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Just to talk about madrid vs city again. A big difference between city and other teams is they are much more comfortable on the ball and hold on to it better. Guardiola has probably been the best manager at this since 2008. This is perhaps down to Guardiolas supposed heavy use of rondos in training. In a book I read about guardiola he shared that rondos are massive for guardiola in training and he uses them a lot. Supposedly he uses them more than other managers. Ancelotti, for example, supposedly used them much less at bayern and didnt view them as important.
 
So what you are saying is that whom prosperity remembers as the best isn't necessarily an accurate reflection.
Posterity, not prosperity. And no, that's not what I'm saying at all. The managers that are remembered are a) those who win a lot, and b) those who revolutionise the game in some way, tactically or otherwise. No one is penalised for spending money - in fact, the sums of money that are spent now will look laughably small in 50 years or 70 years or whatever.

I don't think Klopp's achievements in either realm are significant enough that he will be remembered as being better than Ancelotti or Guardiola. Even in the current day when we can all see his resume and achievements clearly, there are many knocks against him, his terrible title defence seasons with both Liverpool and Dortmund for example. He's one of the best coaches in the world, but I would not say he is the best.
 
Posterity, not prosperity. And no, that's not what I'm saying at all. The managers that are remembered are a) those who win a lot, and b) those who revolutionise the game in some way, tactically or otherwise. No one is penalised for spending money - in fact, the sums of money that are spent now will look laughably small in 50 years or 70 years or whatever.

I don't think Klopp's achievements in either realm are significant enough that he will be remembered as being better than Ancelotti or Guardiola. Even in the current day when we can all see his resume and achievements clearly, there are many knocks against him, his terrible title defence seasons with both Liverpool and Dortmund for example. He's one of the best coaches in the world, but I would not say he is the best.

He did revolutionise the game though. Particularly I also enjoyed how his teams play, quite a lot more than Guardiola and Ancelotti even though they have won a lot more than him.
 
I said klopp is better. If it wasn't a valid comparison they wouldn't have almost same number of leagues and cls. Benitez didnt fail with those two clubs, he disappointed and didnt live up to expectations.
Benitez only lasted 6 months at both Inter and Madrid. He disappointed? More like he exploded.
Why hasn't klopp gone to a heavyweight like inter or madrid who have hig resourcesbut fire managers fast? Why is he still at underdog teams? If he was so much better he would surely have gone there and won.
Liverpool were still a giant, still one of the most popular clubs in the world, as bad as they were in their banter era they had never finished 15th like us under the portugese fraud, and you cant blame Klopp if he had his hearts for Liverpool and wanted to revive them.
 
Benitez only lasted 6 months at both Inter and Madrid. He disappointed? More like he exploded.

Liverpool were still a giant, still one of the most popular clubs in the world, as bad as they were in their banter era they had never finished 15th like us under the portugese fraud, and you cant blame Klopp if he had his hearts for Liverpool and wanted to revive them.
He only lasted that long because they are sacking clubs. There is no proof klopp could do better, with him having off seasons and taking time to build teams. Bayern, madrid, Chelsea, city, Barcelona are harder to manage than Liverpool. They sack successful managers. Klopp takes time to build teams and has off seasons. He doesn't look like the best fit for those clubs imo, but he could prove me wrong. As far as I'm concerned, klop is closer to wenger and benitez than mourinho and ancelotti at their best and in termsof their careers. Not bad company.
 
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Just to talk about madrid vs city again. A big difference between city and other teams is they are much more comfortable on the ball and hold on to it better. Guardiola has probably been the best manager at this since 2008. This is perhaps down to Guardiolas supposed heavy use of rondos in training. In a book I read about guardiola he shared that rondos are massive for guardiola in training and he uses them a lot. Supposedly he uses them more than other managers. Ancelotti, for example, supposedly used them much less at bayern and didnt view them as important.
it comes from his deep love of bukkake. it’s why he keeps a shaved head, so he clean himself up faster. though most opposing touch line managers will comment on how he smells of cum.
 
it comes from his deep love of bukkake. it’s why he keeps a shaved head, so he clean himself up faster. though most opposing touch line managers will comment on how he smells of cum.
Arent you a funny fella. Did a infant hijack your account?
 
He only lasted that long because they are sacking clubs. There is no proof klopp could do better, with him having off seasons and taking time to build teams. Bayern, madrid, Chelsea, city, Barcelona are harder to manage than Liverpool. They sack successful managers. Klopp takes time to build teams and has off seasons. He doesn't look like the best fit for those clubs imo, but he could prove me wrong. As far as I'm concerned, klop is closer to wenger and benitez than mourinho and ancelotti at their best and in termsof their careers. Not bad company.

Theres also no proof that Klopp couldnt do better either so cut the crap about it. Both Madrid and Inter have had managers lasted for years, the only managers who lasted in months were those crappy ones. Klopp takes time to build his team as most often he inherited crap players but you mustve mistook Klopp's rebuilding to Amorim's as you can see the improvement of his team instantly.
 
Theres also no proof that Klopp couldnt do better either so cut the crap about it. Both Madrid and Inter have had managers lasted for years, the only managers who lasted in months were those crappy ones. Klopp takes time to build his team as most often he inherited crap players but you mustve mistook Klopp's rebuilding to Amorim's as you can see the improvement of his team instantly.
The only one talking crap is you referring to benitez as FSW and calling him crap. Only mourinho, Zidane and ancelotti lasted long at madrid and they are either among the best ever or have achieved something considered amongst the best ever. Klopp would do well to achieve what they have done. At the moment is is less than Zidane and half of ancelotti and Mourinho in terms of trophies.
 
Klopp would do well to achieve what they have done. At the moment is is less than Zidane and half of ancelotti and Mourinho in terms of trophies.

If it's managing Vibes FC divas or parking a bus whilst instilling a siege mentality (Mou is the best bar none, thank god football moved on), Zidane, Mou, Ancelotti are your guys. If it's about instilling an cohesive playing style that's great to watch and utilising academy players, Klopp is a cut above.

When it comes to trophy hauls, Klopp's "problem" is that even if he has a good footballing brain, his feet weren't quite as talented thus he had to take the scenic route to top clubs unlike Xabi, Pep, Ancelotti, Zidane who were fast-tracked due to their success as players. Klopp spent his entire playing career at Mainz in the lower leagues, arguably his best achievement as a coach was leading Mainz to achieve top flight promotion for the 1st time ever, making their UEFA Cup debut, (and alongside Tuchel) solidifying Mainz's status in the top flight. He wouldn't need to start in the 2.BL if he was a better player, but it's a bit futile to compare him to bus-parkers and Vibes FC coaches when he's known for a distinct tactical system despite being a great man manager. It's interesting though, that Klopp thinks a bit like an underdog due to his playing days and this influenced his choice of clubs but Tuchel & Nagelsmann don't really suffer from imposter syndrome.
 
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Is it true that if he doesn't beat Alaves tonight, he will be fired?
 
The only one talking crap is you referring to benitez as FSW and calling him crap. Only mourinho, Zidane and ancelotti lasted long at madrid and they are either among the best ever or have achieved something considered amongst the best ever. Klopp would do well to achieve what they have done. At the moment is is less than Zidane and half of ancelotti and Mourinho in terms of trophies.

Why are you so mad Benitez got called FSW? HAHA! We United fans called him that all the frikin time! You like Benitez? You like his its a fact rants or you like it when he refused to give us guard of honor in SAF last season? So much respect for that man who had no respect for our club (except if youre not a man united fan i apologize)
 
That's wild. Must be because of his unwillingness/lack of ability to fit in Mbappe and Vini together. Though he's not wrong with it. They take the same positions and don't work together.
 
Wow, didn't think they would actually pull the trigger. Destined for England, surely?
 
Wow.

Madrid, Chelsea and United all sack their managers within a month.

Hope he doesn’t come to England unless it’s to manage us.
 
Be interesting to see who they go for. I think Arbeloa is quite highly rated but I'm guessing it'll be turkey teeth.
 
I would be all over him if I were you.
 
At one end of the spectrum you have United, a club that gives managers too much time. At the other end you have Real, a club that don't give managers enough time
 
Madrid for FA at all...Sacked him mid season.

Having said that Madrids squad has some deep issues - Their defense has had injury problems for so long. I swear Ive seen valverde, camavinga play full back at times.

Then their midfield lacks the control Modric and Kroos gave them. Obviously you can replace 2 goats but Tchoumeni is bang average , Valverde and Bellingham are great ball carriers but I dont think either can control the game.

Vini has been poor, Rodrygo has struggled. Mbappe has been carrying them a fair bit
 
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