just haven’t been replaced. Losing Herrera was a blow, however.
And why isn’t there a plan? You wouldn’t know what a plan was if it hit you in the face in all honesty. And no, “what Klopp does” isn’t an answer.
No they didn’t. Hindsight at its finest.
Well then we just have to agree to disagree. I will say if we have everyone healthy and on form, then our squad should be 3rd. However, that's not how things work. Players get injured and they play lousy at times.
See this is the wrong thinking. If the team is improving, the style of play is pleasing to the eye, and we get good results, then you have to keep your manager IMO. Results are great but you also have to look at the big picture.
I've already provided an answer which you seem to not acknowledge from my original post, your argument is that we perform better with a fully fit squad, when we played Chelsea, Wolves and Palace the teams performances suggest otherwise. You asked if having Pogba, Mctominay and Rashford available would affluence a result in our performance against Wolves despite us already dropping points at Molineux with all three available. Every question you have asked Manchester United have already answered, the fact your so apart from reality and live in a phase of infinite possibilities is beyond comprehension.
Would Ronaldo have stayed if we beat Barcelona in the UCL final ? Would the club be better off if SAF never recommended hiring Moyes, If the Glazers family didn't exist who would own the club at present ? This highlights the credence of your level of interaction. If you have anything that is a derivative of facts then I've got no problems indulging in a basic conversation. The facts are we are inconsistent with injuries and inconsistent without injuries. That's all I'm interested in. Not pointless subjective debacles.
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Well seeing as I'm having such issue seeing such a clear and defined plan, please do enlighten me to what I'm missing.
If there was a plan there would be signs by now for all to see. Solskjaer has been here for over a year now yet we are worse in every measurable way since last season. By now any manager worth his salt would have a discernable style or at least making the most of the players at his disposal. Neither of these things can been said of Ole.
Still no answer to this simple question in my post, i'll repeat:
"Do you think we would be more likely to beat Wolves on Saturday if we had Pogba, Rashford and McTominay available, yes or no?"
The reality i live in is where everyone reading this knows the answer you are purposely avoiding giving.
And?
The facts are we already dropped points at Molineux this season with Mctominay, Pogba and Rashford available. The answer is that we are inconsistent with injuries and inconsistent without them. For you, no fault lies with the manager because our results are permissable due to circumstances. Most of the games we've lost since Solskjaer's been appointed we have had the superior team. The summation of these facts provides your answer.
I'll just take it as a yes. I'm done.Genius.
Deserves a new contract.
Deserves a new contract.
How can anyone say that we are improving? That was dire and what was worse, we had no game plan to try and break down city. Ole is learning alright, learning from Sean Dyche.
Exactly, we're playing small team football. Hope for a counter or a set piece. Notice I said hope for a counter, not construct one.
There are threads on here that clearly articulate our tactics and plan. I’m sure you’ve seen them, but yeah, feel free to carry on ignoring them.
No playing style
. Such a cliche, meaningless statement. We play fast, direct, counter attacking football. Quite obviously. Again, I’m sure you know this already. You might not like it. It’s not tiki taka, 99% possession football, but that’s what we play. That’s our “style”.As for making the most of the squad, what do you expect? He isn’t going to turn Perreira into Messi, Lingard into de Bruyne now is he? Many of our players have actually improved; Rashford, Martial, McT. Williams has been great, Fred is unrecognisable. And yet the squad is paper thin, a consequence of buying so much gash over the years. That’s not to mention the glaring weaknesses in the first team either.
No doubt this falls on deaf ears. You’ll just copy and paste the same drivel as you have been, post after post, thread after thread. Lucky for me I won’t have to see it anymore.
I agree that our squad is poor now, but when Ole took over we finished 2nd in the league and runners up in the fa cup final 6 months prior. The argument was that our players were not that bad but poorly coached. I agree that we've been unlucky with injuries but all of us said we were screwed this season when we shipped out midfielders and forwards without bringing anyone in.
And 80 mil for Harry Maguire is comedy. Leicester didn't even replace him and are doing even better than they were before.
Greenwood-Martial-Lingard VS Mahrez-Aguero-Sterling
Fred-Matic-Williams VS De Bruyne- Gundogan- Silva
Maybe, just maybe it's not a lack of a plan, but a lack of quality players. We even won with a team far, far inferior to our opponent. But Solskjaer is the idiot. Like always.
Fred-Matic-Williams VS De Bruyne- Gundogan- Silva
Maybe, just maybe it's not a lack of a plan, but a lack of quality players. We even won with a team far, far inferior to our opponent. But Solskjaer is the idiot. Like always.
Anyone see Ole mouth to a forward,”do it again and youre fcking off!!” ?
My money on Martial
My money on Martial
That was Lingard I guess as he was subbed off.
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