Xabi Alonso | Real Madrid Manager | Sack Watch

I believe there were several problems in 2024/25. First one was a lack of desire after a season winning trophies. Second was the injuries to key players such as Militao, Carvajal, Mendy, Alaba, Camavinga etc that weakened the defensive line and moved Valverde out of his best position. Third one was the lack of a Kroos profile (it doesn't come as a surprise that Madrid's best games had an in form Ceballos in the starting eleven). The last one relates to lack of balance caused by having Mbappe, Vinicius, Rodrygo and Bellingham playing at the same time.

Apart from the aforementioned problems I think most players need to disconnect from football for a while. The CWC has not helped with that and I would really love if it does not have a negative impact in months to come.

Regarding Vinicius, I have the theory he partly feels that if he plays with commitment the most benefited player would be Mbappe and that goes against his desire of becoming the best player in the world. I don't claim he is boycotting the team due to that, but somehow, consciously or unconsciously he detects that situation and his level of motivation is not and won't be as high as in 2023/24.

I think the club and Xabi are well aware of the problems of the team, most of which can be sorted with time and the new signings (none of which were available vs PSG). Even so, these elements are necessary but not sufficient. Vinicius and Mbappe's star status puts Alonso in a situation slightly similar, although smaller in size, to the one experienced by Camacho in the worst era of the Galacticos. Also, it remains to be seen whether Arda Guler will live up to expectations in his new position, or whether the club will make a signing to fill that role.
 
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You can’t have TAA, Bellingham, Vini Jr and Mbappe starting and expect to outwork the opposition.

He has some big decisions to make, and I don’t even know if he is allowed to make them.
 
You can’t have TAA, Bellingham, Vini Jr and Mbappe starting and expect to outwork the opposition.

He has some big decisions to make, and I don’t even know if he is allowed to make them.
Lazy ass TAA will be benched once Carvajal make full recovery.
 
You can’t have TAA, Bellingham, Vini Jr and Mbappe starting and expect to outwork the opposition.

He has some big decisions to make, and I don’t even know if he is allowed to make them.
Managers are expendable at Madrid, I doubt they'd allow anyone to drop the star names, Mbappe and Vini especially.
 
At some point Luis Enrique wanted to bench Messi at Barcelona. As a chairman, I guess you would have agreed with that.

Can't believe that's true, are there any reliable sources for that?
 
There was a very well-documented issues between Luis Enrique and Messi in the beginning of his tenure, which reached a peak when LE benched him for a game against Real Sociedad (which Barcelona lost). But I don't think it was an attempt to bench him indefinitely.
 
He didn't want to bench Messi. He benched Messi for one match to rest him

The problem was Messi wanted to play, blamed him for the loss. Messi had generally not been impressed by Lucho 'till then. On the other hand LE wanted Messi to play on the RW to better balance the team with Suarez and Neymar, and Messi didn't really want to do that. They fought. Messi was very very close to sacking him but Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and Pique convinced him to give Luis Enrique a chance. Messi moved back to the RW so Suarez could play in the middle and the rest is history

Messi doing what he wanted anyways was one of the reasons Luis Enrique eventually called it quits, and likely also directly affected Ney's decision to leave
 
When was last time RM went two seasons in a row without a major trophy, 20 years ago or something?

Usually the team strikes back after a poor one, but the way we keep getting annihilated whenever facing actual quality opposition is worrying, Xabi has to find a way to sort this mess he inherited rather quick.
 
So, is/was Perez making these decisions if the Manager doesn't have full control?
The point is that in certain clubs the sports policy is built by a group of people, and the coach must adapt to that. In Real Madrid´s case that group of people would be Florentino Perez, JAS, Juni and Xabi Alonso, among others. One of the principles in such policy might be that certain players are the core of the project, and the coach, who is an employee of the club, must adhere to it and build the team around those players. If the information I shared was true, which is a big if, that may mean that at this point in time that group of people believe some individuals interests may clash with Alonso's ideas and the sports directors are giving more priority to the manager, which means they would be OK with seeing some sacrifices if Alonso believes that benefits the team.

But this is nothing new. In Spain, coaches never have full control. The responsibility is shared and the model has proven successful for years.
 
So, is/was Perez making these decisions if the Manager doesn't have full control?
Not exactly. The manager always has full control over personnel decisions...it's just that if you don't play the guys Flo wants you to play, you better fecking win if you want to keep the job

But then again, if you don't win, your job's in danger regardless, so...

At least right now there's no Cristiano on the team with the ability to sack you :lol:
 
I know they've verbally committed to his style and vision but Madrid are perhaps the most fickle of all clubs when it comes to pulling the trigger and while today's result could be chalked up as an aberration one can't help to wonder how long they'd persist with if the road ahead gets bumpier.
 
I know they've verbally committed to his style and vision but Madrid are perhaps the most fickle of all clubs when it comes to pulling the trigger and while today's result could be chalked up as an aberration one can't help to wonder how long they'd persist with if the road ahead gets bumpier.
What style and vision, this club is uncoachable :lol:

You have the stars and your job is to keep them happy, and make them into a close enough semblance of a team to win the big trophies
 
What style and vision, this club is uncoachable :lol:

You have the stars and your job is to keep them happy, and make them into a close enough semblance of a team to win the big trophies
Then why bring in Alonso?

Nothing in his record shows he's that type of manager.
 
If the reason for hiring Alonso was to bring a modern coach who is actually coaching tactics and style of play at Madrid, so far he is failing badly at his task. Yes, that was his first loss for the season but his wins were accomplished by the individualistic efforts of his stars.. Absolutely nothing has changed in the way Real Madrid are playing comparing to the last season .. As if Ancelotti is still there..
 
What style and vision, this club is uncoachable :lol:

You have the stars and your job is to keep them happy, and make them into a close enough semblance of a team to win the big trophies
Pretty disgusting way to run a club to be honest, but that's Madrid for you. Grotesque.
 
Any logical explanation to start Jude and to replace Guler first ?

No, just dumbass decisions.

Firstly, he is coming from long term injury, and he fields him against Atletico thugs at Wanda. Secondly, he ain`t CM. Hence even if you had top tier CDM and tempo setting CM, you are playing a player of position albeit you could get away with it, but why do that? Play him upfront where he is lethal. While problems compound considering we don`t have world class CDM let alone tempo setting CM. As cherry on top, he puts the only creative player in the squad wide, and pulls him out early on. Why? Because he is sitting on a yellow? Absolutely stupid reasoning to have.

Long term i would opt for Mbappe and Belli upfront, with Toucho and Guler as double pivot with Valverde and Franco as LM / RM. Easy choice for me. While in the summer we need three players to add, and that is it. Most important quality tempo setting CM, a CB and a forward to replace Vini.
 
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It’s still grotesque. Success hides it but it’s there.
Uh? Success hides it? Success is the point :lol:

And nobody has been more successful over the last decade
Just not to my tastes. I don't agree with the notion of 'pampering stars' to extract performances out of them.
It works though. Seemingly better than any other method
 
Uh? Success hides it? Success is the point :lol:

And nobody has been more successful over the last decade

It works though. Seemingly better than any other method
It’s the cult of the manager. Success doesn’t matter.