Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll added)

Sack or Keep OLE?


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The absolute dire, turgid football we play is the death knell for me. For all the talk of him understanding the club and the way we should play he is arguably the most defensive coach we've had since Fergie. The squad he is building is indicative of this.

Wow, you have a very short memory.

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Can we all agree that Ole's track record or CV shows he's under qualified to coach one of the biggest clubs in the world. When such an unqualified person is in charge of such a big organization all eyes are on him and he is put on a very short leash. Meaning results are expected no matter the circumstances or else people can easily criticize him "I told you he wasn't qualified for the job". Looking at his CV the only way Ole should keep his job is if he actually overachieves.. That's how he got the job in the first place.

He's currently underachieving and is now proving he is not qualified enough for the job. He has to overachieve again if he wants to stay in charge. And by that I mean results and performances. Nobody gives a shit about what an under qualified manager does outside the pitch. Whether he promotes youth or clears deadwood or buys the right players.. All these can still be done when he's gone.

None of Guardiola or Zidane would have lasted long if they didn't deliver instantly. Those two managers were clearly unqualified for their jobs but they didn't just achieve things. They overachieved and did things none of their predecessors did. That's how an under qualified manager should keep his job. You have to constantly prove you're fit for the job because everybody thinks you're not good enough when they look at your past. The only way an under qualified manager like Ole should keep his job is by overachieving and shocking everyone. Right now he has us at 8th on course to our lowest points tally in 30 years, all this has shown is that he is living up to his poor CV
 

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Can we all agree that Ole's track record or CV shows he's under qualified to coach one of the biggest clubs in the world. When such an unqualified person is in charge of such a big organization all eyes are on him and he is put on a very short leash. Meaning results are expected no matter the circumstances or else people can easily criticize him "I told you he wasn't qualified for the job". Looking at his CV the only way Ole should keep his job is if he actually overachieves.. That's how he got the job in the first place.

He's currently underachieving and is now proving he is not qualified enough for the job. He has to overachieve again if he wants to stay in charge. And by that I mean results and performances. Nobody gives a shit about what an under qualified manager does outside the pitch. Whether he promotes youth or clears deadwood or buys the right players.. All these can still be done when he's gone.

None of Guardiola or Zidane would have lasted long if they didn't deliver instantly. Those two managers were clearly unqualified for their jobs but they didn't just achieve things. They overachieved and did things none of their predecessors did. That's how an under qualified manager should keep his job. You have to constantly prove you're fit for the job because everybody thinks you're not good enough when they look at your past. The only way an under qualified manager like Ole should keep his job is by overachieving and shocking everyone. Right now he has us at 8th on course to our lowest points tally in 30 years, all this has shown is that he is living up to his poor CV
Pretty much. If you didn't do enough to have a legit CV then you have to make up for it in-job, as you say.
 

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Can we all agree that Ole's track record or CV shows he's under qualified to coach one of the biggest clubs in the world. When such an unqualified person is in charge of such a big organization all eyes are on him and he is put on a very short leash. Meaning results are expected no matter the circumstances or else people can easily criticize him "I told you he wasn't qualified for the job". Looking at his CV the only way Ole should keep his job is if he actually overachieves.. That's how he got the job in the first place.

He's currently underachieving and is now proving he is not qualified enough for the job. He has to overachieve again if he wants to stay in charge. And by that I mean results and performances. Nobody gives a shit about what an under qualified manager does outside the pitch. Whether he promotes youth or clears deadwood or buys the right players.. All these can still be done when he's gone.

None of Guardiola or Zidane would have lasted long if they didn't deliver instantly. Those two managers were clearly unqualified for their jobs but they didn't just achieve things. They overachieved and did things none of their predecessors did. That's how an under qualified manager should keep his job. You have to constantly prove you're fit for the job because everybody thinks you're not good enough when they look at your past. The only way an under qualified manager like Ole should keep his job is by overachieving and shocking everyone. Right now he has us at 8th on course to our lowest points tally in 30 years, all this has shown is that he is living up to his poor CV
No, the Ole in fans are convinced that Ole has suddenly entered the worlds best elite of managers and that no one but Klopp or Pep would improve us.
 

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Michael Edwards is currently the highly rated DOF of Liverpool. But funnily enough previously he was blamed for poor recruitment and missing out on great players when Rodgers got sacked. Even more ironic he wasn’t even DOF at that time but got promoted later on. Here is blamed for all that’s wrong at Liverpoolhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3262490/Liverpool-s-head-technical-performance-Michael-Edwards-laptop-guru-did-number-Brendan-Rodgers.html

Probably ends the myth of DOF being more important then manager.

Here he is, 4 years later, praised as one of the best https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cityam.com/how-liverpool-sporting-director-michael-edwards-rose-to-the-very-top/amp/

What changed in that 4 years?
I didn't say DoF is more important than manager.
 

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Pretty much. If you didn't do enough to have a legit CV then you have to make up for it in-job, as you say.
Funnily enough Nagelsmann just backed up my point "It's normal if Real Madrid call you [in 2018], you think about it, If you go, there's no time to improve as a manager. You don't have a chance to be a better manager, you already have to be the best. They only want to see victories every game, titles, Champions League trophies."
 

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Wow, you have a very short memory.

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And LvG was deservedly sacked, as Ole should be.

Performances this year have been around the level of LvGs second season, if not worse.
 

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Michael Edwards is currently the highly rated DOF of Liverpool. But funnily enough previously he was blamed for poor recruitment and missing out on great players when Rodgers got sacked. Even more ironic he wasn’t even DOF at that time but got promoted later on. Here is blamed for all that’s wrong at Liverpoolhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3262490/Liverpool-s-head-technical-performance-Michael-Edwards-laptop-guru-did-number-Brendan-Rodgers.html

Probably ends the myth of DOF being more important then manager.

Here he is, 4 years later, praised as one of the best https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cityam.com/how-liverpool-sporting-director-michael-edwards-rose-to-the-very-top/amp/

What changed in that 4 years?
Bang. Knockout overhand, mate. They won't admit the truth. Always something to blame that isn't Ole. Until he goes and we do improve. Unless we hire Neil Warnock but then again he's also more proven in Cardiff context...
 

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Michael Edwards is currently the highly rated DOF of Liverpool. But funnily enough previously he was blamed for poor recruitment and missing out on great players when Rodgers got sacked. Even more ironic he wasn’t even DOF at that time but got promoted later on. Here is blamed for all that’s wrong at Liverpoolhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3262490/Liverpool-s-head-technical-performance-Michael-Edwards-laptop-guru-did-number-Brendan-Rodgers.html

Probably ends the myth of DOF being more important then manager.

Here he is, 4 years later, praised as one of the best https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cityam.com/how-liverpool-sporting-director-michael-edwards-rose-to-the-very-top/amp/

What changed in that 4 years?
No one said the DOF is more important than the manager, and this comes off like a very weird way to defend Woodward
 

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Pretty much. If you didn't do enough to have a legit CV then you have to make up for it in-job, as you say.
I don't get why this is so difficult for Oles Cult to see.

Many people are hired above their station. It's on them to prove the interviewers were right to gamble based on things they saw in that person. If they don't goodbye. Mistake, move on.

They gambled on a shit CV based on something they saw that has now failed.
 

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Bang. Knockout overhand, mate. They won't admit the truth. Always something to blame that isn't Ole. Until he goes and we do improve. Unless we hire Neil Warnock but then again he's also more proven in Cardiff context...
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No one said the DOF is more important than the manager, and this comes off like a very weird way to defend Woodward
Exactly and that post doesn't even make sense in the context.
 

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I've been Ole to be sacked at end of season because getting an interim for the long shot of coming 4th is pointless. If city's ban makes 5th a CL position I'm all for an immediate dismissal because that's a very realistic goal. I know Ole ins will argue to give him till end of season for the exact reason but we can agree to disagree

Edit: whatever cost we would have saved by waiting till June will now be worth it if the risk pays off and we make CL. Makes sense for the money men upstairs
 
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Get rid immediately while 5th is still a realistic possibility. The football gods are doing everything to hand us CL qualification on a plate this season - we can't feck it up now.
 

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No, the Ole in fans are convinced that Ole has suddenly entered the worlds best elite of managers and that no one but Klopp or Pep would improve us.
Actually. They even argue that Klopp or Pep wouldn’t do any better with what Ole has.
 

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No one said the DOF is more important than the manager, and this comes off like a very weird way to defend Woodward
Who said anything about Woodward? It’s a simple before and after showing how the perception of one man changed from clueless to highly competent within 4 years. Only thing that changed was the manager... also I really doubt that while Rodgers was challenging for the title the media were calling Edward a failure.
 

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Hmm.

If we lose to Chelsea, we’ll be a pathetic, but deserved, 9th in the league - and have a rare opportunity to get CL football by finishing 5th.

Ed would have a decent excuse to replace him at that point. And the new manager buzz would probably secure top 5 at least. Pogba would suddenly be fit again & partner with B. Fernandes.
 

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We must act now ffs. We are so so lucky this year. Despite awful form we can still now reach CL. Not to mention that Pochettino will surely go in City if Pep leaves.

If we stick with Ole we will ruin this season and next.
 

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What he is doing is surrounding himself with players who he gets along with and not necessarily the ones who are ambitious, they are then named as not fitting the culture of the club and some of the fans lap it up.
Yes! Was going to post about this because the thing that really sticks out for me about Ole’s reign is offloading Lukaku, who was actually a large part of his new manager bounce.

The most logical explanation is he’s surrounding himself with players he feels comfortable with. Younger Man Utd youth teams type who he works well with and often improves. But it’s one of the most undermining aspects of his leadership that he couldn’t handle the big egos about and represents for me a complete failure to manage the resources available to him effectively.

I’m so sick of seeing the ‘deadwood’ argument left, right and centre and the way it’s just accepted as a some kind of universal truth; like saying the earth goes round the sun or water boils at 100 degrees. We got rid of or loaned out the ‘deadwood’ and now we’re worse. Plus where was all the deadwood talk during the ‘new manager bounce’? And what’s the solution now we’re worse, get rid of more deadwood?
 

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We must act now ffs. We are so so lucky this year. Despite awful form we can still now reach CL. Not to mention that Pochettino will surely go in City if Pep leaves.

If we stick with Ole we will ruin this season and next.
What makes you think Poch would be an instant success to achieve anything this season? He had poor starts at both Southampton and Spurs.
 

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Even the Ole in brigade will be running out of excuses if 5th place get ucl football and Ole still messes up not getting champions league football.
 

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Yes! Was going to post about this because the thing that really sticks out for me about Ole’s reign is offloading Lukaku, who was actually a large part of his new manager bounce.

The most logical explanation is he’s surrounding himself with players he feels comfortable with. Younger Man Utd youth teams type who he works well with and often improves. But it’s one of the most undermining aspects of his leadership that he couldn’t handle the big egos about and represents for me a complete failure to manage the resources available to him effectively.

I’m so sick of seeing the ‘deadwood’ argument left, right and centre and the way it’s just accepted as a some kind of universal truth; like saying the earth goes round the sun or water boils at 100 degrees. We got rid of or loaned out the ‘deadwood’ and now we’re worse. Plus where was all the deadwood talk during the ‘new manager bounce’? And what’s the solution now we’re worse, get rid of more deadwood?
This deadwood argument is like one of those arguments from creationists, made up stories to fit an already existing agenda. The real deadwood is Jones, Rojo, Bailly (because they just can't stay fit) and Lingard (who's focus is not football at all, no manager is changing that) most of whom Ole regularly plays.
 

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What makes you think Poch would be an instant success to achieve anything this season? He had poor starts at both Southampton and Spurs.
I am not talking about this season only. Poch is far better option than failed Cardiff manager for this season and for the next. If we wait to long, he will go somewhere else. And there is always that new manager impact.
With new manager i am pretty sure that we will be 5th.

Wait, you really think that Poch is not better option for us than our failed Cardiff manager?
 

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No it’s appoint someone competent and qualified to do the job who can offer progression not regression. Few are expecting an instant title challenge just an improvement on the dross Ole is serving up.
Getting players fit and getting players with quality will improve.

On course for the lowest point tally in over 30 years, saying our rivals putting out their best squad means they respect us, playing Rashford - a fan favoirite through injury in the third round of fa cup which has sidelined him for a long period, consistently failing to capitalize on top 4 rivals dropping points since last season up to this season, the sarr rape case,... Let's be honest, if Moyes did all this he would have been crucified. Can you imagine if Moyes played our beloved Rashford in the 3rd round of fa cup and he got injured then comes out to say the he Rashford has been playing through pain and he knew he was risking him?
Give me a break. What is next? Solskjaer is for war in world because he don't give any statement that he is against it? That he is for poverty and hunger because he don't give any statement?

If Moyes was in Solskjaer position I would still think he need time. But Moyes was in lot better position when he came. You can't even compare that.

I did not give any excuse, excuses come from a defendant side. I'm accusing Ole of all the stupid decisions that have lead to the position that we find ourselves in. Any sane manager would have identified that we need attackers to score goals against 70% of shit sides that we face in the league. Maximum points from these games could easily have us in the top 4, then it wouldn't even matter if we get hammered against the top 6 sides. That is how Poch managed to keep Spurs in top 4. But what does Ole do, blow all the budget on defenders or right back without any attacking prowess?

I think it's the Ole in group that have this vision that its all on players that once improved upon will automatically improve results. Why need a manager/coach then, just buy the best players you can find for each position and we are fixed. What is the reason for the horrendous set of games at the end of last season, I believe the team was much better than what it is now (I don't know why I'm asking this anyway as I already know the excuses, players not fit enough, Ole did not have time to implement his style, deadwood, etc. etc. but you guys are happy to attribute the new manager bounce to Ole). You guys speak as if we have crap players, while many of them are internationals. Its like a circular argument, the manager can't coach players to perform, so players are crap. There are always these imaginary players who will make us better but none of them who join us seem to be able to do that. So the cycle continues.

Yes, Pogba wanted to leave under Mourinho because their working relationship was beyond broken. Ole seems to have a good rapport with Pogba, what is the excuse now for Pogba wanting to leave? Is it because he sees Ole has no clue what he's doing? You lost your own argument.

I presented you with a list of reasons, you seem to have conveniently ignored to address them. Let us pick one, can you defend the 88th minute subs when chasing the game. Can you at least give a rationale behind that decision of Ole?
So you think it is our manager fault that we chased lot of attackers but couldn't finnish any deals?

Pogba never wanted to come to Manchester. And he wants out as soon as he can. Nothing to do with any manager. I was against buying him back because he and his agent showed how much they cared when Fergie put his foot down and he left for Juventus.

While I don't know the exactly thoughts our coaching team had I believe that putting Dalot and Lingard gave us fresh legs. Mata and James played a lot and we needed more energy. Yes, there is maybe hard to understand why putting on more defensive player and one that is far from any kind of form but we don't have players (injuries /thin squad) that we could use as great subs that game.

Did you see the sheer hypocrisy in that post you replied to? Poch has won nothing so it suggests he's unlikely to win something any time soon, so we should consider that before appointing him. But in the immediate next line he goes on to suggest when it comes to Ole, it doesn't matter what Ole has done before we should blindly support him. This shows what Ole in brigade are all about. With fans like these, I think e deserve the mediocrity that we'll have.
Still missing the point. I'll try to explain again.
Poster said something about how Solskjaer didn't have anything to show for him getting ManUtd job. While I agree that he wasn't the best guy, he got the job. Then people say that we should hire Pochettino to win titles. I said, what has he won that show he would be taking titles to Old Trafford when he won zero titles as a manager. That was my reply to what has Solskajer done. Then I said that what they have done in past is not messure what they can achive in ManUtd. Solskjaer or Pochettino or whoever maybe goes on winning streak desite not winning in previous clubs (Although Solskjaer got league titles)
 

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Getting players fit and getting players with quality will improve.


Give me a break. What is next? Solskjaer is for war in world because he don't give any statement that he is against it? That he is for poverty and hunger because he don't give any statement?

If Moyes was in Solskjaer position I would still think he need time. But Moyes was in lot better position when he came. You can't even compare that.


So you think it is our manager fault that we chased lot of attackers but couldn't finnish any deals?

Pogba never wanted to come to Manchester. And he wants out as soon as he can. Nothing to do with any manager. I was against buying him back because he and his agent showed how much they cared when Fergie put his foot down and he left for Juventus.

While I don't know the exactly thoughts our coaching team had I believe that putting Dalot and Lingard gave us fresh legs. Mata and James played a lot and we needed more energy. Yes, there is maybe hard to understand why putting on more defensive player and one that is far from any kind of form but we don't have players (injuries /thin squad) that we could use as great subs that game.


Still missing the point. I'll try to explain again.
Poster said something about how Solskjaer didn't have anything to show for him getting ManUtd job. While I agree that he wasn't the best guy, he got the job. Then people say that we should hire Pochettino to win titles. I said, what has he won that show he would be taking titles to Old Trafford when he won zero titles as a manager. That was my reply to what has Solskajer done. Then I said that what they have done in past is not messure what they can achive in ManUtd. Solskjaer or Pochettino or whoever maybe goes on winning streak desite not winning in previous clubs (Although Solskjaer got league titles)
You plucked that crap out of thin air.
 

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If City fails with their appeal then 5th position will be enough to qualify for CL. If Ole can't manage that then I think he should be sacked. This is bare minimum requirement now
 

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I am not talking about this season only. Poch is far better option than failed Cardiff manager for this season and for the next. If we wait to long, he will go somewhere else. And there is always that new manager impact.
With new manager i am pretty sure that we will be 5th.

Wait, you really think that Poch is not better option for us than our failed Cardiff manager?
Why are you pretty sure a new manager would finish above Spurs for 5th who have a better squad and a manager as good as Mourinho?

I think he'd be a decent option if it gets to the point i think Ole deserves the sack, but this idea that he's some sort of saviour that we can't possibly miss out on is ridiculous.
 

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Wow, you have a very short memory.

Manchester United 0 West Bromich Albion 1

LvG
That was Mourinho wasn't it? The result handed City the league in 17/18.

Edit: just realised you may have been referring to LVG separately. To which I would concur.
 

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Just imagine.

We keep Ole. Fail to get 5th. Pep leaves City. City replace him with Poch.

We're stuck with Ole for next season.

I could see that happening.
 

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Why are you pretty sure a new manager would finish above Spurs for 5th who have a better squad and a manager as good as Mourinho?

I think he'd be a decent option if it gets to the point i think Ole deserves the sack, but this idea that he's some sort of saviour that we can't possibly miss out on is ridiculous.
Is he better coach than Solskjaer? At least one level better? Yes or no?

We bought AWB because he is better than Young. We bought Maguire because he is ( apparently) better than Smalling. We bought Bruno because he is better than Lingard ( well, who isn't) and Pereira.
So, why not upgrade THE most important position in whole club?
 

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Just imagine.

We keep Ole. Fail to get 5th. Pep leaves City. City replace him with Poch.

We're stuck with Ole for next season.

I could see that happening.
In first moment when i saw news about City i thought about that. My reaction was not "yes, feck you City" or "ha ha ha". My reaction was- "Oh, we are fecked"
 

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Is he better coach than Solskjaer? At least one level better? Yes or no?

We bought AWB because he is better than Young. We bought Maguire because he is ( apparently) better than Smalling. We bought Bruno because he is better than Lingard ( well, who isn't) and Pereira.
So, why not upgrade THE most important position in whole club?
Maybe he is but there's more to this job than just being a good 'coach'. He was replaced by our ex manager because he couldn't 'coach' a very good Spurs team to decent results this season.
 

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Is he better coach than Solskjaer? At least one level better? Yes or no?

We bought AWB because he is better than Young. We bought Maguire because he is ( apparently) better than Smalling. We bought Bruno because he is better than Lingard ( well, who isn't) and Pereira.
So, why not upgrade THE most important position in whole club?
Hes won nothing. How is he better?
 

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No one said the DOF is more important than the manager, and this comes off like a very weird way to defend Woodward
Basically if Woodward had managed to hire Klopp, he would have been lauded as the best CEO/DOF/Negotiator in the world. It mostly depends on the manager.
 

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Maybe he is but there's more to this job than just being a good 'coach'. He was replaced by our ex manager because he couldn't 'coach' a very good Spurs team to decent results this season.
Yeah, sure. So everything what he did before that season is irelevant? Then why do you want failed Cardiff manager and someone who managed to be 5th in bloody Norway?
Meh, i don't know why i go in these talks with you. Even if our "manager" finishes season on 10th place you would defend him. Oh well, it is your right i guess. We shall see what will happen
 

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Just imagine.

We keep Ole. Fail to get 5th. Pep leaves City. City replace him with Poch.

We're stuck with Ole for next season.

I could see that happening.
I see us getting 5th, as the team we have now, even on autopilot should get 5th. The state of our competitors is worse, none of them were able to pump 200 million in the squad in the past 7 months.

We are stuck with Ole until Christmas atleast.
 

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Maybe he is but there's more to this job than just being a good 'coach'. He was replaced by our ex manager because he couldn't 'coach' a very good Spurs team to decent results this season.
So what else is there to this job than just being a good coach that Pochettino hasn't proven to be able to do
 

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So what else is there to this job than just being a good coach that Pochettino hasn't proven to be able to do
You have to "get the club" and have "United DNA" basically. If you don't have these, as a manager, you will inevitably fail at this club. Where as, you could be absolutely amateur level as a coach, as long as you have the special United sauce mentioned above, it's inevitable you will go on to lead the club to a sustained period of the highest success, just so long as you are willing to sit down and shut up and take what you are given when it's all shite at the start, you don't want to be a spoiled impatient brat after all.

So, to sum up, in order to lead this club to success, the only thing to do is keep a hold of the most amateur manager, potentially in the league, and that no top club in the world would touch with a 10 foot barge pole, and let him have 5 seasons and all the funds he wants, it will work. Pochettino doesn't have that United DNA, he doesn't get the club like Solskjaer, it doesn't matter that he's proven to be 10x the manager Solskjaer is without even winning anything, he will 100% fail regardless. Only Ole the Messiah can lead us to the promised land.

These are all proven and verifiable facts by the Ole in club.
 
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