WSL 25/26 | United v London City Lionesses - 12:00 Sun 15 Feb

We probably should have expected a bad start given that we fielded a team of strangers. I think we'll look much better in the second half.

I sure hope Jayde learned her lesson from the last time she got an early yellow.
 
PTJ has to improve her kicking/passing. Great shot stopper but often in panic mode when the ball is passed to her.
This is exactly why Emma Hayes isn't yet sold on Phallon as the #1 for the USWNT. She really wants a keeper who is good with the ball at her feet to play a significant role in building out of the back.
 
I'm having a hard time remembering Schuller getting a touch today. Not particularly her fault, more a symptom of how we're misfiring.
 
This is exactly why Emma Hayes isn't yet sold on Phallon as the #1 for the USWNT. She really wants a keeper who is good with the ball at her feet to play a significant role in building out of the back.

Emma Hayes can do one
 
I'm having a hard time remembering Schuller getting a touch today. Not particularly her fault, more a symptom of how we're misfiring.

Yeap. Think Jayde’s cross a few minutes ago was our first in the whole game.
 
That was so bad. Threatening position on the edge of their box, but then we play the ball backwards to the halfway line and eventually lose possession.
 
Games like today and ones against Villa and Spurs where we have dropped points after CL games, is what separates the better depth squads and winning the WSL.
 
I'll take the win, well taken header from Turner. London will be kicking themselves that they didnt extend their lead in the first half
 
Lucky win. Three points is all that matters today though.
Yeah. London City have a lot of attacking talent in Geyoro, Godfrey, Asllani etc, if they are left to play and press, it will be dangerous.

But a bit of classic United with Millie Turner clinching it with a header towards the end!
 
A win’s a win. It’s good that we’re able to grind out results like this with a few key players out, even if the performance wasn’t great.
 
Yeah. London City have a lot of attacking talent in Geyoro, Godfrey, Asllani etc, if they are left to play and press, it will be dangerous.

But a bit of classic United with Millie Turner clinching it with a header towards the end!
Very pleased for Millie. She’s had a tough season.
 
Oof. That was pretty bad watching live. Wangerhiem and Awujo looked way off the pace, unsure and slow. Gabby was running in treacle. It was a bit painful compared to the a-team. Great grit to come from behind, no doubt about that, just it seems the second choice are quite a level below. Or it could be LCL played a blinder. With illness around and tiredness from the travelling, it all adds up I guess. Dom and Julia coming on made a huge difference to composure and speed of thought. Hope there is good recovery before Thursday!
 
Good win considering the midweek fixture and the absence of Toone, Rolfo and Sandberg.
 
Oof. That was pretty bad watching live. Wangerhiem and Awujo looked way off the pace, unsure and slow. Gabby was running in treacle. It was a bit painful compared to the a-team. Great grit to come from behind, no doubt about that, just it seems the second choice are quite a level below. Or it could be LCL played a blinder. With illness around and tiredness from the travelling, it all adds up I guess. Dom and Julia coming on made a huge difference to composure and speed of thought. Hope there is good recovery before Thursday!

Wangerheim has looked like that since she came in. I don't think starting her in all these games is doing her any favours but without Toone, Rolfo and Malard it's where we are at. I think she might look a bit more confident coming on as a sub and playing against tired legs.
 
Wangerheim has looked like that since she came in. I don't think starting her in all these games is doing her any favours but without Toone, Rolfo and Malard it's where we are at. I think she might look a bit more confident coming on as a sub and playing against tired legs.
Yeah for sure. Awujo has looked bright coming on as a sub too. The team just didn’t click today.
 
Sometimes we win with style and finesse; sometimes we win through sheer grit and determination. They all count the same.

Due to a combination of injuries, illness, and heavy legs, Skinner had to cobble together an emergency starting XI that included three "B-team" players who don't ordinarily play a lot of minutes (Awujo, Naalsund, George); two players who have been with us for about 20 minutes (Schuller, Wangerheim); a veteran CB who hasn't started a match in five months (Turner); and one regular starter playing out of position (Park). None of us should have been surprised that it was going to be a struggle and wasn't going to be pretty.

Raise your hand if you predicted in advance that Millie Turner would be today's PoTM with a goal and an assist.

I love this team!
 
Same.

Yes we did struggle to grind out a win, but we did it. I'm happy for Millie too - I think she said a week or so ago that it's 8 months since she played 90 minutes.
Yes, thrilled for Millie -- and also for the team as a whole now that she's evidently not only capable of going 90 but appears to be in excellent form despite the long layoff. (That said, I imagine that she probably had trouble getting out of bed this morning and probably won't be good for many/any minutes on Thursday.) This not only alleviates concerns about depth at CB, but potentially frees up Dom to be deployed as a DM or outside back if needed. Or perhaps even to give Maya a day off at some point?
 
Yes, thrilled for Millie -- and also for the team as a whole now that she's evidently not only capable of going 90 but appears to be in excellent form despite the long layoff. (That said, I imagine that she probably had trouble getting out of bed this morning and probably won't be good for many/any minutes on Thursday.) This not only alleviates concerns about depth at CB, but potentially frees up Dom to be deployed as a DM or outside back if needed. Or perhaps even to give Maya a day off at some point?
Maya will have no minutes off unless incapacitated. And what on Earth is an outside back? (Yes, I know what you mean!)
 
Maya will have no minutes off unless incapacitated. And what on Earth is an outside back? (Yes, I know what you mean!)
Haha -- is an "outside back" not a thing in football? I'm sure I adopted the term because I've heard it used often, but maybe it only exists over here in "soccer"? (There's a hilarious video somewhere in which Tooney is teasing Russo about all the weird vocabulary she brought back from her college years at UNC, such as "cleats" for boots and "practice" for training.)

I suspect that you are right about Maya, who is a lot like Toone in this regard, but I worry about her not getting the rest she probably ought to have. As I understand it, Toone's injury is of a kind that arises from overuse without ample healing/recovery time. She learned the hard way and I'd prefer that the same not happen to our captain.
 
It's funny really - football terminology changes all the time. Old United programmes refer to the colours of stockings rather than socks, which I always found amusing.

Inside forwards, wing- halves, and the relatively recent inverted nonsense ... but as far as I am aware "outside back" is not used here - but I assume you mean a full-back, or left/right back?

I understand your concern about Maya and your reference to Tooney is pertinent, however, some players thrive on playing every minute (Hini is another in that group) - they simply do not seem to need rest.
 
I remember outside rights (and lefts) from many years back but they were wingers and not defenders.

Football words wander though - take goalies and keepers, I don't know when the favoured abbreviation changed but it did. I don't remember when centre halves became centre backs either!
 
I remember outside rights (and lefts) from many years back but they were wingers and not defenders.

Football words wander though - take goalies and keepers, I don't know when the favoured abbreviation changed but it did. I don't remember when centre halves became centre backs either!
Thank goodness you did not reference goaltenders or stoppers! And yes, I'm not sure about the centre half/centre back thing either. Actually, centre forward also seems out of fashion.
 
I use the term "outside back" to refer generically to any back who plays "outside" the center-backs -- i.e., to include both fullbacks and wingbacks, etc. as well as right versus left. I thought that was an appropriate term in the context of talking about the various positions that Dom could play other than CB.

That said, it makes me feel better to know that even you Brits sometimes get confused about how the lingo has changed over time. The potential confusion is doubled for me because of differences between the lingo used in American "soccer" versus "football" in other countries.

I played "soccer" as a kid, and as I recall the lingo at that time was very much influenced by American football. We played on a "field," not a "pitch," which was bordered by "sidelines" rather than "touch lines," and when we didn't have "games" (not "matches") we went to "practice" (not "training"). After that, my primary experience in watching soccer/football for most of my adult life has been watching the USWNT on television, with American announcers and commentators. It is only within the last few years that I've broadened my horizons and become such a big fan of the WSL (and the Lionesses). I'm still learning.

My childhood experience in playing football was more than 50 years ago, so I don't remember a lot of details, but there's one thing I do remember that might make some of your brains to explode. I was on a couple of teams in which my position was designated as "center half" -- but that referred to what we would now call a central "midfielder." As I recall, all of the defensive backs at the time were called "fullbacks," and midfielders were called "halfbacks" -- following what was then an important distinction in American football at that time that no longer exists.
 
I use the term "outside back" to refer generically to any back who plays "outside" the center-backs -- i.e., to include both fullbacks and wingbacks, etc. as well as right versus left. I thought that was an appropriate term in the context of talking about the various positions that Dom could play other than CB.

That said, it makes me feel better to know that even you Brits sometimes get confused about how the lingo has changed over time. The potential confusion is doubled for me because of differences between the lingo used in American "soccer" versus "football" in other countries.

I played "soccer" as a kid, and as I recall the lingo at that time was very much influenced by American football. We played on a "field," not a "pitch," which was bordered by "sidelines" rather than "touch lines," and when we didn't have "games" (not "matches") we went to "practice" (not "training"). After that, my primary experience in watching soccer/football for most of my adult life has been watching the USWNT on television, with American announcers and commentators. It is only within the last few years that I've broadened my horizons and become such a big fan of the WSL (and the Lionesses). I'm still learning.

My childhood experience in playing football was more than 50 years ago, so I don't remember a lot of details, but there's one thing I do remember that might make some of your brains to explode. I was on a couple of teams in which my position was designated as "center half" -- but that referred to what we would now call a central "midfielder." As I recall, all of the defensive backs at the time were called "fullbacks," and midfielders were called "halfbacks" -- following what was then an important distinction in American football at that time that no longer exists.
You are right - my head's just exploded ;)

Fair play though - I meant no harm in my post.
 
You are right - my head's just exploded ;)

Fair play though - I meant no harm in my post.
Yeah, sorry about that head-explosion thing. I did warn you, though.... :cool:

And seriously, it never occurred to me to think of your post as insulting or offensive or anything like that. If you ever say anything that strikes me that way I would assume that I had probably misinterpreted it. On the flip side, I hope that nobody ever interprets any of my posts as insulting or offensive (or anything like that). If you ever do feel that way, please give me the benefit of the doubt and ask whether you've misinterpreted what I said, because I surely didn't mean it that way!
 
My childhood experience in playing football was more than 50 years ago, so I don't remember a lot of details, but there's one thing I do remember that might make some of your brains to explode. I was on a couple of teams in which my position was designated as "center half" -- but that referred to what we would now call a central "midfielder." As I recall, all of the defensive backs at the time were called "fullbacks," and midfielders were called "halfbacks" -- following what was then an important distinction in American football at that time that no longer exists.
I'm not following this debate too closely, but these terms are consistent with the terms used in European football at the time. Back when there were WMs, a fullback was the last line of defence. The centre halfs were midfielders, but the defensive ones were later pushed back to become what we now call centre backs. Outside back is probably an American thing as I haven't heard that one used much in Europe, but I think it makes sense that those would be fullbacks.
 
@Lobster11 and @Himannv - I've just been looking at a United programme from 1965 where the team layout is
1.
2. 3.
4. 5. 6
7. 8. 9. 10.11.
So you both may have a point about full-backs. (Incidentally, the 4, 5 and 6 were Crerrand, Foulkes and Stiles)
 
This has been a fun and interesting discussion.

Cycling back, the context in which I used the term "outside back" was in reference to positions Janssen would be available to play, if needed, when Turner is in the lineup. The term I should have used was clearly "fullback."

Now I'm going to get back to stressing about all the players we will be missing today, and wondering how Skinner will handle it. But that's a different thread....