How did the excitement of Ten Hag and Amorim work out for us? There's always a flavour of the month and there will be again even if we end up sacking Carrick next season.
That Real pan is straight lava, where minimum expectation is to win every single game, lest you're a complete failure. He won't be under that kind of pressure at Chelsea. And he won't have to live up to the momentous task of filling Big Carlo's boots and handle the Valverdes and the Vinis. He'll get a period of grace and he has the man-ager to outshine.
Well, no two cases are exactly alike. But compare Carricks results to those of Amorim and the conclusion should be that he really tidied up the mess and has been a miracle worker.
and clearly it was of no concern to him
Ten Hag and Amorim hadn't proven anything outside of their own home leagues. Alonso isn't in the same bracket as them, and certainly isn't a "flavour of the month." He won the Bundesliga undefeated with a club that is comparable to Tottenham, and he had like the third highest win rate of any Real Madrid manager, sitting one point below 1st place when he was sacked due to that club's unhealthy player culture. That's tiers above Ten Hag and Amorim. They just managed to win domestically with Ajax and Sporting, hardly achievements that shook the foundations of football.
Im not advocating for EtH or Amorim, but Ten Hag managed to build an incredible Ajax team and lead them to a UCL semi-final. He was regarded as a fantastic coach who achieved both domestically and in the UCL.
It's easy to say all that in hindsight. When we hired ten Hag we were told it was an incredible feat reaching the semis of the CL and various other mental gymnastic shite was said to big him up. Alonso has achieved nothing outside of Leverkusen. He's no more guaranteed to succeed at Chelsea than Ten Hag or Amorim was at United.
Exactly what I've been saying. I remember when Klopp first went to pool, we had the same with fans saying hes not all that.
Still is, plus he's a gem in real life.
I suggested him before Amorim and people here claim it's impossible. Nothing is impossible.
What an awful post. All the FC nonsense. Feels like it’s been written by a spoilt child. Maybe it has.
You're just chasing shiny things and looking for things to be downbeat about. Carrick has come and settled the squad down, got them playing and we finally look fairly solid and competitive consistently. Don't get me wrong, I am not entirely sold on him but then again nor am I on Alonso, who also still has it all to prove.
You're exaggerating how impressive he's been so far. That bundesliga was the last time it looked like bayern were domestically vulnerable and, however you want to dress it up, Alonso at Madrid was a failure. You're saying he's 'obviously' a fantastic coach based on how many seasons?
Vulnerable or not, Alonso won the league unbeaten one point off the points record.
Yep, one season. Ranieri had a one off wonder season. I'm saying extrapolating that he's a fantastic coach from one (admittedly great) season and a half season with another huge club after which he was sacked in second(?) is madness
He also finished runner up with Leverkusen after the title. Which is a bit less stellar, but still a very very good season for them. For reference, they finished 6th this year
He got more points than any Bayern team bar Heynckes'. He'd have most likely won the title regardless of what Bayern did.
And before he took over, Leverkusen were 17th in the league.
Would be a good audition for a future United job if he's able to sort them out.
To be very fair, it was the guys first major job that he only left last summer and he went an undefeated league and cup double with a side who’d never won the league in their history.
Fair. I just don't see it as a body of work that justified saying he's obviously a fantastic coach.
Possibly. Again, I still think it's a bit mad that people are framing him as some sort of nailed on success.
Could've been proactive and picked up Mourinho
No idea and I'm not sure I claimed to have anyone in mind? I took issue with people kicking off that we apparently didn't go for him, as well as people claiming he is 'obviously a fantastic coach', which I don't agree with.
No, but like with Alonso, the jury is out. Do you?
No. Are you trying to make a point here?
You don't think Alonso is a fantastic coach so I was curious as to who you thought was (and that Chelsea should have gone for instead).
Are you asking me who I think is a fantastic coach, or who I think Chelsea could have realistically got that's better? Because the two are different questions.
Both.
