Oh feck me here we go again. When will people learn that no-one is a doorstop option or long-term option.
You seriously believe we could embrace the Bayern approach under the Glazers
?I'm just going by FACHTS.
But there are. It has to be based on success though
Conte is the very definition of a doorstop option.
Quick someone start a “Brendan is shit” thread.
Ten Hag presents more upsides to me. Conte hasn’t lasted more than 3 years at any club and has fallen out at most of them. As good a manager as is there’s no guarantee he’ll be able to topple Klopp and Guardiola in the league to make it worthwhile, and he’s unlikely to take kindly to the way the club is run.
I think moving to a broke Barca would be a horrendous move for his career.
Why will Ten Hag stay if successful? What's that based on? How do we know he wouldn't jump ship to Barca in 3 years time once their finances are sorted?
The Bayern approach isn't difficult because you have a footballing department which is separate from the board. Salihamidzic runs the football side and the board gets involved when it comes to players incoming /outgoing.it's a very simple approach, but the most important piece of the puzzle is the Head Coach. And we saw a few years ago when Kovac was fired and his assistant (Flick) replaced him, many Bayern fans wanted Salihamidzic fired too, but Flick in the same season won the league and Champions League.You seriously believe we could embrace the Bayern approach under the Glazers
Add a Rodgers vs Ten Hag poll. This is deadly serious. If the Glazerlings indeed are monitoring fan sentiment, a-la the below post, we’d be as stupid as they’ve been - actually even more stupid - to pass up the opportunity out of ignorance or even spite. If they’re asking for and welcoming input, give it to them.
We don't know, do we. He turned down Spurs.(not a great feat), plus listening to his press conferences you get a clear idea that this man is about building a project not for the short term.
There is one in the "Next Manager" thread. Ten Hag is dominating every option there, including Conte and Zidane. Rodgers is a non entity.
Ok the Bayern approach isn't difficult, especially with the Glazers and Richard Arnold as our CEO
It was difficult pre 2018, because we didn't have a structure to match a club like Bayern. We have added a extra almost 100 people since, who work in the recruitment department. And the guys at the top like Bout, Murtough, de Regt, Court and Lawlor etc head the football department. Bayern's setup is simple and isn't difficult to replicate at the recruitment level.Ok the Bayern approach isn't difficult, especially with the Glazers and Richard Arnold as our CEO
Ok, but that's not fair, even to Mourinho. Mourinho left Inter for Madrid, understandable. Even at the time Inter couldn't hope to compete with the Spanish giants or English football. And from what I remember the owner achieved what he set out to achieve and wasn't gonna spend anymore.
You forgot the most important part mate.
Bang on the money.
Our biggest problem post Fergie was not having the foresight to have structural and data support for the Head Coach which has now come to pass. Liverpool have Peter Moore as CEO since 2017 ,who worked for Microsoft previously and it didn't stop them winning the league and Champions League under a business first approach from the board.
That's a lie. Ajax scored 102 goals in 34 matches or an average 3 goals per game. Where as Inter did 89 in 38 or 2.34 goals per game. A big difference my friend.
More impressive than Conte has ever achieved in Europe, and with a much inferior squad as well might I add. His performance against Dortmund is far better than anything Conte put out in Europe.
Then I'd say we should follow Liverpool's approach and find our Klopp. But we really need to cut off the Disneyland shite first.
The reason Klopp took the Liverpool job was because of their structure which was data driven according to journos who follow the club. Klopp was very impressed and embraced Michael Edwards and his team. And the late Gerard Houllier is credited with getting the ball rolling as far as putting in place mechanisms which would later help Michael Edwards modernise the club. And this same Michael Edwards was a laughing stock before Klopp arrived.
Yeah and I'm very wary of these "long term" managers now. We already have a superb team, with 1-2 gaps, which any top manager can play around. Tuchel did not need 2-3 years to make the Chelsea team into winners. If Ten Hag comes, we need to target immediate success, because the team is good enough for that.
I think I saw some stats that he had the highest win percentage of Bayern II since 2000. I can’t think of the source, but it’s not in direct contradiction.with what you say, if he won the fourth league but lost a knock-out qualifier, he might still have higher win percentage than acoach who wins promotion.
Good luck trying to play a pressing game with Ronaldo up top.
Hardly unknown.
I back him to actually win the title within next 2 years at worst against them . When it comes to league I only put Guardiola as definite upgrade on him he is in the same bracket as Klopp and Tuchel . Anyway we need to get away from this mindset that Guardiola and Klopp are simply unbeatable forces and there aren't managers who could compete against them.
Agreed but that’s what all fans are like. We wanted Ole as it was generally believed the players would not have more power than they did under Mou. I personally thought right no more hiding, no chance of “throwing ole under the bus” just because you don’t wanna give your all. But ultimately the manager always is to blame. Fans have now turned on him, perhaps rightly. Doesn’t matter if they have genuine concerns over his tactics (assume our players thought the same about the previous 3 managers as well) or because the manager can’t motivate…no real difference in terms of outcome . Ole for example was regarded although not with a great CV, as a watcher of the game (literally for most of his career), intelligent amongst his contemporaries for sure, and even muted as a director of football material mainly because of the latter even just months ago. I knew he might not be a master tactician, but could he learn the modern tactics used, like when to press and when to not, much of which I can’t grasp listening to pep and klopp rambling about it’s intricacies in the odd interview…I’d wager Ole is up to that. On the field it’s a mess though and he’s had ample time to learn it. He should have brought in a top coach to teach the team and him how. He could still but won’t as Neville pointed out. It’s just not a move they would do. We’ll move on, Ten Hag or whomever but it’s as much as a stab in the dark as Ole was.
Ten Hag can also switch to a man marking ploy high up the pitch to force the oppo to hit it long behind our CBs in the space which Varane can dominate. He can also press high with Bruno shepherding the CB towards the oppo wide receiver (say LB) who would then be swarmed by our RWF, RCM, RB in a 3 pronged Wolf pack like attack, whilst the two CBs and the rest of the players would close off the space to prevent a easy out. It all comes down to coordination.
What ?! Conte might be comparable to Tuchel (maybe), but Klopp is levels above him. I wouldn’t back us to win anything but a domestic cup with Conte. He would be totally outclassed by the current level of competition in the PL and his CL record is appalling.
No he isn't atleast when it comes to league he is more than capable of going toe to toe with them and coming up trump. Both Klopp and Guardiola are great managers but they aren't unbeatable in the league but somehow our fanbase has convinced themselves that they are may be it makes it easier to digest the fact when we don't compete with them .
Sounds like every successful team in the modern era.
How can he win anything else? He's managing Ajax. They did brilliantly in the CL, they were cruising through the EL last year when they had to play their 3rd GK, an academy lad that had multiple massive, massive stinkers (and would still have went to the semi had Tadic buried his penalty). They demolished Lille (the ligue 1 champions) in the previous fixtures. Dortmund and Sporting just now.
There is a huge doubt whether he can make us competitive again, let alone in less time. His only experience is with Ajax, under a well run club, in the dutch league. I'm skeptical. Zero experience with big clubs and big players.
Again, good luck with "man marking ploy" with Ronaldo up top. Interesting that you say that Varane can dominate long balls behind CBs, while if they play it to Maguire's side, we will be caught with our pants down.
It wouldn't be a issue with Ronaldo and i've explained two potential scenarios.
