Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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Andi Latte

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Question for the posters in here. Feel free to answer once you've cooled down:

1. Did Fergie always take off players on a yellow at half time?
2. Did we not dominate the second half until their scrappy goal? And was Fred not a part of this domination? After all, it was primarily in midfield we dominated them in order to set up the chances(that our attackers consistently fecked up).
3. Was Fred's second yellow card really a yellow card(or even a freekick for that matter)?
4. Can Ole be blamed for terrible finishing?

That's what I thought...
1. No he didn't, no one does and no one thinks it should be done. But he did it sometimes, when the situation demanded it. I think thats called a judgement call, with Ole's judgement in this situation obviously being poor.

2. Yeah, we were the better team but no one can say if we wouldn't also have "dominated" if Matic or Pogba or VdB were there in Fred's place. What I can say is, we would've been 11 players on the pitch and I don't think we would've necessarily conceded 2 more goals. Keep in mind that a draw would have seen us through, maybe just shut up shop with Matic for example.

3. No, but he was pretty much a dead man walking from the incident before, no one was really shocked to see him sent off with a soft yellow. No one except Ole apparently, that is.

4. No, what he can be blamed for is selecting terrible finishers and not subbing them. Over and over again. Martial just isn't in finishing form, everyone knows it. If the plan is to play him into form, do so against West Ham, not in a crucial CL tie. Start Greenwood, VdB, anyone. Play a 2 striker formation. Anything. It's not like Ole is powerless here. It's his fecking job to find solutions, not to hide behind "problems". Also, as far as I know, the rules allow you to make changes before the 71st minute, if you start e.g. Martial and it's obvious he won't score, maybe utilize that.

So yeah, I guess that's what you thought anyway :)
 

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2 years ago psg would play us off the park, now we are the better team when we play them, that is down to Ole.

So if a player gets a yellow card in the first half from now on I hope I see you all saying he should be taken off, if a player gets a red card it’s on the player, not the manager.
We literally knocked them out of this competition two years ago
 

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Also I said it again and again, people jumping on in matchday thread to reply on anyone blaming Ole by saying he's blameless and it's a fecking joke to blame him for the match shows clearly that there're some here whose priority is Ole more than the club, as ridiculous as it sounds. We can't be losing this and the only reaction some can bring is to hit at posters for blaming the manager. It shows some are in it just for the manager.
I don't think it's that necessarily, but they want to be proven right regarding Ole.

I get your point though.

At this point, I don't think some on here want our manager to do anything except for cheerlead on the sidelines.
 

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I missed that game. I watched the game where Man Utd were good against another top side but that side had more shots, more possession and we were lucky that we didn't stayed with 10 players with being one goal down.
And yeah, we lost the game. Now we should be happy because we gave a good fight to mighty PSG?
No we should all pool into the negativity and complaining circlejerk instead of looking at upsides. You take the lead
 

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I guess you missed the game we should have won comfortably not for the wild ineffectiveness of our forwards.

No one is debating the decision to leave Fred on, but this is such a hot garbage take.
You do realise that psg had some excellent chances too and failed to score.
 

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had more shots, more possession
Possession and shots(which was pretty close btw) doesn't mean shit. The quality of the chances is what matters. If you don't think we were the better team until Fred got sent off, then I don't know how to discuss football with you.
 

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2 years ago psg would play us off the park, now we are the better team when we play them, that is down to Ole.

So if a player gets a yellow card in the first half from now on I hope I see you all saying he should be taken off, if a player gets a red card it’s on the player, not the manager.
Fred was fouling for fun in first half before his lucky yellow and you also use your brain and appreciate that we are talking about Fred, not Mct or Matic and also that PSG are cnuts for play acting, inciting fouls and general shit housery. This is 100% the game you don't risk it.

Edit : and by 'your brain' I mean the manager not you personally.
 

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Let’s not forget the decent decisions he made against Southampton.

He needs to learn from tonight though. Can’t leave a player on in that situation, after escaping a red for the butt and also playing a team of shithouses.

Why do we have a manager that constantly needs to learn on the job?
 

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You do realise that psg had some excellent chances too and failed to score.
Yeah I noticed those. They did come after ours, so I'll take that.

Listen, I'm not saying PSG didnt deserve anything. But they were some colossal mistakes from our players away from being knocked out tonight.
 

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not only every person in the world knew he must make changes, his players were begging him to change. But he was playing candy crush on his ipad.:lol:
 

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Fred was fouling for fun in first half before his lucky yellow and you also use your brain and appreciate that we are talking about Fred, not Mct or Matic and also that PSG are cnuts for play acting, inciting fouls and general shit housery. This is 100% the game you don't risk it.

Edit : and by 'your brain' I mean the manager not you personally.
I disagree, I’d rather risk a Fred red than have Matic on.
 

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Sorry but this loss is 100% on ole.
Naive in the extreme to keep Fred on. Yes it wasn’t a 2nd yellow but everyone knows PSG levels of shithousery were bound to get him sent off sooner rather than later.
I find this decision impossible to forgive. Not surprising at all it came from a dodgy first touch and then a reckless lunge.
Also martial should be on the Dame Judy for the next few weeks. Play igalho play greenwood I don’t care. He was dogshit tonight.

EDIT especially when Herrera came on. Did we learn nothing from his time with us ......
 

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2 years ago psg would play us off the park, now we are the better team when we play them, that is down to Ole.

So if a player gets a yellow card in the first half from now on I hope I see you all saying he should be taken off, if a player gets a red card it’s on the player, not the manager.
Its not down to Ole, we have a better squad than 2 years a go. Better manager will give a better result than this.

Anybody in the world knew the refree will not give any more chance to Fred and will sent him off in the first chance.
 

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Shocked to see Fred turn up for second half...
I thought Ole should have taken him off i first half after that stamp.
 

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We had more chances. Fred was an idiot for sure though. Martial was crap. This isnt all on Ole as much as you want it to be.

We were playing some great football before their sucker punch and the red card.
Nobody here (not me, at least) are saying that it is all on Ole. There were some good stuff and bad stuff from him.
But he fecked up with Fred. And could have done subs earlier. Which cost us a game. That is it.
If you happy with manager who is hit and miss every game then fine by me. I am not. Because that kind of manager will not win you anything. You can give him year, two or five and you can give him 100, 200 or 500 mil more but he will not win you anything. Ole will give us battle for top 4 every year. You are good with it?
 

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It's pointless for me now. We can rave and rant and he won't be sacked even if we lose in Liepzig. It's the PL that's the deciding factor. We lose to Moysie and the pressure will start to mount.
 

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The result you’re talking about was due to Ole, but they were still better than us in that tie, not anymore.
Will try and watch the game again later but I don't really know what was so special about the performance that people speak so highly of like we're Stoke playing well against Man city. It was an even game, they had chances, we had chances, no one really got played off the park. Is that what's being celebrated here? That we didn't get played off the park? What kind of standard is that? Especially on a night where we' might have set ourselves up to get knocked out on the final day and back to the Europa league
 

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It's pointless for me now. We can rave and rant and he won't be sacked even if we lose in Liepzig. It's the PL that's the deciding factor. We lose to Moysie and the pressure will start to mount.
Lose to West Ham is bad ...fail to get out of the CL group is seriously bad
 

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we really didn’t finish the game with 11 players. Not sure what makes you think we would’ve with Fred in the last 15/20 minutes?

agree though, should’ve took Fred off earlier. Bad decision, bur shouldn’t cost the man his job (not saying you said that, hit from what I read on this thread).
Could have being the key words.

Expenentionally worse chance once Fred was sent off. And that so the point. He got that completely wrong.
 

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Nobody here (not me, at least) are saying that it is all on Ole. There were some good stuff and bad stuff from him.
But he fecked up with Fred. And could have done subs earlier. Which cost us a game. That is it.
If you happy with manager who is hit and miss every game then fine by me. I am not. Because that kind of manager will not win you anything. You can give him year, two or five and you can give him 100, 200 or 500 mil more but he will not win you anything. Ole will give us battle for top 4 every year. You are good with it?
We are 5pts off top of PL with game in hand and joint top of the very tough CL group.

You don't know what you want. You will want Poch or whoever sacked the first time we lose 3 or 4 games.
 

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Will try and watch the game again later but I don't really know what was so special about the performance that people speak so highly of like we're Stoke playing well against Man city. It was an even game, they had chances, we had chances, no one really got played off the park. Is that what's being celebrated here? That we didn't get played off the park? What kind of standard is that? Especially on a night where we' might have set ourselves up to get knocked out on the final day and back to the Europa league
What are you on about
 

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Bad call with Fred, but he was also part of the reason we were playing better than PSG. Matic or Vdb wouldnt have had the same impact on the game. Calculated risk that didnt work out, that happens.

We were at a minimum on level with PSG, probably the better team, just lack of precision and unlucky with that and on their second goal. Good performance.

I remember alot of complaining when we used to nick wins like that .
 

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Of course it's easy to say that in hindsight. Everyone knows that I am Ole out but he can't compensate for the stupidity of Fred. I really don't think it would make any difference if he took off Fred.
Yes going all out defense and counter attack is an option he could have used.
But just to point out why I think he left Fred was in the first half they counter attack us. AWB was just jogging back and Fred who was not even in the frame sprinted back to cover.
The other point is should we have ever let them counter attack?
I wouldn't have played three forwards at all. I would have played only two up front. This is not in hindsight but I have said this pre match.
 

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With Axel or Shaw fit he would for sure play 3-5-2 and we wouldnt be so liable defensivly.
 

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We are 5pts off top of PL with game in hand and joint top of the very tough CL group.

You don't know what you want. You will want Poch or whoever sacked the first time we lose 3 or 4 games.
I'm pretty sure the majority know what they want. League titles and big trophies.

On the contrary, I feel some of you guys are the ones who don't know what they want. What is your expectations of this season ? It seems like any outcome will be fine for some of you anyway. Win league title ? Fantastic. Challenge ? Great. Just finish top 4 ? Well done. Fail to finish top 4 ? Ehh not a problem focus on the rebuild. Get through CL group ? Great business. Get out of CL group ? Ehh it was a hard group and we'll win EL.

So I guess you should first set your expectations for the season then see if the manager will meet it or not. My expectations coming in this season were second or close third with +80 points, QF in CL and win a domestic cup. If he achieves these, fine I won't have a problem with him staying for one more season.

But some of you guys will be just happy to anything he delivers anyway.
 

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I'm pretty sure the majority know what they want. League titles and big trophies.

On the contrary, I feel some of you guys are the ones who don't know what they want. What is your expectations of this season ? It seems like any outcome will be fine for some of you anyway. Win league title ? Fantastic. Challenge ? Great. Just finish top 4 ? Well done. Fail to finish top 4 ? Ehh not a problem focus on the rebuild. Get through CL group ? Great business. Get out of CL group ? Ehh it was a hard group and we'll win EL.

So I guess you should first set your expectations for the season then see if the manager will meet it or not. My expectations coming in this season were second or close third with +80 points, QF in CL and win a domestic cup. If he achieves these, fine I won't have a problem with him staying for one more season.

But some of you guys will be just happy to anything he delivers anyway.
Who is going to be the man to win these big trophies then?
 

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Of course it's easy to say that in hindsight. Everyone knows that I am Ole out but he can't compensate for the stupidity of Fred. I really don't think it would make any difference if he took off Fred.
Yes going all out defense and counter attack is an option he could have used.
But just to point out why I think he left Fred was in the first half they counter attack us. AWB was just jogging back and Fred who was not even in the frame sprinted back to cover.
The other point is should we have ever let them counter attack?
I wouldn't have played three forwards at all. I would have played only two up front. This is not in hindsight but I have said this pre match.
Hindsight wasn't needed, I posted during half time hope Ole reads the game and takes Fred off. Don't think we lost the game with 11 men on the pitch. Like many of us fans say time and time again he just doesn't read the game to the standard that's needed in the Premier League. His managements skills are that of the championship.
 

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Lose to West Ham is bad ...fail to get out of the CL group is seriously bad
I don't think we are getting out of the group stages. I think it's back to the EL for us.
Yes it's down to Ole and I still think his mistake was to play three up front from the start. 4 in midfield and counter attack
Yes it was stupid to leave Fred on. I was shocked but do understand why he took the gamble. He lost the gamble.
The bigger mistake was to play with three man midfield. We tried to attack them. He lost his gamble. It was stupid also to attack them. They have players we don't have. So to negate that we have to be clever. We were not clever.
 

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Who is going to be the man to win these big trophies then?
Anyone. If the next manager fails to deliver them 2 or 3 years in charge everyone will want him gone. Story in any big club really.

But anyway I'm still asking what's the general expectations from this season ? What did you want going into this season ?
 

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Bruno was actually awful. VDB Could have come . The whole game changed when Tuchel changed the formation to 352. He did nothing to counter it (agree things changed immediately after the goal though)

There was no need to go for that killer goal. Keep trying and if we dont get it, we will try next week. Now the head to head advantage is in favor of PSG and a win is not good enough to win the group.
Bruno is a player who can play awful but win you a game, so you can forgive me if I'm not hounding Ole for making a supposedly "obvious" move in taking Bruno off (assuming you think it's an obvious move here).


I don't even think we were trying to go for a killer goal as such, we were just exploiting gaps that PSG left from their defensive negligence. We weren't gung-ho attacking and we weren't playing on a counter either.
 

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Anyone. If the next manager fails to deliver them 2 or 3 years in charge everyone will want him gone. Story in any big club really.

But anyway I'm still asking what's the general expectations from this season ? What did you want going into this season ?
Top 4 a must, get to knock out stages of CL and win a trophy, after losing three semi-finals last year. That’s my bare minimum. I have no faith we will get it either and that’s why I’m Ole out and always will be.
 

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We literally knocked them out of this competition two years ago
They still played us off the park over 180 minutes, though. The 180 minutes of this season we looked like we took the game to them, and I like that. I can identify with that as how Manchester United is meant to play in Europe.
 

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I don't think we are getting out of the group stages. I think it's back to the EL for us.
Yes it's down to Ole and I still think his mistake was to play three up front from the start. 4 in midfield and counter attack
Yes it was stupid to leave Fred on. I was shocked but do understand why he took the gamble. He lost the gamble.
The bigger mistake was to play with three man midfield. We tried to attack them. He lost his gamble. It was stupid also to attack them. They have players we don't have. So to negate that we have to be clever. We were not clever.
Agreed
 

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Fecking hell, all of you would take our current situation when we got our group .

stop beeing so reactionary
 
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