Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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Silver lining eh?
Yeah, but I much rather win the CL. Feels the PL sides are all looking strong in Europe so we should have a chance.
It feels like Bayern have been worse than last year. Maybe due to no pre season and also they miss Thiago and now Kimmich is injured.

Although Kimmich should be back for round of 16 so I still hold them as clear favorites to win it.
 

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Watch Oles post match interview on Fred, and crawl back into your holes.. Fotball has never been an exact science, and never will be. But at least we have honour and honesty! And a spine.

If Paris want to be pants and fall over every time someone says their name, all on them. Wonder why they never win anything outside France.
 

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Hypothetically: if we finish top 4 but the distance up the title winners is just 10 points(+/ 2 points give or take), do you still think we should sack Ole? You don't think he can challenge for titles with a better squad?
Really depends on how CL goes.
 

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Every manager in the post Fergie era have been fired after failing to get CL football in a full season or during a total collapse(Mourinho's third season).

Ole deserves to be judged based on the same demands up until the moment we have a squad that looks just as good as Liverpool or City's teams in the least 2-3 years. At that point we can demand a title challenge(or even a title).
 
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Its ridiculous that we've given a newbie manager 2 years to learn his trade. Constantly making crap mistakes, figuring other aspects of managing along the way. I just can't see how we get better from here. That ridiculous display in Turkey - remember the corner? And the Fred decision today are a hallmark of just how shit our management is.
 

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With Mourinho, Pep and Klopp being out of the picture, are there better options out there than Ole? Maybe. I don't know. None of us do.
Are the standards that low we can't think of 1 manager better than Ole? You could literally take your pick and there's a good chance he's a better manager. Sticking with him for the sake of sticking because we can't get Klopp or pep is exactly what I'd expect to see from a club run by Woodward
 

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Its ridiculous that we've given a newbie manager 2 years to learn his trade. Constantly making crap mistakes, figuring other aspects of managing along the way. I just can't see how we get better from here. That ridiculous display in Turkey - remember the corner? And the Fred decision today are a hallmark of just how shit our management is.
Bunch of hypocrites! We played good football and should have won. Seems goalposts keep moving, and pants can’t take a defeat. So many of you, and you included have been saying exactly this. “If we could see what he is trying to do” Well, you just saw it. We went for it, against a better team, off falling soft pants. Hypocrites and pants.

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I’m out of posts “Grande”. But, exactly! I haven’t seen a goal like theirs since I played ping pong. And we still went for it!
 
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Yes of course, but we've only played 9 games and are 5 points off the top teams (with game in hand though)...
I appreciate that, but if after 10 games we
Its ridiculous that we've given a newbie manager 2 years to learn his trade. Constantly making crap mistakes, figuring other aspects of managing along the way. I just can't see how we get better from here. That ridiculous display in Turkey - remember the corner? And the Fred decision today are a hallmark of just how shit our management is.
What’s ridiculous is that this newbie manager has done as well as if not better than some of the biggest names in football (while learning his trade at that as you put it) pretty impressive stuff when you put it that way.

What’s also ridiculous are posts like yours.
 

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Every manager in the post Fergie era have been fired after failing to get CL football in a full season or during a total collapse(Mourinho's third season).

Ole deserves to be judged based on the same demands up until the moment we have a squad that looks just as good as Liverpool or City's teams in the least 2-3 years. At that point we can demand a title challenge(or even a title).
He has hardly afforded himself that leeway with his managerial CV. What Ole needs to accomplish more than anything is proving he's not one dimensional in his approach, can affect games proactively, and get a team to perform consistently. Tall order with so much to be desired.
 

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Made a howler not taking Fred off but wouldn't blame Tony missing a sitter on him though
 
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What a heap of strange ‘game analysis’ in this thread...

So we play the CL finalists, and for seventy minutes they create maybe two good chances and score two goals because of lucky deflections. We score one goal due to a lucky deflection, and have a heap of good attacks, Martial, Cavani, Rashford and Bruno had six or seven chances to score between them. Solskjær managed to get us play better than Tuchel had the CL finalists play. Two deflections does not change that, in fact it has nothing to do with ‘game managment’ or ‘coaching’.

When Solskjær had us beat them two years ago, it was lucky as hell and a brilliant steal, because they were the better team then by miles. Now we are unlucky with the bounce, the finishes, the refereeing and the offside line, and have outsmarted them tactically for two games. This is probably the most ridiculous game to complain about the manager after yet. He actually proves how far we have come.

But for all you who think the deflection that landed at Neymars feet after five minutes, the corner rebound that pingponged to a one millimetre onside Marquinhos, or the ability to counter a goal with Neymar and 11 vs 10 in the dying moments of the game when we throw everyone up top in a last ditch is some sort of a managerial knockout by Tuchel, I guess I’m wasting my digital ink.
 

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You would have sacked Fergie after 2 years
The world is very different than it was 30 years ago, including football. Using your logic, most of the UK would still care about the royal family, as they did 30 years ago or corporations would still be mass producing new plastic rather than finding solutions to the problem. The pace, the money, equipment, routines, situation are all considerably different in football when Fergie took over. What he did, i doubt will ever be repeated again, thats why he is above legendary status for me. Also, United were a mid table team back then and Fergie had natural leadership qualities that have given him worldwide recognition. Please don't compare apples with pears.
 

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He is not doing that bad to be fair but ofcourse today is not the day Ole outers will listen so I am not going to bother to write a huge essay.
I guess I should pass on my gratitude for not having to read more Ole loving. Thank you!
 

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What a heap of strange ‘game analysis’ in this thread...

So we play the CL finalists, and for seventy minutes they create maybe two good chances and score two goals because of lucky deflections. We score one goal due to a lucky deflection, and have a heap of good attacks, Martial, Cavani, Rashford and Bruno had six or seven chances to score between them. Solskjær managed to get us play better than Tuchel had the CL finalists play. Two deflections does not change that, in fact it has nothing to do with ‘game managment’ or ‘coaching’.

When Solskjær had us beat them two years ago, it was lucky as hell and a brilliant steal, because they were the better team then by miles. Now we are unlucky with the bounce, the finishes, the refereeing and the offside line, and have outsmarted them tactically for two games. This is probably the most ridiculous game to complain about the manager after yet. He actually proves how far we have come.

But for all you who think the deflection that landed at Neymars feet after five minutes, the corner rebound that pingponged to a one millimetre onside Marquinhos, or the ability to counter a goal with Neymar and 11 vs 10 in the dying moments of the game when we throw everyone up top in a last ditch is some sort of a managerial knockout by Tuchel, I guess I’m wasting my digital ink.
I disagree with your match opinion, Ole made several silly errors in this game. He should of closed shop after 60 mins, few subs to add energy and replaced the erratic Fred, who was playing well, but lost his head, uncharacteristically.

I do however agree with the point you eluded to, Tuchel is nothing to fear, but let's also iron out the point that PSG have degressed in the last 2 years despite a final appearance in August. They are a team with two world class forwards, a couple of very good, but aging players, Marquinos and a bunch of average overrated players. They were schooled in the final.

I would also agree that Ole has improved us over the last 24 months, but let's also throw out there, that every manager has his or her ceiling. Ole cleared out most of the trash, brought in a few good players, upskilled a couple of others in some areas but also has not forced consistency from this lot. Consistency is absolutely fundamental to being successful. He also loves a square peg in a round hole.

I am a pure Ole outter and I have been for about a year and it's not because we are not winning titles. It is because he has taken us as far as we can possibly go under him, he just does not have the ability to take us to the next level. If he did, what we see on the pitch, week in and week out would reflect that. I am not so stubborn to dismiss a very good point you made around how we played in 2020 versus 2019 against PSG, but one thing is for sure, in 25 months under him, we have no consistency, we are fragmented, game management most of the time is confusing and we don't really have an identity or brand of football. All we do is focus so much on how everyone else may or may not play against us, we have really forgotten to be Man United. What Ole says in a press conference is one thing, what we see is another. And yes, I have just been to specsavers so my eyesight is crystal.
 

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Ole needs to be fired yesterday not cuz of loss against Paris but simply cuz like it or not he is a PE teacher for this level. Doubt any PL team would want him.
Its almost as if a certain manager is right about our 'football heritage' if we continue to stick with a PE teacher instead of a real manager. Its a joke.
 

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I disagree with your match opinion, Ole made several silly errors in this game. He should of closed shop after 60 mins, few subs to add energy and replaced the erratic Fred, who was playing well, but lost his head, uncharacteristically.

I do however agree with the point you eluded to, Tuchel is nothing to fear, but let's also iron out the point that PSG have degressed in the last 2 years despite a final appearance in August. They are a team with two world class forwards, a couple of very good, but aging players, Marquinos and a bunch of average overrated players. They were schooled in the final.

I would also agree that Ole has improved us over the last 24 months, but let's also throw out there, that every manager has his or her ceiling. Ole cleared out most of the trash, brought in a few good players, upskilled a couple of others in some areas but also has not forced consistency from this lot. Consistency is absolutely fundamental to being successful. He also loves a square peg in a round hole.

I am a pure Ole outter and I have been for about a year and it's not because we are not winning titles. It is because he has taken us as far as we can possibly go under him, he just does not have the ability to take us to the next level. If he did, what we see on the pitch, week in and week out would reflect that. I am not so stubborn to dismiss a very good point you made around how we played in 2020 versus 2019 against PSG, but one thing is for sure, in 25 months under him, we have no consistency, we are fragmented, game management most of the time is confusing and we don't really have an identity or brand of football. All we do is focus so much on how everyone else may or may not play against us, we have really forgotten to be Man United. What Ole says in a press conference is one thing, what we see is another. And yes, I have just been to specsavers so my eyesight is crystal.
You would have had a point if PSG where countering us to death. Quite the opposite, until Fred saw red, we had control of the counters, and it was rather we who came within margins of killing the match several times. ‘Closing the game’ Would rather have invited more of the corners and pinballery that they actually did score from, so his strategy looked more sound than yours in this instance.

You grossly underestimate both Thomas Tuchel and PSG. I’m curious as to how many teams you think played better than them in the CL last season, where they lost by one goal (shots 10-12/2-3) against the team that won the treble, beat Barca 8-2 and were acclimed one of the best winners in years.

Ole may have his ceiling, but as long as results continue to improve, and play continue to improve, we don’t know where that ceiling is. And this was certainly not the match to prove that point with, quite thecontrary.
 

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With Mourinho, Pep and Klopp being out of the picture, are there better options out there than Ole? Maybe. I don't know. None of us do.

What I do know is that this team is not good enough to achieve long term success. Not with this attack. Not with only one top class player in the entire squad. Relative to his players, Ole is doing just fine as far as I'm concerned. I also like to watch our football when we click. And I like that our manager isn't a total mess when dealing with the media.

PL and CL trophies are ultimately the most important part, but to get there we need the right foundations. I know that we don't have the players for this. I don't know if the coach is a problem. Therefore I choose to focus on the former of the two. At least until our results are worse than what our squad reflects.
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Can the mods please tag this user with such a brilliant statement . You really think Ole is the fourth best manager in world football? :lol: I have seen some horrible post and a whole lot of delusional post, but this one has to be up there.
 

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Bunch of hypocrites! We played good football and should have won. Seems goalposts keep moving, and pants can’t take a defeat. So many of you, and you included have been saying exactly this. “If we could see what he is trying to do” Well, you just saw it. We went for it, against a better team, off falling soft pants. Hypocrites and pants.

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I’m out of posts “Grande”. But, exactly! I haven’t seen a goal like theirs since I played ping pong. And we still went for it!
Problem is you don't have to play a good football today.Park the bus, keep it tight and get the job done, 1 point is enough to get you through and Ole doesn't understand that, he is a FIFA manager who played for entertainment not for results.
 

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Can the mods please tag this user with such a brilliant statement . You really think Ole is the fourth best manager in world football? :lol: I have seen some horrible post and a whole lot of delusional post, but this one has to be up there.
Top of my head `I can say Biesla, Naggleman, Rose and even Hasenhüttl is better as a coach than Ole. Of course then you have Jose too. I personally do not want Poch at United. I think he is more hype that he is .
 

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I’m still Ole in but less enthusiastic about it than I was previously. One thing that worries me is that he’s not getting the consistency from the team. He’s done very well with the rebuild so far but I wonder if he can go into the the next phase and actually challenge for trophies.
 

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Can the mods please tag this user with such a brilliant statement . You really think Ole is the fourth best manager in world football? :lol: I have seen some horrible post and a whole lot of delusional post, but this one has to be up there.
Been noticing his posts from time to time. Could clearly see that he’s trying his best to be objective in every post but every once in a while , his blatant bias for Ole just tends to pop up. How anyone can even consider Ole to be anywhere near fourth best is incredible.
 

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Are we blaming Solskjær for Martial missing two open goals and horrendous refereeing mistakes today, is that it?

(Nah, he probably should've taken Fred off before the referee's brainfart, I agree. But we can't blame the manager for the players not winning this game.)
 

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Watch Oles post match interview on Fred, and crawl back into your holes.. Fotball has never been an exact science, and never will be. But at least we have honour and honesty! And a spine.

If Paris want to be pants and fall over every time someone says their name, all on them. Wonder why they never win anything outside France.
What have we won recently? How many Champions League finals have we got to? I hate Paris but we are throwing stones from glass houses recently.

Truth be told we haven't won enough European Cups for a club our size so we historically mess it up too more often than not.
 

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What a heap of strange ‘game analysis’ in this thread...

So we play the CL finalists, and for seventy minutes they create maybe two good chances and score two goals because of lucky deflections. We score one goal due to a lucky deflection, and have a heap of good attacks, Martial, Cavani, Rashford and Bruno had six or seven chances to score between them. Solskjær managed to get us play better than Tuchel had the CL finalists play. Two deflections does not change that, in fact it has nothing to do with ‘game managment’ or ‘coaching’.

When Solskjær had us beat them two years ago, it was lucky as hell and a brilliant steal, because they were the better team then by miles. Now we are unlucky with the bounce, the finishes, the refereeing and the offside line, and have outsmarted them tactically for two games. This is probably the most ridiculous game to complain about the manager after yet. He actually proves how far we have come.

But for all you who think the deflection that landed at Neymars feet after five minutes, the corner rebound that pingponged to a one millimetre onside Marquinhos, or the ability to counter a goal with Neymar and 11 vs 10 in the dying moments of the game when we throw everyone up top in a last ditch is some sort of a managerial knockout by Tuchel, I guess I’m wasting my digital ink.
Very first sentence is a complete spin as they're nowhere near as good as they were in the knockout stages last season. After our slew of missed chances, the side completely lost its shape and the match became very stretched. It is rudimentary in game management to understand we need our shape back and a sub as the match was becoming chaotic and they were looking consistently dangerous for the first time. He did absolutely nothing until we conceded a goal and a player was sent off. This is professional football at the highest level you can't lose all shape and discipline around the hour mark because you've missed some chances. This is where strong leadership comes into play, and leadership failed big time here.
 

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What have we won recently? How many Champions League finals have we got to? I hate Paris but we are throwing stones from glass houses recently.

Truth be told we haven't won enough European Cups for a club our size so we historically mess it up too more often than not.
That and why is their "lack of honor" supposed to be some kind of vindication for a manager who lost control of the match?
 

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Bad luck!

You easily had enough chances and played well enough to draw if not win that. I think it's very easy with hindsight and quite harsh to say everyone knew Fred should have come off at half time, I'm sure if he had and you'd lost then Ole would have taken a hammering for that as well. Cavani and Martial both came very close and on another night you'd be walking away with the right result. I thought you looked the better team for a lot of the game especially the second half upto the sending off and even after that you played some quick attacking football. To be fair Fred should have been given a straight red in the first half and certainly should not have got a yellow for that tackle in the second, but that's football.

If I were to criticise Ole, I think the only fair thing to get him on was not trying to contain the game a bit earlier, instead I think you had the mindset to keep pushing for that second goal, once you conceded and went down to 10 men at pretty much the same time, that chance was lost and he had to gamble hence Pogba, VdB, Greenwood and Ighalo. Maybe Matic could have come on for Fred at the hour mark to manage the game a bit better, but again hindsight makes decisions like this very easy!
 

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Ole is inept because he did not pull fred off is a stupid argument. If fred had not been sent off does that mean ole is the best manager in the world for sticking with him? It is really easy to talk in hindsight especially when the player in question is vital to what we do in midfield. I can understand why fred stayed on. Cant put this on ole for me. We played well and unlucky to lose. Draw would have been fair.
 

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Ole is inept because he did not pull fred off is a stupid argument. If fred had not been sent off does that mean ole is the best manager in the world for sticking with him? It is really easy to talk in hindsight especially when the player in question is vital to what we do in midfield. I can understand why fred stayed on. Cant put this on ole for me. We played well and unlucky to lose. Draw would have been fair.
Wouldn't matter so much if we hadn't put in such a gutless performance against the weakest team in the group
 

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Wouldn't matter so much if we hadn't put in such a gutless performance against the weakest team in the group
That might come to bite us in our backisde but tbf that match looked like an anomaly. We've been quite good in rest of the Cl matches.
 

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Ole's Manchester United has lost only 3 league games since February. This is the second least in Europe. Only Bayern Munich have lost less.

NO NEED TO SACK HIM :cool:
 

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Ole is inept because he did not pull fred off is a stupid argument. If fred had not been sent off does that mean ole is the best manager in the world for sticking with him? It is really easy to talk in hindsight especially when the player in question is vital to what we do in midfield. I can understand why fred stayed on. Cant put this on ole for me. We played well and unlucky to lose. Draw would have been fair.
It was a gamble from him and it backfired, so of course he should be criticized for it. He also should be criticized for leaving Martial on the pitch while being in terrible form.

Just suddenly remembering in the last minute he has another striker in Ighalo to try just shows Ole was absolutely out of his depth in this game in terms of management. He really didn't know what he was doing.
 

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I think judging OGS on CL performances is very harsh. The man couldn't win the second grade European comp which a third grade manager like Mourinho won. We are in the comp which is good. Let's leave it at that.
 

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I disagree with your match opinion, Ole made several silly errors in this game. He should of closed shop after 60 mins, few subs to add energy and replaced the erratic Fred, who was playing well, but lost his head, uncharacteristically.

I do however agree with the point you eluded to, Tuchel is nothing to fear, but let's also iron out the point that PSG have degressed in the last 2 years despite a final appearance in August. They are a team with two world class forwards, a couple of very good, but aging players, Marquinos and a bunch of average overrated players. They were schooled in the final.

I would also agree that Ole has improved us over the last 24 months, but let's also throw out there, that every manager has his or her ceiling. Ole cleared out most of the trash, brought in a few good players, upskilled a couple of others in some areas but also has not forced consistency from this lot. Consistency is absolutely fundamental to being successful. He also loves a square peg in a round hole.

I am a pure Ole outter and I have been for about a year and it's not because we are not winning titles. It is because he has taken us as far as we can possibly go under him, he just does not have the ability to take us to the next level. If he did, what we see on the pitch, week in and week out would reflect that. I am not so stubborn to dismiss a very good point you made around how we played in 2020 versus 2019 against PSG, but one thing is for sure, in 25 months under him, we have no consistency, we are fragmented, game management most of the time is confusing and we don't really have an identity or brand of football. All we do is focus so much on how everyone else may or may not play against us, we have really forgotten to be Man United. What Ole says in a press conference is one thing, what we see is another. And yes, I have just been to specsavers so my eyesight is crystal.
You’re mostly spot on with your analysis but some of those you’re debating with are not interested in any criticism against their favorite manager or what’s best for Manchester United F.C.

Do I think a competent manager can do more with this group of players. Yes. 100%!

At this level against the very best the difference between being a good or being a great manager is the ability to avoid too many silly mistakes and be active instead of being reactive. Yesterday was a good example of what you get with having a inactive leader who don’t have the vision to see what’s going on and is to slow to react to things that is in his control.

I don’t dismiss all the good things Ole is doing. He move the club forward but he often don’t know where to go and that’s why he has these setbacks whenever United have a chance to take the final step.

He will probably end this season as our manager but if the club have any serious ambition to compete with the very best clubs we need to move on and hire someone with a more distinct winning mentality who have the competence to be more pro active whenever it’s necessary.
 

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He's not going anywhere anytime soon, the board loves him and he has got some big results for us in recent years. We have to accept we are not the club of years gone by that only accepted elite level performances. Nowadays we are happy to get the odd big result and keep ticking along.
 

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Hope the journos run stories that Ole is to be sacked if we don't progress from the Group Stage of CL. This should help us get a win at Leipzig.
 

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In my opinion the writing is quite clear on the wall. Ole is a half decent manager, he's slowly improving, his heart is in the right place, he understands the club BUT he's not good enough. We can either try to make it work by surrounding him with experience (DOF, coaches etc) or else we have to let him and the army of inexperienced boy scouts he surrounded himself with go.
 

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You can blame Ole for a lot of things, but not on players confidence. And how are him wasting talent by developing it? Rashford, Greenwood and even Martial had their best season last season. They are still young and learning.
Isn't martial 25? Rashford hasn't really kicked on and with the amount of injuries he plays through because of ole constantly selecting him, I can see his career being very short.
 
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