Not to be a dick but when did Fallout or Skyrim ever have good combat? It seems like a strange position to take, one many are, unless you're coming in with expectations of a different genre/style game..
Basically this
The thing is, if you looked at their past games, the ones that people have praised as some of the best games ever, they wouldn't look amazing in clips either if you didn't know any better, which you've essentially alluded to there. Yeah, it should be more impressive than those now, but there's a clear improvement in graphics, even if the animations aren't mind blowing. Hopefully other steps forward too.
I mean, since those were flaws in games from 7 to 10 years ago, I think its fair for them to bring those elements up to speed if its going to be a GOTY contender.
Every game that has scale has flaws. Clearly its one of the most ambitious games coming out, and it can't be the best at everything to everyone.
I have two systems that can play it and I'm still wary after how poor Fallout 4 was and some of what I saw in the trailer. That said I'll still play it, cause gamepass, and it'll probably be a perfectly fine way to spend dozens of hours, so that's fine. I also would prefer it would more Bethesda of old than new.
I said its a fair criticism and reason to not like it. Me, Veeva and others have already said the game needs to show the vast scale isn't dull and lifeless and said the combat isnt great / looks passable.
And yet, Series X's were in stock yesterday and I made the impulse purchaseDiablo 4 will be coming to PS5/PC mate, not exclusive to Xbox. So you can cross that off too
I'm not suggesting that has to be the best at everything to everyone, or have shooting mechanics as tight as a dedicated shooter, that's just a strawman. But even for a game with multiple mechanics, each element of that game has to have at least a decent minimum standard for the overall game to stand out - weakest link in the chain etc.
Wasn't just aimed at you.
Nice! You won't regret it.And yet, Series X's were in stock yesterday and I made the impulse purchase
Fallout 4 was crap. Didn’t even manage to complete it.
Wasn't as good as 3 or NV that's for sure
Maybe. Let's see.
Cant disagree. And yet I still can’t help but continuously excited about the prospect of a new Elder Scrolls. Skyrim was just an incredible game for me and one that I still play. I basically just need more of the same in a slightly updated package. Fallout 4 on the other hand I didn’t enjoy at all. Boring gameplay, poor characters, not many memorable locations. Personally think this looks very much Fallout in Space which just doesn’t massively appeal to me personally. Having said that when I do pick up an Xbox down the line I’ll certainly give it a go.
This is such a strange opinion and train of thought. Not saying just you specifically, but there's a lot of "it's fallout in space, that's all I expect" as if you are all trying to justify it not being particularly great from the off and already downplaying it. Ask yourselves, is that a good sign you have to do that?
).Ah come on, plenty of open-world games have been slated on here recently for being safe and not innovative. Horizon Forbidden West, Days Gone, Outer Worlds, Ghost of Tsushima, Cyberpunk etc. Fallout 4 was also really by the book and a bit of a step back if anything.
I agree. I'd love that. I can be happy with something done like other good games with a completely new and potentially exciting theme though, if done well obviously.
They could have been, Cyberpunk definitely was. Still saddens me that it was so disappointing. I would say the big difference with Cyberpunk is that it came after The Witcher 3 whereas this is coming off the back of Fallout 4. Same with Horizon, off the back of the first, people were rightly excited, and I was disappointed as hell. Don't recall much buzz for Days Gone, maybe some for Ghost but a lot of people did like that despite the usual open world tropes, to be fair.
Confirmation bias.
I've got the 3 months for $1 at the moment, I'll look into that 3 years trick.
But you and others have long pointed at this as the game that will claw back the Series consoles.
I'm not saying it's impossible for them to innovate, just that they are going more, bigger, better route instead. Since they've gone with the same formula, it can't have the same impact that Skyrim and their other previous successes had, as the industry has come on since then and these games are common place. But despite it not having the impact of Skyrim + co, I still expect it to sell bucket loads and be critically acclaimed - like Cyberpunk did.This is such a strange opinion and train of thought. Not saying just you specifically, but there's a lot of "it's fallout in space, that's all I expect" as if you are all trying to justify it not being particularly great from the off and already downplaying it. Ask yourselves, is that a good sign you have to do that?
There's absolutely no reason they can't be trying something that innovates, no reason at all (apart from being cheap) to be using the same engine that ran Morrowind and was shit to work with even then.
Personally, I'm still looking forward to it but not getting my hopes up. I always have and will always be gameplay first. But when the gameplay also looks dated, then the CP2077 comparisons are apt because we were warned about how that plays from early videos and people were doing exactly the same then "oh you can't really tell!" but yeah, you can.
But we can all (well most of us) unite in simply wanting another belter of a game to play, so I'll be ecstatic to be wrong (for once
Nope, I've never done that.
This is actually what I was saying about Starfield a year ago. Not slating it as the game that will claw Xbox back.
Would imply I thought that first. This is a recent conclusion based off reactions from the last year or so compared to reactions to what we've seen this week. It's also pretty obvious there's a heavy bias in playerbase when it comes to this forum.
I'm not dignifying this post with a detailed reply.
Skyrim isn't a great example either, as although it wasn't the very start of the downhill trend it was one of the biggest pushes to dumbing. If you search back, you'll see the same thoughts of mine on the like of this match those like Mass Effect 2, Dead Space 2 and even further Deus Ex 2.
), but it's a bit worrying so many people are already accepting it won't be the game they themselves are promoting. Much like CP wasn't, much like Infinite wasn't. We've seen this before, and it's not that we can't enjoy them still, but it's not exactly wrong of people to call it out. In fact in the times we are living in where we are getting fecked over left right and centre in real life, I'd argue more people should be opening their eyes to the truth of what goes on and why bullshot hype should be called out.You said it Lambo!
Of course by sitting on the fence you've been able to paint it as if you were always predicting correctly.
I know you dodge playing games with me.
So I was sitting on the fence when moments ago I was hyping it as the great savior. Okay mate
Absolutely. Being disappointed that it's more of the same is fair. Saying that it looks poop, not very good, or bad - all taken from this thread, feels like hyperbole to me.
This makes no sense. It's people with realistic expectations who are hopeful of a good game, and always has been. That we aren't prepared to say it's going to be the best game ever just so you can shit all over that isn't a bad thing. You're literally now knocking people for having a realistic view. Baring in mind also, we still know very little about it and it could actually be brilliant.
Ah, the classic manoeuvre.
You and @VeevaVee should try to find the original posts I made about Last of Us 1 and GT5. I was as right about them and the likes of Uncharted as I am now.So I was sitting on the fence when moments ago I was hyping it as the great savior. Okay mate
I 'sat on the fence with Starfield' because as I said, the hype was due to the studio and I thought it was unlikely to meet peoples expectations. Happy to hype up gamepass as the best thing in gaming, Forza Horizon 5 as the best exclusive released since next-gen started, and Halo as the best arena shooter in years.
They have a huge FPS catalogue admittedly but now have huge diversity. Of the Sunday showcase - how many were FPS games? Redfall? A game already in development before the acquisition, and supposedly coming with a different spin.
Absolutely. Being disappointed that it's more of the same is fair. Saying that it looks poop, not very good, or bad - all taken from this thread, feels like hyperbole to me.
And to Veeva's point - that same criticism isn't levelled fairly across the board. Sony's 1st party output is as formulaic as you can get. The majority are either Ubisoft open world or third-person linear campaigns, and there's very little innovation and hasn't been for a long time.
You fawn over Horizon which has incredibly average gameplay and brings nothing new to the table.
Definitely in my case.
