When will people understand the difference in Zidane, Pep and Solskjaer?
Top 4 every season and the odd CL final is miles better than where we are.
Great post!
So where did @midnightmare get his info about Southampton from?
With Real Madrid's squad? Certainly not.
But Poch has better achievements than Ole if you try to go that route. You can't really say winning the Norwegian league somehow makes Ole more qualified. The winner of my local church league doesn't become qualified to manage us because he won something obscure. Poch's lack of trophies shouldn't be mentioned when the point of comparison is a manager that has done less. That's a double standard
Yeah, it's incredibly weird logic - imagine trying to apply the same train of thought to players.
I've asked you before in this, or one of the numerous other Ole threads who are these experienced coaches you think he could bring in? In a few weeks Ole is 47, not some rookie starting out, and any relatively experienced coach making waves in the football world would obvious be wanting to try his hand at Management and not go to Old Trafford just be one of the coaches despite the appeal of Manchester United. Carlos Queiroz was a one off, SAF definitely lucked out there.
Wouldn't that be the 20.4% who plumped for giving Ole till the end of the season then replace him?
We need to be successful first, and if we can achieve that by basically being a counter-attacking team so what, Leicester City won the League on the strength of it, you could argue SAF turned United from nearly-men to winners by using Kanchelskis and Giggs who were destructive on the counter, George Graham's Arsenal another team, the list is endless and probably the best of the lot were Brian Clough's Forest who could send you to sleep but they were masters at it, it was like watching somebody 2 steps ahead at chess, there's an art to it, might not be everybodies cup of tea, but if it gets us up and running and we then build on it where's the harm?
.Why are we currently trying to play counter attacking football when we can't pull it off against any team that sits back because Ole is clueless and plays the same formation every match? It doesn't suit our current players yet he insists on it. You would think that he would try some different tactics but he doesn't have a clue how because he is a pathetic manager. Basically every team in the league has us figured out and its only going to go down hill from here. We are ninth in the league. He is a disgrace of a manager in all honesty.
I like to optimistic but with Ole in charge we will not get champions league football especially with the fixtures coming up.
Thanks for that image.
That won't happen while ED is CEO.
100x better? I've told you 1,000,000 times don't exaggerate
Pochettino outperformed them if you look at money spent (Mourinho and Gaal were better then him in a season each) but on other hand Pochettino was worse (not meaning that he is worse manager, just performence) then Solskjaer this year prior his sacking. He made Tottenham a mid-team despite having better squad then us. Football is wierd, isn't it?
I'm defending him. Not praising. There is a difference. He hasn't failed at ManUtd. He is buildning something and we will see if board is happy to give him more time. I would.
I don't really know where people get this that I've said that Solskjaer is better? I never said that. Neither have I said that Pochettino is better. I'm defending Solskjaer from lot of unfair criticism. I can without problem say that he has made misstakes (from what I see) but every manager makes misstakes. But I can also see things that have been done in very good way.
I am not looking for short term success. I want the club to take the long term view this time. Modern football has moved on from that style of football as you can see with what the elite clubs are trying to do. We need to lay the ground work for a modern style this time and Poch is a step in that direction even though not my first choice.
Would you still want to keep him on if he finishes outside the top five?
It'll put him in good stead for working with Ed Woodward then if he gets the job.The day of last years CL final if Poch was offered to us as manager would you have taken him? I think 80% of the forum would. Yes it broke down for him in the end but that doesn't mean he all of a sudden became a bad manager. Working with Levy it was bound to break down, especially with the new stadium being built with not a lot of transfer funds and their players getting paid a lot less than at other clubs. It just reached the point of no return.
I've been following Poch since his Espanyol days and he punched well above his weight there even though he got sacked in the end. Once again it was similar circumstances to Spurs where Espanyol were building a new stadium, selling their best players and bringing in cheaper options. People will say why would we want a manager who's been sacked twice? That's a fair question but they need to understand it wasn't because he is a bad manager and I think he's proved that he is capable of taking over a team and elevating them to the next level. One thing we haven't tried since SAF retired is hiring a young, progressive thinking modern manager and Poch falls nicely into this category.
But a word of advice to him. Don't go to a job where they're thinking of building a new stadium
To be fair even if that happened he wouldn't have bought himself anything.
Thing is some of the criteria you use to criticise Poch's suitability for the role favours Ole even less. You also can't go from giving Poch the benefit of the doubt on nothing to giving Ole the benefit of the doubt on everything
There's plenty of coaches who can bring new ideas to the club or can provide a wealth of experience to those who need. Sir Alex used to be on the look out for them. In fact he brought people like Mclaren, Rene, Queroz, Walter Smith and Mclaren. Unfortunately Ole seem to want his own men, which unfortunately most of them are as inexperienced as he is. That's strange because someone as inexperienced as him would need such experience.
Absolutly. It doesn't matter who manager is. If club has decided to go this way and not buying stars for instant success than I'm all for that he or whoever would be given time. If it is not clear that he is destorying the club. I say, give Solskajer one more year (or at least until december) with couple of signings and I would be harder to judge. Then you can say he has got time and we can see if club is going forward or not.
That is just because I'm tired of unfair criticism of Solskjaer. He should get criticism, but it has to be right one. He is now getting it in every form and even for things that are out of his hands.
Yeah, it's impossible to say one way or the other as there isn't a great deal between United, Chelsea, Spurs, Wolves or Sheffield.
I keep seeing this argument about and I suppose it makes sense to some degree. But I think, if there's a time to judge him as a manager, it's when the chips are down, not with a fully fit squad and against preferred opposition. We know it works sometimes in those circumstances, that's all well and good but not very helpful at the moment. It's when the seas are rough that you get a chance to see how sturdy the vessel is. To continue the analogy, he cut so much 'deadwood' off the boat at the start of the season, it seems when the storms hit we're not quite as sturdy as he anticipated at all. In fact, we're basically now sinking. You just can't ignore the fact that this thin squad is basically on his head. That was his choice. He's responsible for the whole season, not just when he has his preferred XI and playing against preferred opposition. Now is absolutely the time to judge him in terms of 'ok so you sold Lukaku and didnt bother replacing at all, did you not consider that this would bite you in the ass like it has so obviously gone and done now?'
You're the comedian suggesting that some of of us obviously deluded fans who are prepared to give Ole time claim him to be the Messiah, and he should be given 5 years, and i've got a defiant attitude problem, you really couldn't make it up
If it's just about PL records should we ask Chris Wilder if he fancies the job?
Good lord, the idea that Van Gaal was about to kick on... I have no idea what to do with that, his signings all failed and the club was going nowhere.
Who is suggesting that? Name one poster, just one
I'd take him over Ole in a heartbeat.
We've historically struggled against sides that sit deep and don't allow space in behind, even in SAF's glory years, how many times did we score late winners/equalisers against teams who on paper we should have destroyed. Ole has obviously taken the decision with the players currently in the squad to go down that route, when he gets better players and the team is playing with more confidence he'll introduce a more expansive game, or that will be the plan.Are people actually comparing Ole to Zidane?
Zidane had Madrid playing great football as soon as he arrived!
Ole spent 150 million in the Summer and the team is worse than last season. There is only one manager in the World that could do that and its Ole.
He plays the same formation and tactics every single match. It was grand for the first six seven games he was in charge last season but every other manager in the league realized that Ole doesn't change his formation or tactics, hence why we dropped so many points this season and are now in ninth
He is so far out of his depth its actually quite scary. He is clueless.
I can honestly see us finishing either 9th 10th 11th or 12th this season but the fan boys will still stick up for Ole.
Its time to get Poch in now and not wait for the Summer.
Why are we currently trying to play counter attacking football when we can't pull it off against any team that sits back because Ole is clueless and plays the same formation every match? It doesn't suit our current players yet he insists on it. You would think that he would try some different tactics but he doesn't have a clue how because he is a pathetic manager. Basically every team in the league has us figured out and its only going to go down hill from here. We are ninth in the league. He is a disgrace of a manager in all honesty.
Ole has had a year in charge and spent in the region of £200 million upgrading the squad - considerably more than fellow CL hopefuls Arsenal, Spurs, Wolves, Chelsea and Sheffield - yet we find ourselves in a similar position to when he took over. In addition to the money spent in the transfer market, Ole has some of the best training facilities in world football at his disposal. Why, then, have the players shown no improvement in terms of attacking play and team cohesion? Half the problem with our team is we look like a bunch of individuals darting about the pitch rather than a solidified unit united in a common goal, which to me speaks only of a coaching issue.
They are, with Ole, even if we miss out on T4/5(Hi City!) and end the season trophy-less Ole will probably keep his job, if that is the right or wrong decision only time will tell.
Wow this is so untrue it's criminal. The last 15 years or so under SAF every team we played at OT sat deep and we had no problems dispatching routine beatdowns. Breaking down deep teams was never an issue and it's ridiculous you're trying to extend this fault to Fergie. This kind of false equivalence between element's of SAF and Klopp's tenures does Ole no favours
