Would you take Ralf Rangnick as manager?

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Would be my first choice.
 

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If I were Newcastle's owners I would go all out to hire this guy as the DOF. He has the experience of using money well.
If you've noticed, he doesn't get hired by big clubs but joins small clubs who have big financial backing and helps them achieve a certain level before he moves on. At Hoffenheim he had the financial backing of Dietmar Hopp, and at the Red Bull clubs, he had even bigger backing and has taken them to a certain level before he's jumped ship again. Newcastle with Saudi ownership is exactly the type of project that he's known for and something that also suits Newcastle right now.
 

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Seems like someone to take us in the right direction, but probably more on the administrative level. Maybe if he can come in as an interim with someone he helps pick to come in next summer.

Either way, seems he would require a level of control that the owners won't be happy to give.
 

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We've not really got the players to be a pressing team... hopefully he'd make an exception for Ronaldo at his age. Trying something new would be better than hitting ourselves over the head with the same old stick at least.
 

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We've not really got the players to be a pressing team... hopefully he'd make an exception for Ronaldo at his age. Trying something new would be better than hitting ourselves over the head with the same old stick at least.
Apart from Ronaldo, every player is capable of pressing (maybe except Pogba too). The team that presses now weren't pressing team before they hired manager who implemented that style.
 

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Apart from Ronaldo, every player is capable of pressing (maybe except Pogba too). The team that presses now weren't pressing team before they hired manager who implemented that style.
Exactly. People go on about 'pressing like it's difficult for a individual player. All it is, is closing down space. But the difficult bit is getting the collective to close down space in a coordinated manner, which is the job of the coach to apply on the training ground.
 

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Apart from Ronaldo, every player is capable of pressing (maybe except Pogba too). The team that presses now weren't pressing team before they hired manager who implemented that style.
You can make some players pressing players but not all of them. Greenwood and Mata for example are quite game but just a bit shit at actually closing off angles and winning the ball. You'd hope they'd improve if the coaches place good focus on it but they are never going to be good at it. Rashford might have something to work with, Cavani is obviously very good at it and Lingard pretty decent too. But I really don't want Lingard starting over e.g. Ronaldo.

I suppose this decision depends to some extent whether you believe this season could be salvaged by a top manager. Personally I do as i think we've got some top players, but if you don't then by all means treat it as an education (if you're not going to alienate your best players).
 

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Exactly. People go on about 'pressing like it's difficult for a individual player. All it is, is closing down space. But the difficult bit is getting the collective to close down space in a coordinated manner, which is the job of the coach to apply on the training ground.
Yeah, when a player in possession is pressed, the options and the lanes should be closed too, which we don't. So it all ends up as wasted effort. You don't even have to run all day, it's about picking the right options, closing the free player and the passing lanes.
 

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You can make some players pressing players but not all of them. Greenwood and Mata for example are quite game but just a bit shit at actually closing off angles and winning the ball. You'd hope they'd improve if the coaches place good focus on it but they are never going to be good at it. Rashford might have something to work with, Cavani is obviously very good at it and Lingard pretty decent too. But I really don't want Lingard starting over e.g. Ronaldo.

I suppose this decision depends to some extent whether you believe this season could be salvaged by a top manager. Personally I do as i think we've got some top players, but if you don't then by all means treat it as an education (if you're not going to alienate your best players).
B.Silva who is built like Mata with bit more pace is a pressing machine. When your coach demands it and implements the style, players will follow that especially when everyone knows what their role is.

It's about team work and how everyone works together, not just by concentrating on the player with possession but also the options that player has.

Forget all that, check Liverpool in 2015-16. They were half hearted team. Once Klopp took over, everyone started to work their socks off. Same with Chelsea, they looked passive side under Jose and very aggressive under Conte. It's all about coach's vision and how good he can implement that.

Mata at his age won't be able to press but players like Greenwood, Rashford shouldn't have any excuse (if we hire a coach who wants his team to press).
 

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B.Silva who is built like Mata with bit more pace is a pressing machine. When your coach demands it and implements the style, players will follow that especially when everyone knows what their role is.

It's about team work and how everyone works together, not just by concentrating on the player with possession but also the options that player has.

Forget all that, check Liverpool in 2015-16. They were half hearted team. Once Klopp took over, everyone started to work their socks off. Same with Chelsea, they looked passive side under Jose and very aggressive under Conte. It's all about coach's vision and how good he can implement that.

Mata at his age won't be able to press but players like Greenwood, Rashford shouldn't have any excuse (if we hire a coach who wants his team to press).
Silva is tenacious, fit, young, and strong in the tackle. All the things Mata is not. Size is not the issue, the ability and know-how / will to do it is the issue. Same as Greenwood, he's not lacking in the strength or stamina to go and win the ball, he's just hopelessly bad at it.
 

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No, he wants too much power and our current DoF has done and is doing a fine job in the areas where he actually has influence (youth recruitment, youth scouting and youth development).

We don't need a new DoF, we need a new manager and a stronger coaching staff. The days of all powerful managers is gone. Pep and Klopp both work closely with their DoF, and in many cases function more like a head coach than a traditional manager. That is how modern clubs are run these days - and it works.Txiki Begiristain and Michael Edwards are key reasons why City and Liverpool are doing so well in all areas. If City were to change managers none of us think that they would fail to be successful - that is down to their structure.

We need a proper head coach who can handle the media pressure and a professional coaching staff on top of their game, and a modern manager/head coach to lead them; Marco Rose, Erik Ten Hag, Mauricio Pochettino, Graham Potter, someone like that.

Not one of our succesful rivals are working with an all powerful manager at the helm. So why do we think we'll challenge a team of professsional specialists with a single managerial genius? We need to be serious when deciding what to do next, and giving up on a modern structure in favour of an old fashioned model that has proven to fail time and time again over 8 years now, is not the way forward.
 

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Silva is tenacious, fit, young, and strong in the tackle. All the things Mata is not. Size is not the issue, the ability and know-how / will to do it is the issue. Same as Greenwood, he's not lacking in the strength or stamina to go and win the ball, he's just hopelessly bad at it.
It looks like no one ever coached that into Greenwood. He is still young, he should be able to learn it. If not, than Ole ruined him as a player.
 

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Silva is tenacious, fit, young, and strong in the tackle. All the things Mata is not. Size is not the issue, the ability and know-how / will to do it is the issue. Same as Greenwood, he's not lacking in the strength or stamina to go and win the ball, he's just hopelessly bad at it.
All professional players are fit and cover good distance. Pressing is not individual thing, you need team to do that. We won't or can't because Ole doesn't know how to set up the team to do that.
 

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Independent were saying that the problem with Rangnick is that it would deter Poch from joining, because he wouldn't be interested in working under that structure.
Excellent news. Get him in right now then.
 

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All professional players are fit and cover good distance. Pressing is not individual thing, you need team to do that. We won't or can't because Ole doesn't know how to set up the team to do that.
Watch Greenwood's defensive positioning and attempts at tackling. If I'm being kind it's "a forward's attempt", if I'm not, it looks like an U11s player just chasing after the ball.
 

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Watch Greenwood's defensive positioning and attempts at tackling. If I'm being kind it's "a forward's attempt", if I'm not, it looks like an U11s player just chasing after the ball.
I agree he looks poor but do you think they can't be improved? Surely defensive positioning can be improved with coach who has the ability?

Right now it's "we have to press well" that's it. It's disjointed and players looked like they don't have a clue on what to do, both with and without ball. Then you see City players, when one player presses, others all move to block the passing options. Surely this can be coached, especially for young players?
 

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No, he wants too much power and our current DoF has done and is doing a fine job in the areas where he actually has influence (youth recruitment, youth scouting and youth development).

We don't need a new DoF, we need a new manager and a stronger coaching staff. The days of all powerful managers is gone. Pep and Klopp both work closely with their DoF, and in many cases function more like a head coach than a traditional manager. That is how modern clubs are run these days - and it works.Txiki Begiristain and Michael Edwards are key reasons why City and Liverpool are doing so well in all areas. If City were to change managers none of us think that they would fail to be successful - that is down to their structure.

We need a proper head coach who can handle the media pressure and a professional coaching staff on top of their game, and a modern manager/head coach to lead them; Marco Rose, Erik Ten Hag, Mauricio Pochettino, Graham Potter, someone like that.

Not one of our succesful rivals are working with an all powerful manager at the helm. So why do we think we'll challenge a team of professsional specialists with a single managerial genius? We need to be serious when deciding what to do next, and giving up on a modern structure in favour of an old fashioned model that has proven to fail time and time again over 8 years now, is not the way forward.
Good post and I completely agree. This is now the time for a head coach, rather than a manager. And it's years over due.
 

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IMO Rangnick is the best qualified candidate to succeed Ole, precisely because he's been both a coach and sporting director.

To a large extent, Sir Alex Ferguson was his own sporting director. He did not just coach the first team, he ran all elements of the football club. He was involved in recruitment from top to bottom, including helping to sign kids for the academy and watching their growth trajectory.

In many ways the club is still set up for that kind of manager, rather than a first team coach. Yes, we have Murtough now. However, nobody really believes he has proper power. Its still, fundamentally, Woodward at the helm with this grey area between himself and Solskjaer.

Rangnick is one of the few people I think could be a 'manager', in the traditional sense, of Man Utd. A lot of people would come in as first team coaches and be shocked at the structure of the club, the way its run and the expectations on them.
 

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No, he wants too much power and our current DoF has done and is doing a fine job in the areas where he actually has influence (youth recruitment, youth scouting and youth development).

We don't need a new DoF, we need a new manager and a stronger coaching staff. The days of all powerful managers is gone. Pep and Klopp both work closely with their DoF, and in many cases function more like a head coach than a traditional manager. That is how modern clubs are run these days - and it works.Txiki Begiristain and Michael Edwards are key reasons why City and Liverpool are doing so well in all areas. If City were to change managers none of us think that they would fail to be successful - that is down to their structure.

We need a proper head coach who can handle the media pressure and a professional coaching staff on top of their game, and a modern manager/head coach to lead them; Marco Rose, Erik Ten Hag, Mauricio Pochettino, Graham Potter, someone like that.

Not one of our succesful rivals are working with an all powerful manager at the helm. So why do we think we'll challenge a team of professsional specialists with a single managerial genius? We need to be serious when deciding what to do next, and giving up on a modern structure in favour of an old fashioned model that has proven to fail time and time again over 8 years now, is not the way forward.
What exactly has the dof done? What is the point of signing these so called wonder kids if we can't actually develop them. In 3 years outside of Greenwood which youth have been given a chance? who are these youth that are developing without even getting a chance.

Our signings are great on an individual level but its clear the coach has no how to play them. What exactly is the dof doing given it has been said we are signing players by committee and its not just ole.
 

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What exactly has the dof done? What is the point of signing these so called wonder kids if we can't actually develop them. In 3 years outside of Greenwood which youth have been given a chance? who are these youth that are developing without even getting a chance.

Our signings are great on an individual level but its clear the coach has no how to play them. What exactly is the dof doing given it has been said we are signing players by committee and its not just ole.
The manager predates the DoF, who only took up his current role in March. The manager not playing those youngsters is not the fault of the DoF but rather the fault of the manager, who the DoF had no hand in appointing, because he was in a unrelated role at the time, which was to help youngsters at the club bridge the gap between the youth and first team. I will judge the DoF when he brings his own man in to coach the team.
 

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I saw an exerpt of Ragnicks plan to fix Manchester United.

It consisted of "Make the right purchases and make sure that 50% of them work out"

What is he going to do immediately with the actual players we have today?
 

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If you've noticed, he doesn't get hired by big clubs but joins small clubs who have big financial backing and helps them achieve a certain level before he moves on. At Hoffenheim he had the financial backing of Dietmar Hopp, and at the Red Bull clubs, he had even bigger backing and has taken them to a certain level before he's jumped ship again. Newcastle with Saudi ownership is exactly the type of project that he's known for and something that also suits Newcastle right now.
Well we’re currently behaving like a small club across all levels, I guess he would be perfect for us then.
 

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Both Tchouameni and Kessie would go a long way to fixing our problem in midfield.
Then we need to fix our backline, but a top manager and coach could do this.
 

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I saw an exerpt of Ragnicks plan to fix Manchester United.

It consisted of "Make the right purchases and make sure that 50% of them work out"

What is he going to do immediately with the actual players we have today?
Coach them to play better than Ole can. That would be good start.
 

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Great TED talk
What can he do immediately if he becomes manager? I know it's a shocking concept for Ole fans but yeah fans expect managers/first team coaches to actually coach the team and make them play as a unit.
 

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Both Tchouameni and Kessie would go a long way to fixing our problem in midfield.
Then we need to fix our backline, but a top manager and coach could do this.
We can potentially sign Andre Onana on a free, along with Boubacar Kamara on a free, which would upgrade us at playing out from the back. Then you have Ethan Laird who could be a option at RB. And without spending a lot we'll have potentially improved our deep build up play.
 

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What can he do immediately if he becomes manager? I know it's a shocking concept for Ole fans but yeah fans expect managers/first team coaches to actually coach the team and make them play as a unit.
Ok I apologize for wanting a discussion about the person in question, my bad for thinking this was a place for an actual conversation.
 

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Ok I apologize for wanting a discussion about the person in question, my bad for thinking this was a place for an actual conversation.
Ok, let me ask you this. What do you expect any manager who takes over a team in mid November to do, in order to improve the team?

I thought obvious answer is coach the team better than the previous coach.
 

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The guy has barely managed 100 games in the last 10 years, does anyone even know what his man management skills are like?

Also doesn’t seem like it’s worth hiring a manager with that kind of system for the short term, it takes ages for it to be learnt, see Pep and Klopp’s first seasons.

Lastly, there’s quotes of him turning down the Chelsea job because it was a caretaker role and he said he didn’t want a short term job.
He simply cannot be worse than Ole at this point. How people can even turn their nose up at a short term appointment like this is madness.
 
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