I like Ten Haag a lot but it should also be considered that he's developing players at Ajax, that's their business model based on the best football school on the planet.
Even if you don't get ten Hag, there's still other good options you can target potentially like Adi Hutter, Christian Streich, Graham Potter, Ralf Hassenhuttl etc.My post was slightly tongue in cheek. Now that I've resigned myself that Arteta isn't working, this guy is probably at the top of my wishlist for replacements, certainly wouldn't want him to replace Ole from an Arsenal perspective.
Im half way through reading the thread, & thinking that even the negatives people are talking about (a slight lack of personality, could he deal with the pressure at a mammoth club, could he handle top personalities & would the ego players respond to him), wouldn't be as much of an issue at Arsenal.
Im dreaming mind you, as our board probably won't sack Arteta.
Zidane has never ripped apart his Madrid's team. I think one of his best attribute is to make do with whatever he has on plate. He introduced Casemiro (was a reserve player before) to balance so Modric and Kroos could work together. He made Ronaldo and Bale could work. And he make do with squad players like Asensio, Vazquez, Nacho, etc. I still prefer Ten Hag, but Zidane is next in line, for me.
United's biggest problem is a lack of pashun. We have plenty of superstars with incredible technique. They just don't run hard enough.
He fits the so called United DNA perfectly, but they are too thick to see it. Entertaining winning football, brings youth through and they are taught great technical football. What isn't there to like. However it would take more rebuilding as not sure some of the players would fit his style, think some are too lazy. What would be good is we would know exactly what he is trying to build and what style of play he wants. In a way am now doubting if he would come here, too many egos. He wants players who want to work hard for the team, we have too many individuals at the moment. It would take some weeding out of the ones who are not willing to change.
Cue Ten Hag staying there for ten years and winning them a few CLs. (which would be brilliant)
You seem like a kid who plays FIFA (unless he loses and throws the controller) ... but what's that got to do with anything?
It doesn't, you where basically bigging up Rodgers giving up that points total to Ole and then on last day a total collapse, and spinning it as a achievement coming 5th.
I wouldn't say easily. Guys like Pasveer, Blind, Martinez, Timber, Mazraoui are so much better building out from the back and beating the press than De Gea, AWB, Varane, Maguire, Shaw. That's honestly where the biggest problems would lie for ETH.
Why do you say he has the club's interest above his own?
Spot on. I think we’re past the PE teacher stage. It’s a childish narrative
Jose, when he was literally trying to get sacked in the season that got him sacked was doing better than Ole is this season. That's terrifying tbh.
It does, i think you just pick and argue for no reason.
Yeah, I suppose that's the advantage when the bar is so low in terms of current position & current manager, there's many that should be an improvement.
I think bringing in Overmars would definitely help because they're reported to be good friends. Overmars has also employed him during his stints as DoF at other clubs in years gone by.Yeah, I suppose that's the advantage when the bar is so low in terms of current position & current manager, there's many that should be an improvement.
Just think Ten Haag sounds ideal for us, ticking the same boxes that have been mentioned in this thread for Utd, but perhaps without the hang ups, as we're not at the same level of pressure & expectation as you guys currently are. We're at a low point, but with a young squad looking for an identity & style of play, whereas Utd have an older squad with a lot more egos looking to just take that next step into serious challengers to get the best out of the likes of Varane, Pogba & Ronaldo in the next year or 2. That's why Zidane might be the better choice if he was available, if you are just talking about making the most of this group of players.
We'd struggle to attract Ten Haag given he's already knocked back Spurs, but perhaps bringing his friend and an ally in Overmars to replace Edu, could just make it a project that might interest him?
The club could do worse than to have some sort of 'fans educating the board' (of course packaged more palatably for the
He's not remotely rigid like LvG & is far more direct in his approach.
Maybe Ole should buy Ajax's team. It seems to me we just don't have the quality players to play well and once Ole buys Ajax's players, we can challenge for the title.
Just makes too much sense. We were an Ajax type team under much of Wenger's reign, in terms of the football we played, the reliance on young players, the market we shopped in, we just never found a way to properly evolve it in the modern era.
Ten Hag is developing players at a club which hadn't competed in Europes premier competition for over two decades until he arrived. And he's done that whilst developing youngsters and it's been a strength which has enabled them (Ajax) to punch above their weight and hence save them a lot of money. They can't compete financially against the wealthiest clubs hence have to let go of their players for a certain price. But let's not assume that what we're seeing under ten Hag has been the norm for Ajax in the last few decades in Europe. It's not normal for Ajax to develop youth and also compete with the best in the Champions League until ten Hag arrived.
I completely understand where you're coming from. I think he'd be a exciting acquisition for you or us.
feck the DNA. Klopp didn't have Liverpool DNA as well. It's not about that. The problem is, the kind of football Ajax plays, is not the football our current players are able to play. And I am not sure you can coach them into it, any time soon. You would have to sell most of them and buy new ones. Which we have neither money nor time for
Sorry, i didn't mean to come across argumentive, I just seen your comment and replied to it
WTF is this. We are not paying chess, we are playing football. The problem is what players are expected to do, and are capable to do, not their theoretical shape. In Ten Hag's approach, Ajax plays high-pressing game with quick transitions between attacking and defending roles, where most players are from their academy and have been drilled FOR YEARS on their positions and expectations. It's their second nature and muscle memory to know where each one of them should be and what they should be doing in any situation.
You can go on & on but you're talking bollocks so you'd probably be better off not going on & on.
This is very wrong actually. Every single successful team in the world plays pretty much the same attacking, fluid football with high pressing. There are of course obvious differences in whether someone attacks with five or six players etc but general principles are pretty much the same. Even Conte prefers pressing hard, which our team can't do.
You think so?
Top post!
That’s very good to know.
I don't know about that pressure. At Ajax, the expectation is that they win the league, play great football, and play youth. Every match and every season. Fail on any of that and the fans will start grumbling. (See De Boer: winning ugly is not appreciated at Ajax.) Ajax acknowledge their place in the international pecking order so they accept that they have to sell players, but it's not what they want. And as someone else pointed out, they changed their business model a few years ago so they could increase wages and hold on to players longer. So they're not just having fun, it's intensely competitive.
