Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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UnofficialDevil

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I'm not anti Scottish, I just wanted Moyes out.
Based on our lineup Ole was expecting Frank to use his new signings and go on the offensive. We set up for the counter. James fits in for that approach due to his speed on the break. Apparently, Frank expected the same from us and also set up for the counter. With only three subs neither manager was really in a position to change their setup once they saw what other was doing.

Not a failure for either manager. Ole and Frank haven’t faced each other enough to get into each other’s head.
It is for Ole. We shouldn't be set up to play Chelsea on the counter at home, were not some mid table club. Unless we've become one now.
 

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Chelsea fans are delighted Ole is still our Manager
Man Utd fans are delighted Lampard is still their Manager

Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton ect, fans are delighted
we both keep our Managers, tells you all you need to know really.

I think both Managers have till the International break to sort it out
and if they don't a race will begin between both for Poch and Allegri.
Don't forget about Pep. He may in trouble too and if so the race for Poch and Allegri will be by three clubs. And knowing United I know what will happen.
 

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It’s pretty strange reading this thread and seeing so many posters insulting each other for holding a differing opinion.

How do you feel when you read back your posts after you do that? It’s just a football match.

I know emotions are running high sometimes especially when we’re not doing too well but maybe you should wait a day to post after a match if you’re going to be a cnut about it. We all want the same thing here and that is United back on top.
 

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Chelsea fans are delighted Ole is still our Manager
Man Utd fans are delighted Lampard is still their Manager

Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton ect, fans are delighted
we both keep our Managers, tells you all you need to know really.

I think both Managers have till the International break to sort it out
and if they don't a race will begin between both for Poch and Allegri.
About 2 minutes ago I called someone post a disaster post........this has took it. :lol:


United men were laughing klopp for years......has no relevance to anything.



Poch ain't at united and allergi be surprised if Chelsea went for him too after the big outlay, but you seem to know.
 

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Season is 38 games long. A draw against Chelsea is nothing to be sniffed at. Move on to the next game.
 

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Chelsea are a very, very good team. And we were better.

And this is coming from an #OleOut guy (about a month ago).

Give Ole some time. At worst, this season we won't finish top four, who gives a shit.
 

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After that load of garbage today i wish i could sack myself from watching football again . Both Lampard and Ole should be ashamed of serving up that cowardly dross . That was just utterly pathetic from them
Absolutely... Was an embarrassment. Disgraceful. Weak. That was a nothing performance. How on Earth is that Manchester United FC.

We seem lost. No consistency. No idea of how we may perform week-to-week.
 

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Neither of the options of the poll really represent where I am on Ole. I didn't think he was a good appointment in the first place because his CV was so unremarkable and deep down I don't think for a second that we will a league or Champions League with him and I think that there are numerous options out there who would do a better job of coaching individuals and the group as whole (several players have gone backwards while others have improved and we still don't have much of an attacking plan beyond counter-attacking or hoping to get a penalty) but at the same time he was given the job and thus far he's done well enough to keep it once he was given it, although the performance levels were all over the place and the points tally wasn't great the reality is that 3rd was the best that the squad was capable of achieving.

I don't know if that's why there's always a lot of comments in here when we don't win, I don't tend to post that much either way, but I do get some of the comments (others are unnecessary) because I just don't believe that there's a process and that if we just give it time the results will be worth it and so it's harder to be patient when you don't really trust that that patience will lead you somewhere (it's why it was easier for Liverpool fans to accept the odd really bad result in the first couple of years under Klopp or for City fans to stick with Guardiola despite issues in his first season). However I also completely understand fans who love Ole because he's a club legend and who can also point to the fact that he was given the job and once you accept that fact, whether you agreed with it or not, then he's not as of yet failed to meet any of the targets that have been set for him as the permanent manager and there have been positives in terms of us being competitive at least in all of the cups, a few young players have been brought through, there have been some really good results in big games and the players clearly like him given that he tends to get a performance when he needs one.

So essentially I don't think he should be fired ASAP but at the same time I don't believe that if we let him finish the rebuild that suddenly we're going to be a great side.
This is it. Ole has been a success in moving the club forward but he ain't going to win you a title. If we already know then there's no point in waiting. The board should go ahead and replace him, why wait ?
City and Pool are vulnerable, neither will run away with a league. There's a could chance a team outside of the top 2 will win the league. The team that's consistent will likely win. And with Ole its up and down. And there's no system so we rely on counter attacking and individual talent to win games, and that leads to inconsistency.
The board has decide what kind of team we are. Are we an elite team like Barca or Madrid or Juve or just a top 4 team. The truly elite teams will get rid of a manager who can't win a title. It's harsh but at the truly elite teams the standards are high.
 

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Today is maybe the closest I've been to joining the 'Out' train....which is strange, because a point at Chelsea is far from a disaster, or even particularly bad. We've had much, much, much worse performances - even just in this season alone.

I've just grown to hate the lack of intent in big games. It's paid off at times - we're a decent counter attacking team - but so often we set up like some high quality, high cost version of a League 2 team who've won the lottery with an Away tie at Anfield or Old Trafford in the 3rd round of an FA Cup. I hate that we still haven't reached the stage where we're confident of imposing our will on teams. Hate that the focus is still on picking players with 'legs' and energy instead of technical ability...it's just becoming tiresome.

The Dan James obsession is now baffling. 90% of this forum know that it's an absolutely pointless exercise starting him against teams who defend deep, never mind a paid manager. which Chelsea were clearly going to do today. He played exactly as expected - woefully, running in straight lines, running into people, misplacing passes, offering no creativty or defensive presence - and I have no idea how Solskjaer expected any different, and that's worrying.

Starting McTominay and Fred together...at least this time I can see why he did it, but it's just - again - tiresome. We've shown over and over and over again that we'll always put energy or 'character' over actual footballing ability. Both in team selections and in the transfer market.

It's just becoming increasingly clear that this is what Solskjaer is. This is the manager he is, the values he has as a coach...and - for me at least - I'm becoming more and more concerned that those values aren't compatible with where I want the club to be aiming.
I agree with your remarks following your opening statement.

I don't like how we set up in big games. I think Chelsea were there for the taking today, and we were meek. We should have went for it.

It was eerily reminiscent of the drab 0-0 draw with Chelsea - Moyes' OT debut vs Jose's Chelsea. They came there for a draw, and we obliged. Same thing now.
 

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Season is 38 games long. A draw against Chelsea is nothing to be sniffed at. Move on to the next game.
How can you be satisfied with how things are going? There is nothing about us, no identity.

That performance was dreadful.

Lacking belief, purpose, power, confidence.
 

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I'm gonna be honest, I'm confused as to what United and Chelsea are playing at this season. Huge chance to step up this season, and they're persisting with Ole and Lampard who to be honest won't ever really be more than top 4 competitors, regardless of players. The squads are there for both. The rest are inconsistent. Liverpool and City with big cracks this season. A manager like Pochettino just waiting... or at the very least, any halfway proven manager that would do more than Lampard and Ole.

Ole has done well enough, but he's a caretaker manager at best who is here until we wait for the right person/moment. Lampard for Chelsea is holding them back more than Ole IMO, as he's clueless tactically and either goes all out attack or defence with no balance. Ole at least can get really good performance in big games, but its just so strange to see 2 of the 4 biggest teams in England persisting with manager who arguably wouldn't get a single other job in the premier league if all were available.
Fully agree.

The title is there for the taking this season.
 

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All I want for Christmas is a manager who banishes James from the squad (let alone starts him in big (or any) games), who rewards stellar performances (Tuanzebe), who wants to include a player as talented as VDB over mediocre ones (Pogba in a United tee, McT), who wants his team to play expansive and not chicken-Mourinho football, who uses his squad and doesn't run players into the ground, who doesn't friggin smile at the end of a cowardly 0-0 at home against the most vulnerable Chelsea team in memory.

Oh, and here's Ole's record against the big teams (one of his supposed strengths) after the restart:
United 0-0 Chelsea
PSG 1-2 United
United 1-6 Spurs
United 1-2 Sevilla (Europa)

Leicester 0 United 2 (if you want to consider Leicester a big game)
United 1-3 Chelsea (FA Cup)
Spurs 1-1 United.

That's two wins and a 8-13 aggregate.

Put this nepotism to an end. I'll take Bielsa's football and not winning the title rather than this sh*t and not winning the title.
 
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It's bad when our home form is the way it is. It's bad when the last game played at Old Trafford we were smashed 6-1. It's bad when we struggle to score at home without a penalty.
With no fans in the stadium the home advantage is not really there, the only club not noticing it would be City, since they have about same amount of fans now as there was before Covid

Also
1. A draw vs Chelsea is not a bad result. Its not good either, and it was a shite game, but sharpening your knives after that just shows you have an agenda
2. We had an incredibly tough fixture list at the start of the PL this year. After 7 games we would already have played Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton.
3. Talking about league position after 5 games is daft. We are 15th yes, but we are also 1 win away from top 4 with a game in hand to most of those sides
 

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Its good that he's trusting the players more and has recognised that they all work for different occasions rather than them being shit which seemed like his thinking last season. I think the players we have can allow a manager to be very flexible with his tactics so it is now less about picking your best 11 and more about picking the right 11. He got it wrong yesterday
 

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Starting James over Greenwood against Chelsea at home should be a sackable offense in itself. And why wait till the 80th minute to bring on Greenwood.

We didn't have to go gung-ho, but a balance can be met. Ole was so scared to lose that he forgot it was there to win.
 

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Starting James over Greenwood against Chelsea at home should be a sackable offense in itself. And why wait till the 80th minute to bring on Greenwood.

We didn't have to go gung-ho, but a balance can be met. Ole was so scared to lose that he forgot it was there to win.
Based on last season its clear that Greenwood is above James in the pecking order. Hes been injured though and/or there have been loads of reports of misconduct, maybe its both even.

This may sound far fetched, but i think James struggles with the pressure and/or a complete lack of confidence and might look much better in training than he does in the matches. When he first got here he started really brightly and everyone though we had unearthed a hidden gem then it went downhill as the season progressed

James is not the most talented footballer, but hes got loads of pace and a very decent pass on him. The problem with him, which is why i think its a mental issue, is that he constantly makes the worst possible decision at every turn. There was at least 3 times yesterday where he had the ball with loads of space and the Chelsea defense backing and he runs straight into two defenders and gets tackled
 

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Based on last season its clear that Greenwood is above James in the pecking order. Hes been injured though and/or there have been loads of reports of misconduct, maybe its both even.

This may sound far fetched, but i think James struggles with the pressure and/or a complete lack of confidence and might look much better in training than he does in the matches. When he first got here he started really brightly and everyone though we had unearthed a hidden gem then it went downhill as the season progressed

James is not the most talented footballer, but hes got loads of pace and a very decent pass on him. The problem with him, which is why i think its a mental issue, is that he constantly makes the worst possible decision at every turn. There was at least 3 times yesterday where he had the ball with loads of space and the Chelsea defense backing and he runs straight into two defenders and gets tackled
Good decision making is a massively important trait to have in any footballer who wants to play for us. James will soon turn 23 and it's not like he is straight out of the academy. The guy has regressed and it might be the pressure but if he cannot deal with it then he needs to go.

I cannot believe we refused to accept Leeds' offer which basically helped us recoup our spend on him. Would have benefitted us and the player too if he is too brittle to play for a big side.
 

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Good decision making is a massively important trait to have in any footballer who wants to play for us. James will soon turn 23 and it's not like he is straight out of the academy. The guy has regressed and it might be the pressure but if he cannot deal with it then he needs to go.

I cannot believe we refused to accept Leeds' offer which basically helped us recoup our spend on him. Would have benefitted us and the player too if he is too brittle to play for a big side.
Think this summer was to early to pull the trigger on him. If he continues as poorly this season as last, then he should be sold, but if he can get his head straightened and play with more composure he will be a useful squad player if nothing else
 

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Back to earth with a bump. Easy decision for me....Is he the best manager available, the answers no imo. Team selection was rubbish yesterday, jose Esq.

Iv been Ole in for most of his tenure, but the big wins here and there papering over his defficiencys is starting to be a theme that will leave us where we are for ages....Fighting for fourth, having a big result now and again and playing boring football most of the time.
 
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End of season yes.

I haven’t seen enough long term qualities for him to Remain as United manager long term. I believe he is tactically inept.
 

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I created this thread a long time ago. I knew it then and I know it now. He needed to improve then but he's wasted his time doing the same things and expecting different results. That's insanity.

The lack of using the squad should ultimately cost him his position. He should know better as an ex Man United player and he should know better after over 2 years in charge.
He has improved. We counter attack much better now. When we face a low block we have more players that can open the defence now, that is due to some of the players he bought or promoted.
The question is whether he and his style will ever be able to get us to top. That is the only question that matters.
 

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No one can be seriously being this emotional and excited?
where’s the so called emotion ? I like Ole, would love us to win a title under him but because I said it’s been a poor start to the season I’m emotional ?

You’re not on football Twitter anymore kid
 

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But how then you can justify this shit. In your era (and mine) we were dominant side. Always. Our setup was to dominate teams and many players said that they would be scared already in tunnel. Today, despite we have pretty good team, opposition comes at OT without any fear and they attack us.
With Lvg and Mourinho, hell even Moyes, in first half we were (nearly) always team who put pressure on other team and that team wait to counter us. With Ole from minute one is "you have the ball and we will counter you".
This is something which is killing me. Not results. Results and trophies will come. Sooner or later. But our approach to game is not United way.
I don't have to justify anything. First of all, it is not shit. Far from it. If we win our game in hand we are 3 points from top. Today, it was a nervous game from both sides where the most important thing was not to lose. Today, we didn't gave Chelsea anything. A team that is full of internationals. We were not playing some League One side. The truth is actually they didn't want anything playing with 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders. It is not easy to break that and still we got chances and with little luck, we would be talking about next game and this thread wouldn't have 10 extra pages. Did Solskjaer make some misstakes? Sure. Looking after game and when you analyse we can see where we could have done better. But, there must be a balance in criticism. People love to hate James. And he isn't world beater and gave very little going forward. But does anyone actually see that we became more open on left side when he went out? That Chelsea started attacking from that area? I don't think so because it is always easier to hate and to accuse someone when things don't go our way.

Football is not a sport where we have absolute monopoly on winning. People are obsessed on calling us this and that, without maybe recognize that there are other teams in league. There are other great players. You got to give credit to them without making us bad. In our era we were dominant but we are lucky to be that. I don't know if you remember people going crazy when we started playing youngsters and selling our "best" players. I know I did have some issue about that. I also know I was young then and didn't know everything. I know I didn't have patience and saw world black or white. It either was great or disaster depending on results. The more years went the more I learned about how world actualy works.

About approach. Last year, Norwich, had approach that was screaming "we are not afraid of Premier League" and played nice, attacking game. They are now in Championship. Apporach you are talking about can't be naive.
 

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I don't have to justify anything. First of all, it is not shit. Far from it. If we win our game in hand we are 3 points from top. Today, it was a nervous game from both sides where the most important thing was not to lose. Today, we didn't gave Chelsea anything. A team that is full of internationals. We were not playing some League One side. The truth is actually they didn't want anything playing with 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders. It is not easy to break that and still we got chances and with little luck, we would be talking about next game and this thread wouldn't have 10 extra pages. Did Solskjaer make some misstakes? Sure. Looking after game and when you analyse we can see where we could have done better. But, there must be a balance in criticism. People love to hate James. And he isn't world beater and gave very little going forward. But does anyone actually see that we became more open on left side when he went out? That Chelsea started attacking from that area? I don't think so because it is always easier to hate and to accuse someone when things don't go our way.

Football is not a sport where we have absolute monopoly on winning. People are obsessed on calling us this and that, without maybe recognize that there are other teams in league. There are other great players. You got to give credit to them without making us bad. In our era we were dominant but we are lucky to be that. I don't know if you remember people going crazy when we started playing youngsters and selling our "best" players. I know I did have some issue about that. I also know I was young then and didn't know everything. I know I didn't have patience and saw world black or white. It either was great or disaster depending on results. The more years went the more I learned about how world actualy works.

About approach. Last year, Norwich, had approach that was screaming "we are not afraid of Premier League" and played nice, attacking game. They are now in Championship. Apporach you are talking about can't be naive.
Arguable the most boring game since that loss at Norwich under LVG but your a tiny like it was some masteclass against Frank Lampard. Thank god it was Lampard he’s the only man that makes Ole’s job look good. I hope when they finally do get rid of Lamps. Ole is available and they go for him.
 
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About 2 minutes ago I called someone post a disaster post........this has took it. :lol:


United men were laughing klopp for years......has no relevance to anything.



Poch ain't at united and allergi be surprised if Chelsea went for him too after the big outlay, but you seem to know.
SAF himself said he was worried when Klopp took over Liverpool, most of us knew he was gonna win them because hes shown his pedigree at BVB. Its the same with Pep at City, most oppo fans want Ole to stay because they know hes not a threat.
 

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SAF himself said he was worried when Klopp took over Liverpool, most of us knew he was gonna win them because hes shown his pedigree at BVB. Its the same with Pep at City, most oppo fans want Ole to stay because they know hes not a threat.
We laughed at Klopp after his first couple of seasons and we laughed at Pep after his first season. Rival fan opinions mean nothing.
 

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I've been Ole out for near a year now and so far I've had no reason to change my decision.
But I don't blame him for the Chelsea game yesterday. Before the win against PSG, I reckon a majority of fans would have snapped your hands off for a draw after how we've started.

A draw wasn't a bad result yesterday, but I was disappointed with the team selection. I'd have rather gone with the same as we did against PSG, but worst case, any formation that doesn't include James.

Also the criticism of not playing VdB is a tough one.
When he's come on, he's looked really good, but both Fred and McTominay had great games yesterday.

As much as I am Ole out, I'd love for him to convince my different as I am sick of switching managers as we have no real plan from manager to manager and we're just back to the beginning.

My frustration isn't with a draw yesterday, it's the first 3 performances of the season, but looking at the league, we're not the only ones
 

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Neither of the options of the poll really represent where I am on Ole. I didn't think he was a good appointment in the first place because his CV was so unremarkable and deep down I don't think for a second that we will a league or Champions League with him and I think that there are numerous options out there who would do a better job of coaching individuals and the group as whole (several players have gone backwards while others have improved and we still don't have much of an attacking plan beyond counter-attacking or hoping to get a penalty) but at the same time he was given the job and thus far he's done well enough to keep it once he was given it, although the performance levels were all over the place and the points tally wasn't great the reality is that 3rd was the best that the squad was capable of achieving.

I don't know if that's why there's always a lot of comments in here when we don't win, I don't tend to post that much either way, but I do get some of the comments (others are unnecessary) because I just don't believe that there's a process and that if we just give it time the results will be worth it and so it's harder to be patient when you don't really trust that that patience will lead you somewhere (it's why it was easier for Liverpool fans to accept the odd really bad result in the first couple of years under Klopp or for City fans to stick with Guardiola despite issues in his first season). However I also completely understand fans who love Ole because he's a club legend and who can also point to the fact that he was given the job and once you accept that fact, whether you agreed with it or not, then he's not as of yet failed to meet any of the targets that have been set for him as the permanent manager and there have been positives in terms of us being competitive at least in all of the cups, a few young players have been brought through, there have been some really good results in big games and the players clearly like him given that he tends to get a performance when he needs one.

So essentially I don't think he should be fired ASAP but at the same time I don't believe that if we let him finish the rebuild that suddenly we're going to be a great side.
Good post, feel similar with a lot of it. I think it’s like dating a member of the opposite sex where deep down you know you’re never gonna marry them and have kids but they’ve not been that bad during the relationship. The problem is the longer you stick at the relationship that you know full well is going nowhere, the longer you’re kept away from something that will work for you.

It’s been mentioned a few times but the clue is with opposition supporters. If they are all happy for Ole to remain in charge you know something isn’t quite right. Under Fergie every single opposition fan could not wait for him to retire, now they celebrate our inconsequential temporary victories because they know it keeps Ole around and long term we achieve nothing.

And this spreads through the squad too. You look at players like Maguire, Fred, McTominay, Shaw and whilst I can’t fault their efforts and know they have done well for us on occasion, these players will never ever ever lead a team to league titles and European Cups and the only way they would is under a truly exceptional coach which again Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will never be.

I think a lot of our fanbase cannot seem to grasp this and that’s why there will always be so much division.
 

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I don't have to justify anything. First of all, it is not shit. Far from it. If we win our game in hand we are 3 points from top. Today, it was a nervous game from both sides where the most important thing was not to lose. Today, we didn't gave Chelsea anything. A team that is full of internationals. We were not playing some League One side. The truth is actually they didn't want anything playing with 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders. It is not easy to break that and still we got chances and with little luck, we would be talking about next game and this thread wouldn't have 10 extra pages. Did Solskjaer make some misstakes? Sure. Looking after game and when you analyse we can see where we could have done better. But, there must be a balance in criticism. People love to hate James. And he isn't world beater and gave very little going forward. But does anyone actually see that we became more open on left side when he went out? That Chelsea started attacking from that area? I don't think so because it is always easier to hate and to accuse someone when things don't go our way.

Football is not a sport where we have absolute monopoly on winning. People are obsessed on calling us this and that, without maybe recognize that there are other teams in league. There are other great players. You got to give credit to them without making us bad. In our era we were dominant but we are lucky to be that. I don't know if you remember people going crazy when we started playing youngsters and selling our "best" players. I know I did have some issue about that. I also know I was young then and didn't know everything. I know I didn't have patience and saw world black or white. It either was great or disaster depending on results. The more years went the more I learned about how world actualy works.

About approach. Last year, Norwich, had approach that was screaming "we are not afraid of Premier League" and played nice, attacking game. They are now in Championship. Apporach you are talking about can't be naive.
People are narrow minded and self-obsessed. I've tried to argue that a game of football is played by two teams and in general, one can only play as much as the other allows them. Same with the league overall. There are 20 clubs with ambitions, different approaches and a mix of luck and misfortune.

With us, it's also a bit of wanting to fail so people can be proven right. Calling for Pogba to start while only a few weeks back asking for him to be benched, is just one simple example.

I'm just glad there are still some reasonable people around here to make it worth the time to read and not get completely lost in the mindless, overly dramatic stupidity.
 

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Chelsea fans are delighted Ole is still our Manager
Man Utd fans are delighted Lampard is still their Manager

Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton ect, fans are delighted
we both keep our Managers, tells you all you need to know really.

I think both Managers have till the International break to sort it out
and if they don't a race will begin between both for Poch and Allegri.
Since when do we care what opposition fans think about our manager? Everyone gave Klopp shit until he won something.

I don’t know why people listen to people who casually watch our team once a month as if their opinion holds any weight.
 
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We laughed at Klopp after his first couple of seasons and we laughed at Pep after his first season. Rival fan opinions mean nothing.
When SAF retired oppo fans were celebrating because they knew we wouldn't be a threat anymore and they were right. Nearly been a decade without a title challenge.
 

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Arguable the most boring game since that loss at Norwich under LVG but your a tiny like it was some masteclass against Frank Lampard. Thank god it was Lampard he’s the only man that makes Ole’s job look good. I hope when they finally do get rid of Lamps. Ole is available and they go for him.
That is a personal thing. There are people saying Vinent van Gogh is just a simple painter, while other appriciate his paintings and would give lots of money for them. There are people loving Tesla while other think it is just a stupid car and nowhere BMW or Fiat. What you think is boring is what someone can see as a strategic game that is fascinating. It is all about how you as a person look at things.

People are narrow minded and self-obsessed. I've tried to argue that a game of football is played by two teams and in general, one can only play as much as the other allows them. Same with the league overall. There are 20 clubs with ambitions, different approaches and a mix of luck and misfortune.

With us, it's also a bit of wanting to fail so people can be proven right. Calling for Pogba to start while only a few weeks back asking for him to be benched, is just one simple example.

I'm just glad there are still some reasonable people around here to make it worth the time to read and not get completely lost in the mindless, overly dramatic stupidity.
I don't mind criticism and nobody is without it. But what I do mind is this spectra of black and white. There is lot of colours in between. I know I have sometimes backed Solskjaer little to much in some discussions but that is just a reaction on this antiSolskjaer agenda that is driven by people who think that the world is simple.

That said, there are lot of posters in here that are very good, in both camps of this Solskjaer thread.
 

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When SAF retired oppo fans were celebrating because they knew we wouldn't be a threat anymore and they were right. Nearly been a decade without a title challenge.
Still to this day, I blame Moyes for that transition. I've seen many bosses do this as well, get a new tean and fire a member of the team in the belief that it somehow cements their position. Yet to see any plus factors to this method of power move.
 

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Of course any manager who beats PSG away is tactically inept
It's not hard to set your team up to counter against a shite PSG side when you have quality players like Bruno, Rashford and Pogba on the pitch. There's little tactics involved in that when you're the underdog. Will you be clamouring to say the same thing if PSG rock up to OT in a months time with a full squad and tear us a new one?
 

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It's not hard to set your team up to counter against a shite PSG side when you have quality players like Bruno, Rashford and Pogba on the pitch. There's little tactics involved in that when you're the underdog.
Jesus.. Why did I log on here today... I never learn.. Enjoy your Sunday!
 

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With no fans in the stadium the home advantage is not really there, the only club not noticing it would be City, since they have about same amount of fans now as there was before Covid

Also
1. A draw vs Chelsea is not a bad result. Its not good either, and it was a shite game, but sharpening your knives after that just shows you have an agenda
2. We had an incredibly tough fixture list at the start of the PL this year. After 7 games we would already have played Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton.
3. Talking about league position after 5 games is daft. We are 15th yes, but we are also 1 win away from top 4 with a game in hand to most of those sides
Agreed

For the record - if we win away at Burnley, which is more than likely - we will be:

3 points behind Liverpool, ahead of Chelsea, worst case scenario 1 point behind City, 2 points behind Arsenal and 1 point behind Tottenham (if they all win their game in hand)

I think we can all agree that the season isn't quite over yet....