That's fair.
Most of the players who have failed under previous managers have improved under Solskjaer, but some of them just aren't good enough to be in a top 4 side, let alone challenging for titles. We absolutely need improvements, not many but we need more dynamism up front. At the moment the static nature of our forward line makes us predictable.
Depends on your definition of failure. The players have achieved more under other managers than Ole, so to me it's not yet correct to say they failed under others but succeeded under him.
No I didn't say that, but since you bring it up I would definitely take Pep or especially Klopp over Sancho.
They've got worse players than us, probably explains the cluelessness. But compared to us, they seem to have a system. Our players seem to just make it up as they go along, relying on their talents instead of them being coached. I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like to me from the outside.
Arguing we shouldnt get abetter manager because this squad can not challenge for the title is like saying we shouldnt bring Sancho either.
So you're saying we shouldn't sign Sancho because buying world class players shouldn't be needed to win a league title?
I'm sorry but how on earth can you say any of this without a "/s" at the end? We've had injury crisis' for all our managers at this point. They didn't get that excuse. Even with injuries we should be able to beat Crystal Palace and Burnley at home. Yes, we almost got a top 4 finish. The new manager bump is often a thing and after Mourinho, of course the players would play better for the new manager. As soon as we were in distance of keeping fourth that season, the team started playing like shit again. That's on the manager.
Whole load of typing I won’t read
Why not listen to what he actually said instead of putting words in his mouth?
I'll save you the job. It was bollocks about players regressing despite playing for shit teams then coming to United and not being amazing from day one. On top of that no mention of how they're asked to play differently at United, as if this is a like for like swap from their current club.Whole load of typing I won’t read
He said we're trying to sign world class players to make Ole look better. Quite frankly I find this notion of not signing world class players to expose the manager like sending male models round to your house every day to prove your wife is cheating on you.
Im saying we should sign better players and we should sign a better manager. Because to win the league title we need good players and a worldclass manager.
Haha that's quite the image.
Not sure if having an obvious defensive system is something you really want United to express. I think our attacking play has clear identity and patterns we are trying to execute, but because we lose almost all challenges and physical battles, we have too little time on the ball to actually accomplish anything.
We won't know what Ole's capable of until we back him and give him 4 to 5 years in the job to prove him can build that team like Klopp and Pochettino did. Klopp has bought a hell of a lot of players in his time at Liverpool.
Sweet Jesus this is the most ridiculous post I've read in a long time. Have a word with yourself seriously. Do you honestly believe Solskjaer has earned the same benefit of the doubt as Flick?
Why? Can you please enlighten us?
One good thing might be that all that churn might end with us having a go too
I'm being facetious of course, but some of our positions are very upgradable and some not so upgradable. If there's a clear upgrade on something we currently have we should absolutely be in the market for it, not be worrying that it's going to make our manager somehow look better.
Why? I think you are not getting the point. Has Solskjaer inherited the squad Flick did? And if Flick's brilliance is beyond doubt, why did they lose?
Ole has earned the same benefit of the doubt as Flick? Has to be a p*** take.
He's earned this season has he not? Flick would get fired if Bayern finished 2nd this season.
I was explaining to another poster that any good team can lose and be outplayed be a lesser rated opponent. It happens with any team.
Such a bad post.
The tragedy is they dont realise this self generated moronic angst only damages their own happiness and health?
It's all too painful for me to read. I find myself getting more and more stupid every time I enter this thread.
I definitely agree with that. I just wonder why for our club it doesn't apply to managers as surely as it does to players.
It’s exactly this.The tragedy is they dont realise this self generated moronic angst only damages their own happiness and health?
You sure?
With Liverpool getting 3 from Leeds, Chelsea barely not losing after getting 3 from WBA and now City getting 3 from Leicester hopefully more people will accept that the fitness and match sharpness issue is a real thing.
4 to 5 years? Youre mental. No manager in the world is given that much time before being demanded results.
I plead the fifth.
Quite possibly, to some degree it does. The thing with management is though, you don't actually do a lot apart from tell people what you want them to do then you trust them to go out and do it. If they let you down you replace them with people who can do what you want.
Patterns of play.No defensive shape, no pressing triggers, no triangles, players not coached in positional play, no pride, no work ethic (did I miss anything?)
pepOUT
ooop. Sorry, wrong thread.
oh yeah,
how did I miss out that out? Damn!One match are you serious?! Nobody is arriving at the conclusion he's not good enough because of one game. FFS we lost points at least once against 8 of the bottom 10 clubs last season. Match after match the players lack focus and energy, so spare me the one game nonsense. A rudimentary understanding of professional team sports will tell you motivation ties in to energy and focus, and that's on the manager fair or not.
