Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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Respectfully, this argument is not as clever as you think it is, nor is it relevant to this discussion. But it's interesting that you're unable to separate ownership from team, a factor you can do exactly 0 about, besides bring everyone elses mood around you down to your own miserable level. Plenty of us don't like the club ownership, I myself have been vocal about this. It's still posible to love the team, the staff and the players.

I'm sorry your ability to feel joy ended June 2005.

The snowflakes you're refering to (me included) mostly point out how negativity only breeds negativity and no solutions. If any of my employees walked around all day complaining I'd strongly suggest they find themselves a new job, you don't want that kind of energy around you.
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Amen to this.
 

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Ole is here to rebuild the team. It was a 3 year contract and looking at the team he took over, three years is a good timeline for him to get rid of deadwood and build a competitive team. If he wins some trophies along the way that's nice but his main job is to rebuild this team and he's doing a decent job.

Top 4 is essential for this because without it, we can lose out on some targets and money and that would set us back. So once top 4 starts looking difficult and given there's also Pochettino available who himself has rebuilt a team like Ole is doing, Ole's job should be under threat
 

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That's a completely different question though to whether he deserves to be sacked now (this thread). Do you hand on chest believe that whoever you want to sack Ole for is the man to win us the next title? Why are you so sure?
No. What I do believe is that it's possible to have a shite board and a manager that can still rise to that challenge. As SAF did and as Klopp is doing now for Liverpool who even the most negative Liverpool fans could see was building something special from the off and had trust in his CV. But giving up searching for that altogether and settling for what Arsenal have been over the past decade and more because we've a shite board isn't the way to to go either. I believe in being ruthless when it's not working and not prolonging the inevitable.
 
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Not having a go at you mate, just feel like you’re one of the reasonable ones I can respond to without being attacked.

I’d say it’s not about believing or not believing Ole will win us our next major trophy because no one, absolutely no one can guarantee that. It’s about enjoying the current manager who is doing a good job (in my humble opinion) and wishing the best for him and despairing at the constant negativity of some posters who never have anything nice to say but would enthusiastically bash the coaching staff after every poor result.

They always have excuses for the opponent when we win and not a word of praise for our team. You tend to think they wish our own team loses because they are have way more zeal when we lose.
I agree and I do enjoy us winning but in the long term don't believe Ole will ever be good enough to achieve what we all ultimately want, which is for United to get back to the top of English football and be competitive again in Europe.

Edit: By the way that second bold part I agree with also, I've a friend just like that and it's never ok.
 
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That's a completely different question though to whether he deserves to be sacked now (this thread). Do you hand on chest believe that whoever you want to sack Ole for is the man to win us the next title? Why are you so sure?
That’s a slightly different question. I don’t know which manager would win us the title but there are some managers that I think might win us the title. With Ole, I don’t believe he could win the title. And that is the basis for any managerial appointment- there are no guarantees (even with a Ferguson or Klopp), but you at least need some hope to hold onto that this man might be the one. Nothing in Ole’s pre-United managerial career or his nearly two years at United gives me that hope.
 

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No. What I do believe is that it's possible to have a shite board and a manager that can still rise to that challenge. As SAF did and as Klopp is doing now for Liverpool who even the most negative Liverpool fans could see was building something special from the off and had trust in his CV. But giving up searching for that altogether and settling for what Arsenal have been over the past decade and more because we've a shite board isn't the way to to go either. I believe in being ruthless when it's not working and not prolonging the inevitable.
We've lost just 4 out of the last 31 games. We're far from the threshold of sacking him to gamble that the next guy will be the new SAF.
 

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We've lost just 4 out of the last 31 games. We're far from the threshold of sacking him to gamble that the next guy will be the new SAF.
In my opinion we need to keep on gambling even if it takes us going through another four managers. I've seen more than enough on the pitch to form that opinion at this point. I may well be totally wrong but I'm not an expert and will never claim to be one and for what it's worth I hope you are right and would obviously be delighted if he's the man to do it.
 

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I still think he needs to go and I do not think he is going to take us forward but I am happy to be proven wrong. I want United to win no matter who the manager is. Even if they appoint Gerrard and if he wins the title and trophies I will be happy.
 

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In my opinion we need to keep on gambling even if it takes us going through another four managers. I've seen more than enough on the pitch to form that opinion at this point. I may well be totally wrong but I'm not an expert and will never claim to be one and for what it's worth I hope you are right and would obviously be delighted if he's the man to do it.
I've not said he is. No one can say for certain either way with any manager.

Gambling and getting it wrong could set us back years. With no decent structure above the manager it leads to stuff like the ridiculous cycle of giving new contracts to deadwood players 'getting a new chance' under the new manager.
 

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Ah good to hear pal. Looking like another full lockdown here from tomorrow, and just as I'm hitting good form again in the gym following the last full lockdown!!

Aye, Ole is a top bloke and him succeeding here would be amazing. Lets hope we put the poor early season form behind us and kick on from here.

I'm liking what he's done with the squad and we finally have some good bench options. Really looking forward to seeing Pellistri; he has that unknown intrigue about him like Hernandez, all those years ago. Onwards and upwards starting with dishing out a spanking to Neymar and co. No Young this time to rough Di Maria up, though!
Amen Robbie! And best of luck with the lockdown
 

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I've not said he is. No one can say for certain either way with any manager.

Gambling and getting it wrong could set us back years. With no decent structure above the manager it leads to stuff like the ridiculous cycle of giving new contracts to deadwood players 'getting a new chance' under the new manager.
But as you say, we don't know? what we do know is staring us in the face every weekend and most of us will and can form an opinion on that now. Ole has been here long enough for that. Liverpool sacked a very good coach in BR and took the gamble on Klopp and look at where they are now.
 
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so how long do we give the next manager?
Good question, and tbh none of us know the answer.

If Ole was replaced by Poch at, say, the end of November, I'd imagine Poch would get the rest of the season and the start of the next even if things didn't improve. Ole has been given the best part of two years, so i imagine the new guy would get something similar.

Nonetheless, it seems a bit silly to avoid getting rid of someone just because there's a chance the next guy in might do worse.
 

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But as you say, we don't know? what we do know is staring us in the face every weekend and most of us will and can form an opinion on that now. Ole has been here long enough for that. Liverpool sacked a very good coach in BR and took the gamble on Klopp and look at where they are now.
For every Klopp success story there are far more examples of it not working for other clubs (including ourselves as we've learnt the hard way for 7 years). It also took 3/4 years of excellent recruitment (not all Klopps work by the way) to actually see success.
 

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For every Klopp success story there are far more examples of it not working for other clubs (including ourselves as we've learnt the hard way for 7 years). It also took 3/4 years of excellent recruitment (not all Klopps work by the way) to actually see success.
Ole has already signed as many players now as it took Klopp to get Liverpool playing a quality brand of football and instill a machine like winning mentality. The only player I can convincingly say he's got right is Bruno and Ole deserves a lot of credit for that. Maguire was pretty much his VVD signing only he cost us around 20 million more. AWB and James also his signings for a combined 55 odd million.
 

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Good question, and tbh none of us know the answer.

If Ole was replaced by Poch at, say, the end of November, I'd imagine Poch would get the rest of the season and the start of the next even if things didn't improve. Ole has been given the best part of two years, so i imagine the new guy would get something similar.

Nonetheless, it seems a bit silly to avoid getting rid of someone just because there's a chance the next guy in might do worse.
that’s why I’m more for the half season assessment of a manager(there’s is no point sacking a manager just a few games in).if a manager is sacked say around Christmas then it gives his replacement a good half season to assess the squad.

well at a proper run club anyway.
 

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So I contributed negative aura by celebrating that my team won a game? that quite some messed up mental gymnastics.

you find my aura negative because you can’t happily support the team when it wins. It’s you who is interpreting that as negative.

you lot have have tied yourselves up in such conflicting knots, you’ve lost all sense of objectivity. It’s quite a crazy phenomenon to observe.
No it's because we've been crap so far and one win against a team that didn't do their homework and you're celebrating like we've won the PL and everything should be forgotten.

We seem to go round in circles with Ole. Good periods or just periods where we scrape wins, followed by bad periods, rinse and repeat. It feels like we've been here 3 times already, including the time we hired him after riding our luck vs PSG. After that we won only 2 games in the PL until the end of the season. Then we had a terrible start the following year and had I think our lowest points total ever in the PL at Christmas. But when the good results come, posters like you want it all to be forgotten.

The problem is good wins at this club are only worth something if they're consistent. We finished in 3rd last season, which is what some people hang their hat on with Ole. But if you look at the bigger picture, only 66 points in a year that the standards were low in the PL. Look back through PL history and 66 point is generally around 6th or 7th, which is where our 66 point in 18/19 got us. So surely you can see why people take these results and good periods with a huge fist full of salt and don't read too much into it.
 

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I can’t even tell if this thread is serious anymore.
 

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This forum would be fine if people here aren't so concerned of proving their opinion to be the right one and everyone else is wrong. Whenever you search very old threads you'll find ton of wrong opinions on players and managers. It happens. You shouldn't care about your opinion being proven right or wrong when it comes to football. It's a very dynamic sport and things change quickly. Just comment on current topics and stop caring that much if you'll be proven wrong in the future.
Or if some people didn’t believe their opinion is the only valid one and any other poster who thinks differently is an idiot. There is a lot of that too and makes some discussions quite vile. You can have a civil debate with opposing views while agreeing to disagree.
 

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Ole has already signed as many players now as it took Klopp to get Liverpool playing a quality brand of football and instill a machine like winning mentality. The only player I can convincingly say he's got right is Bruno and Ole deserves a lot of credit for that. Maguire was pretty much his VVD signing only he cost us around 20 million more. AWB and James also his signings for a combined 55 odd million.
It's pointless focusing on the one success story of Klopp but I'm not sure they had a 'machine like winning mentality' even 3 years into his reign. It coincidently came when they bought better players.
Ideally we'd have a top analytics department like they do recommending players like Salah. We clearly don't though (or at least haven't in the past), which any new manager also has to deal with here.
 

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Or if some people didn’t believe their opinion is the only valid one and any other poster who thinks differently is an idiot. There is a lot of that too and makes some discussions quite vile. You can have a civil debate with opposing views while agreeing to disagree.
Yeah agree. Unfortunately though, I know nothing of this will change, and Caf will remain a very hostile and unfriendly place to talk and discuss things in.
 

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I agree and I do enjoy us winning but in the long term don't believe Ole will ever be good enough to achieve what we all ultimately want, which is for United to get back to the top of English football and be competitive again in Europe.

Edit: By the way that second bold part I agree with also, I've a friend just like that and it's never ok.
Fair enough. You have the right to that belief but then we don’t need to discuss after every poor result that he won’t achieve anything great. Unless we’re flirting with relegation we can let the season play itself out and debate on a match by match basis. Enjoying the wins and looking forward to bounce back after a loss. At least Ole is a nice bloke and a United legend whom I would think deserves our full support until he clearly fails. He hasn’t clearly failed yet, just doesn’t inspire enough confidence that he would do the job.
 

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I actually think we can all have reasonable debates in this thread despite what our views may be long term about Ole. 99% of us understand it doesn't make us any less of a supporter and we just want us to win games.

No one should be out here trying to get points about being right, we aren't taking bets here.

With that in mind I think we can reflect and discuss constructively going forward, if we just ignore one or two obvious wums.
 

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It's pointless focusing on the one success story of Klopp but I'm not sure they had a 'machine like winning mentality' even 3 years into his reign. It coincidently came when they bought better players.
Ideally we'd have a top analytics department like they do recommending players like Salah. We clearly don't though (or at least haven't in the past), which any new manager also has to deal with here.
I agree there are major structural issues at United but the Klopp comparison is disingenuous. He built one of the best sides in Europe at BVB Dortmund, winning two German titles and getting to a Champions League final. Ole’s CV is competing in Norway (League 2 equivalent?) and struggling in both the PL and Championship with Cardiff. Based on past performance, Klopp and pre-United Fergie were entitled to the benefit of the doubt whereas our Molde manager is guilty until proven innocent.
 

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that’s why I’m more for the half season assessment of a manager(there’s is no point sacking a manager just a few games in).if a manager is sacked say around Christmas then it gives his replacement a good half season to assess the squad.

well at a proper run club anyway.
Yeah, agree it's way too early to get rid now, particularly given the great job he did at the end of last year.
 

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Objectively speaking our squad is now younger and has less waste of space type players.

Unfortunately our summer window wasn't anywhere near as explosive as it could or should've been so it still feels like we're a year and two windows off having no deadwood around. If that were to happen it would be Oles biggest achievement so far.
 

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I agree there are major structural issues at United but the Klopp comparison is disingenuous. He built one of the best sides in Europe at BVB Dortmund, winning two German titles and getting to a Champions League final. Ole’s CV is competing in Norway (League 2 equivalent?) and struggling in both the PL and Championship with Cardiff. Based on past performance, Klopp and pre-United Fergie were entitled to the benefit of the doubt whereas our Molde manager is guilty until proven innocent.
I'm not trying to compare the two or say he'll be able to do the same.

Regardless of CVs Ole's current performance is 4 losses in 31 games. What relevance do Cardiff results from 6 years ago have?

Sacking him right now in the hope that the next guy can match be our Klopp under a completely different structure is just a gamble. Particularly if it's just a case of getting the man that's available with no real plan (Poch).
 

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I agree there are major structural issues at United but the Klopp comparison is disingenuous. He built one of the best sides in Europe at BVB Dortmund, winning two German titles and getting to a Champions League final. Ole’s CV is competing in Norway (League 2 equivalent?) and struggling in both the PL and Championship with Cardiff. Based on past performance, Klopp and pre-United Fergie were entitled to the benefit of the doubt whereas our Molde manager is guilty until proven innocent.
Yeah fair post.

The fact is, we're facing one of the most important seasons for years. With the pandemic and the impending recession, the improvement of lots of clubs around us and the dominance of Liverpool and City, it's crucial we don't mess this up. And we've entrusted the job to a guy with no top-level experience outside the two years he's spent with us.

So on one hand the guy has loads of goodwill, and rightly so. But on the other hand it's only natural that fans get jittery after a couple of dodgy results, even more so when there's a guy on the market with far more experience.

It doesn't make you a bad fan to want the club to achieve the most it possibly can.
 

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The games are coming fast now. Big test for us no doubt about it.
I still expect us to be third in the CL group and around 7-8 in the league after this run with two games per week.

If we do better then I am happy with Oles work for this time. It allows us to push for a higher position in the league then.
 

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Objectively speaking our squad is now younger and has less waste of space type players.

Unfortunately our summer window wasn't anywhere near as explosive as it could or should've been so it still feels like we're a year and two windows off having no deadwood around. If that were to happen it would be Oles biggest achievement so far.
Ive changed me mind on this. No one was paying £108m for Sancho so it was always going to be a disappointment. In general it was an okay window. We added depth which was what we needed. We pretty much changed the whole midfield and attack on Saturday and won. We couldn’t do that last season with our bench.
 

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Ive changed me mind on this. No one was paying £108m for Sancho so it was always going to be a disappointment. In general it was an okay window. We added depth which was what we needed. We pretty much changed the whole midfield and attack on Saturday and won. We couldn’t do that last season with our bench.
Yeah, agreed.
 

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Ive changed me mind on this. No one was paying £108m for Sancho so it was always going to be a disappointment. In general it was an okay window. We added depth which was what we needed. We pretty much changed the whole midfield and attack on Saturday and won. We couldn’t do that last season with our bench.
But shouldn't there have been a plan B for an alternative explosive type of player (even if not in the sancho mould) and added reinforcements to our rather flimsy and inconsistent defence? I thought it was a disappointing window in the larger scheme of things relative to how other top 6 teams performed transfer wise. We are also paper-thin in terms of overall squad quality beyond the first team.
 

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But shouldn't there have been a plan B for an alternative explosive type of player (even if not in the sancho mould) and added reinforcements to our rather flimsy and inconsistent defence? I thought it was a disappointing window in the larger scheme of things relative to how other top 6 teams performed transfer wise. We are also paper-thin in terms of overall squad quality beyond the first team.
That’s not true though is it?

We played with Fred, McT and Mata yesterday who didn’t get a look in post lockdown because first teamers were unavailable or being punished.

There is good depth now at GK, fullback, midfields and striker. Just lacking quality cover at CB and on the wings. Hope that is resolved by start of next season. 2 young new wingers may solve the wings and Mengi may solve CB. Else we invest.
 

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No it's because we've been crap so far and one win against a team that didn't do their homework and you're celebrating like we've won the PL and everything should be forgotten.

We seem to go round in circles with Ole. Good periods or just periods where we scrape wins, followed by bad periods, rinse and repeat. It feels like we've been here 3 times already, including the time we hired him after riding our luck vs PSG. After that we won only 2 games in the PL until the end of the season. Then we had a terrible start the following year and had I think our lowest points total ever in the PL at Christmas. But when the good results come, posters like you want it all to be forgotten.

The problem is good wins at this club are only worth something if they're consistent. We finished in 3rd last season, which is what some people hang their hat on with Ole. But if you look at the bigger picture, only 66 points in a year that the standards were low in the PL. Look back through PL history and 66 point is generally around 6th or 7th, which is where our 66 point in 18/19 got us. So surely you can see why people take these results and good periods with a huge fist full of salt and don't read too much into it.
But in that season he was also saddled with the likes of Pogba, Lingard, Pereira, etc. He's inherited a terrible squad compared to what he played in.

I don't think there's anyone who would disagree he looks second-tier at best regarding tactics. We saw that under a more tactically versed manager (Jose) it could get around 15 more points.

But he does know the mind of a true winner. The mentality of sacrifice.

For me personally it remains an extremely tough decision between those two elements: 1. he's lacking vs other more progressive and/or top-tier managers, so there's a built-in ceiling to his ability vs 2. he knows the mentality of a true winner who sacrifices everything (money, partying, status, personal relationships, petty grudges etc) for the win.

#1 is inherently potentially short term. As long as Dumbwad and Drudge are still here, success under a better tactical manager is potentially limited to however long the manager stays; it's inherently unstable. #2 is an intangible thing that exists only in extremely particular top-tier organizations and it's something that money can't really buy and that, in fact, trying to buy with money actually destroys.

We won't easily find another manager who understands #2. Klopp is probably the only other visible one in top-tier football right now.

(Obviously combining 1 and 2 like Klopp is the ideal.)

Bottom line, IMO we need to see what Ole can do with a squad that doesn't have the likes of Pogba in it. If someone told you that we would have to:

A. wait for three more years but
B. we'd still be kind of moaning that Ole's clearly not up to scruff tactics-wise BUT
C. we'd be truly competitive again with the Bayerns/Reals, and be very clearly enamored with the right personalities at the squad

Would you take it?
 

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He has relegation in his CV and the reasoning behind appointing David Moyes was that he saved a sure relegation side and built them up to become one of the top 6 teams. I'm sure that went well. Also yeah these aren't facts, just opinions.
He took over a Cardiff-side that was crap - couldn't save them (which would have been a miracle) - yes that is fact.
 

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Money spent is not equal to money spent well. Still, I agree with you. This squad should not be 33 points from the top.

The militant Ole fans want to have it both ways. If he succeeds, he is a genius. But if he fails, the fault is Woodward's and Glazers' (who are admittedly incompetent). It's a lovely position to adopt; the goal posts can be forever in motion.
And the other side doesn't do it exactly the same way ?
 

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Ole has already signed as many players now as it took Klopp to get Liverpool playing a quality brand of football and instill a machine like winning mentality. The only player I can convincingly say he's got right is Bruno and Ole deserves a lot of credit for that. Maguire was pretty much his VVD signing only he cost us around 20 million more. AWB and James also his signings for a combined 55 odd million.
That's nowhere near true though.. but carry on
 

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Bale on the bench and Spurs attack have already created 3 open play goals. Ole will finish the job with Liverpool and our ex-manager winning premier league and European trophies. Meanwhile lucky penalties, set-pieces or a counter-attack here or there... Oh, we must be grateful for Ole saving us.
How much did Spurs win last night - I stopped looking at 81 minutes ? Did it finish 3-0 or did they add a few more goals at the end ?
 

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How much did Spurs win last night - I stopped looking at 81 minutes ? Did it finish 3-0 or did they add a few more goals at the end ?
Davinson Sanchez scored, so I think it was 4-2.
 

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It's pointless focusing on the one success story of Klopp but I'm not sure they had a 'machine like winning mentality' even 3 years into his reign. It coincidently came when they bought better players.
Ideally we'd have a top analytics department like they do recommending players like Salah. We clearly don't though (or at least haven't in the past), which any new manager also has to deal with here.
This. Using Klopp as a benchmark then pretty much anyone is going to look bad, but even he needed time to get things right. When people talk about him transforming Liverpool, they seem to (conveniently) forget that he did so by selling and buying a lot of players. Not only has their recruitment been exceptional, but they've also managed to get decent fees for their perceived deadwood

For example in 16/17 they sold Benteke, Ibe, Allen and Skrtel for a combined total of 70 million and bought Mane and Wijnaldum for a combined total of 67 million and in 16/17 they basically funded the purchases of VVD and Salah by selling Coutinho. Now Coutinho is obviously not deadwood, but they got a very hefty price for him

Say what you want about FSG, but their track record with the Red Sox and Liverpool show they know how to run a sporting organization and they are heads and shoulders above our own useless owners who only seem concerned with adding a steady stream of revenue to their pockets
 

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:lol: I don’t know why this myth keeps being played out among our fans.We have the third most expensive squad in world football. It isn’t a player issue it is a managerial one. If we had Pep, Guardiola or Pochettino in the same time frame as Ole, with the same backing, we would have challenged/won the league,play much better football and certainly be more competitive in European competition. When you see what teams like leceister , Everton, Spurs and even Leeds are doing with much less you have to understand that a good manager can be doing much better with this team.
You made some good points in there. But I still feel if we lost 3-0 to West ham and 1-0 to Aston Villa you will be calling for the manager's head.