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2813 there - I'd have hoped for more against Liverpool, but with the weather in Greater Manchester today, I'm just glad there were that many
WSL 19/20 | United women v Liverpool | Saturday 28th Sept - 12 noon
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
2813 there - I'd have hoped for more against Liverpool, but with the weather in Greater Manchester today, I'm just glad there were that many
Great win Ladies, it's always good to beat Liverpool at any level, at any sport.
Thought Leah Galton on the left was immense, certainly in the 2nd half.
And happy 18th birthday to Lauren James tomorrow.
Thought Leah Galton on the left was immense, certainly in the 2nd half.
And happy 18th birthday to Lauren James tomorrow.
Unfortunately marred by hillsborough chants being referred to the Police. Embarrassing and disgusting, hope they catch the scumbags who participated
Is "Always the victims..." considered a Hillsborough chant? As far as I'm aware it can reference a lot of things and I've never thought of it as something that's exclusively mocking Hillsborough, especially when you hear it at OT all the time.
I believe the expression became prevalent after Boris Johnson accused the people of Liverpool as wallowing in 'Victim Status' referring to the events of Hillsborough.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...d-an-entire-city-shy-and-his-boss-543923.html
Yes it is, and the people doing it know that fully well
Thanks for clarifying. For what it's worth, I was at the match and didn't hear those chants. I assume it must have come form the Barmy Army if anyone, but they've been equally critical about it on Twitter so I have no idea where the chants came from.
Yep.
Really sad for it to obscure what otherwise was a great day for the team.
I didn't catch the game but I saw the goal the kid scored to give us the lead and that was pretty impressive for someone her age.
I didn't hear it. I was sat in West stand. There were a few choruses of you'll never get a job, but the rest of it seemed to be the standard chants about our players.
That said, not every song carries across the whole West stand. And I didn't hear any chants from South stand at all though I know there were some, because are one point the barmy army (in West stand) sang, "we'd forgotten that you're here" presumably in reply to a Liverpool chant. Maybe something happened with a group of fans somewhere, it's certainly not impossible - but it wasn't audible across the rest of the ground.
That said, not every song carries across the whole West stand. And I didn't hear any chants from South stand at all though I know there were some, because are one point the barmy army (in West stand) sang, "we'd forgotten that you're here" presumably in reply to a Liverpool chant. Maybe something happened with a group of fans somewhere, it's certainly not impossible - but it wasn't audible across the rest of the ground.
I thought this is a regular OT chant when we play Liverpool. Has it been banned now?
You heard them?
Don't you think it should ?
I'm not really in a position to say. The words themselves make no specific reference and I was unaware of what deeper history may lie behind them. I didn't know it was specifically linked to Hillsborough. Mine is an honest question, cos it sounded strange reading that a song I regularly hear at OT is suddenly being reported for being offensive.
That's not true.
The chant only came about in the immediate aftermath of the Suarez-Evra incident. It doesn't refer to Hilsborough (and wouldn't even make sense if it did).
The chant has been around long before Suarez Evra. It does refer to Hilsborough and you must be very young and know nothing about what happened if you don't get the disgusting insinuation of it. It is now used for everything else, but originated about Hilsborough. They sing about Munich and other clubs taunt each other about past tragedies, no place for it, disrespectful and must be awful for family and friends affected when they experience it. It's childish at best, more so insensitive low life cowardly behaviour. Plenty of songs to not have to sink to such levels.
Pity that this is even making headlines when it should of been a great moment for our ladies and all about them and the football.
Many years ago, the now PM wrote an article referencing hillsborough saying Liverpool have a victim mentality or words to that effect. I believe the song came about from that, this was a long time prior to Suarez-Evra
Here’s a thought, given the significant weight the word carries, maybe it should just not be used. That way we can move on from the glib debate that ensues when it is used.
I wasn’t there so no. But don’t need to have been there. Liverpool’s women’s team reported the chant in their official after match report to the FA.
Presumably then, you can find a number or references to the chant - in newspaper articles, blogs, fan sites, forums etc, pre-dating the Suarez-Evra incident?
I know the article you refer to, but I see no evidence that it is the basis for the chant.
Happy to be proven wrong, but as per the above - can you find a single reference to the chant that pre-dates the Suarez-Evra affair?
I think you will need to ask that question to regulars of United-Liverpool matches.
Don’t you think that a chant borne out of the Suarez affair would be more about defending racism or calling them racist lovers rather than the victims thing?
I suspect the issue hasn’t raised its head before because it’s not been included in official club after match reports before. Maybe the ladies are more sensitive to it I don’t know.
I think that additional sensitivity is certainly the case, though maybe we'll see the same complaints from the men's team after the next OT match. The Liverpool manager said she considered the United fans disrespectful in an interview with the Liverpool Echo last week, before we even played them.
Some Arsenal fans complained because we didn't applaud Jordan Nobbs when she got subbed against us last week. It's become a bit of a theme amongst the women's football traditionalists that we're introducing unwelcome men's game tribalism into the mix.
I didn't hear the chants. I'm told there were a couple of choruses of, "if you all hate the scousers" and "always the victims", but from how many and where, I don't know.
The stadium did air a standard "obscenities" warning over the PA at the start of the second half. But I must admit I'd assumed that someone had sung the OT version of You'll never get a job, or the original (not modified for the women's team as per the Barmy Army songbook) version of, "United are the team for me."
Chill, just asking as only heard it from media outlets and would have liked to hear it from someone there than jump on United fans based on media/Liverpool reports
This
God damn, that Lauren James is a baller. Very gifted.
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2-0 Well atleast one of our senior teams can beat Liverpool. Well done girls. I hope the men's take some inspiration from you.