I know. Which is why I think that this record does not mean much.
Ummm. That squad you don’t rate finished 3 places above us and was ahead all season. They did add players by the bye and have a very exciting crop of their own youngsters - all of whom carried substantially greater experience into the team than ours. Oh and the general atmosphere was better too as a result of better performances last season. How you can dismiss that is beyond me.
You are talking with a religious person dude. According to him, Pochettino is The God, the Son and the Holy Spirit, all combined on one.
Pochettino has shown with limitations he can lose a dressing room and get fired. You say, its not that Oles doing well. It's that the board supported him. That's what you're saying despite wordinging it like you think he's done well. I'm not actually that shocked the things people say these days but it's not exactly fair or logical. What if the players we have don't like Pochettino ... Why should the players be happy? We wouldn't even have the bonus of him being able to get players from his other clubs because we're not after any of them. So I'm not really seeing the point. You want to destroy something that's actually working....
That’s just picking nits and you know it. Busby has mitigation that’s unquestionable. The number was clearly cited because that poster said that “objectively” stats prove Ole to be “the worst manager post Fergie”. That’s patently I true. Even ignoring context, Ole is statistically now only behind Jose on that “results” stat.
Yep, statisic-wise, that is nonsense. He is not.
Yup. He could do that. And I’d still not change my opinion now. I remember when Jose was on that winning run in his second season. People kept defending him while pointing at the table. Everyone else said they trusted their eyes and predicted a big fall given that the run was just clearly unsustainable. It’s the reverse now in a lot of ways. The leaks then were of a dressing room that was increasingly weary and getting positively mutinous. Of a squad that was finished and of a manager who was increasingly throwing players under the bus. The PCs got increasingly toxic and Sevilla marked a low I’ll never forget. The results went increasingly downhill even in that season. It could not be any more different to where we are now. I wanted the manager sacked then. Again, it could not be more different to now.
And drove them into the basement before he got fired - strange how that always seems to get lost when pro-Pochettino fans evalutate his time at Spurs.
Van Gaal second season we won 3 league games from October to December, somehow he survived it.
Poch competed with (and embarrassingly lost to) Leicester. He literally finished third in a two-horse race, ffs.
You could say he survived in that he got to see out the season, but I don't think from December onwards anyone thought LVG would be our manager for the 16-17 season. It amazes me that the man himself seemed to think this was going to happen
This is a good point, and never considered. Ole looked finished before Bruno's signing, it was reaching the point of wishing for Moyes days, but somehow, the team is back on track. Could be a good sign.
Never wish for Moyes days.
There were no positives whatsoever with Van Gaal. Rubbish football, rubbish transfers, rubbish "philosophy". We were the very epitomy of a club that didn't know what it was doing.
yeah I agree. I do wonder how things might have unfolded had he gotten Mane in the jan 16 window as he wanted. But there were already internal leaks and the squad clearly hated him - he was probably on the way out regardless
To be honest, he'd have probably turned Mane to shit like he did every other transfer.
Great post, couldn't agree more. Really exciting times ahead with this young team managed by a United legend.
You do realize that the same team struggling under Mourinho was putting in worse performances to get Poch sacked right? Again, this is why I don't take any Poch supporter seriously, the guy hasn't even led a team to a trophy.
Same Poch whose Spurs did not win an away game in the league in 2019? And the same Poch who managed Tottenham to the most losses in the league from January 2019 until his sacking? One hell of a team/squad developer...
You’re selectively picking out the tail end of his Spurs time here, when he was being linked with us and Real. He did all that could be done at Spurs and everyone knew it. Perhaps you can criticise him for losing some motivation at the end but his overall time at Spurs he did wonders for the club and elevated all their players to a new level.
He's barely had a successful transfer since Son in 2015, what's your excuse for that? Why didn't he develop them?
He will be our manager next season and rightly so. Well done Boss.
We had a good track record against the best teams befor Bruno joined, and mostly without Pogba. Now with Pogba back and Bruno, we manage to deal with the ultra defencive teams. With 4 more additions we will be fighting for the title : )
This is the big thing for me, after the three dinosaurs I'm finally enjoying watching us
Bruno, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood... serious talent in the squad.They finished above us in a season where we sacked our manager after he tried to throw out our season.
Hi was underperforming big time. He won nothing. He is more like a Moys type of manager.
Combination of: Posters banned since voting, posters that voted that don't often login, posters that can't be arsed changing their vote and the ones that won't change their opinion no matter what.
How do you know it?
You do realise that modern day managers lasting a decade at top clubs probably won't happen again? There might be one or two anomalies of course but I would even be skeptical of that.
I made that comment partially in jest but if there is to be an anomaly then why not at United? Define modern? Managers have always been ripe for the sack if things don't go well irrespective of eras. I think Ole understands the ethos of the club and if there was ever a candidate to last the distance its him imo. He's defied expectations so far hasn't he? In my opinion, he has done some genius work in an incredibly short space of time. We were a shambles of a team and organisation not so long ago.
In today's modern game and the demands that come with managing a top club, it's very doubtful managers will either stick around or last a decade at any top clubs. With the money in the modern game and the the willingness of sugar daddies to purchase clubs, it makes it very difficult to stay at the very top for a sustained period of time. Klopp and Pep are two of the best around but neither will last a decade at Liverpool or City. Both have spoken about how draining and challenging it is managing top PL clubs.
