Yan Diomande
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I know nothing about him but given the reported fee, I can’t see the logic in blowing a large part of our limited budget on a young winger when we have such a pressing need elsewhere (ie. midfield and to a lesser extent centre back.) I’d be ok with Cunha and Dorgu manning the left flank for another season.
It's good if we monitor him but this is a transfer that certainly won't happen.
Is someone actually prepared to pay 100m for him, or is it just what the ask price is?
The big expensive failure of Wirtz should make the Germans more modest in their asks, surely.
The big expensive failure of Wirtz should make the Germans more modest in their asks, surely.
Think he’ll be liverpool’s Salah replacement. We’re not going to spend what it will take to bring here given he won’t even be a guaranteed starter right off the bat.
Weird logic there.
Grateful if you can elaborate.
Why would any team care, that Wirtz is flopping for Liverpool, when selling one of their players? It doesn’t affect them. It’s a market driven by supply and demand. Leipzig doesn’t give a shit about Wirtz. They will milk whoever buys Diomande the best they can.
Its not a big deal. The main reason I made the comment was that I am hoping we can sign Diomande and I know that we wont be able to pay 100m.
The rationale / logic I used is as follows:
There is the concept of "precedents" and transaction comparables.
Lets say a private equity firm paid 10x EBITDA to buy a company, but on exit were only able to realize a 1x return. Then, the next time another private equity company may only be prepared to pay 5x EBITDA for a similar asset, because they want to earn at least 2x return.
The seller in the latter case would be aware of the fate of the first investment. They know that no-one will pay 10x, so they don't want to set the price at 10x and risk having 0 buyers. As such, they may start by asking 7.5x.
I am applying the logic to Diomandes's potential sale.
Prices go up, young wingers are always expensive, he is a totally different player to Wirtz, Wirtz is not the only player that has ever left the Bundesliga for the PL.
If he leaves this summer he will be very expensive. I am sad Bayern can’t offer him a starting spot because I‘d love to have him.
The thought that an entire country should lower their asking prices because one player flopped (so far) at their new club is pretty bonkers, gotta say. That's just not how any of this works.
Rather have ndiaye
Isn't he 26 and has scored 6 goals for Everton this season?
We should forget signing Yan Diomande for 100m and just buy $NBIS
He's an excellent football player.
Yeah, he's at a goal or assist every 244 minutes this season, which is only slightly better than last season's 270 minutes. I don't see what's desirable about him.
Only one player has flopped moving from Germany to England ?
Wirtz was touted as a generational player in Germany. Liverpool broke the English record. He has struggled in the PL so far.
Isn’t it natural for buyers to be more conscious buying another player from Germany at a very high valuation given what’s happened with Wittz
I am not saying that every player from Germany is going to flop. Or we shouldn’t buy players from Germany. But i don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that the Wirtz transfer reduces some negotiating leverage.
You may disagree with me - that’s fine. Not sure the idea is bonkers. Each to his own.
We need some end product too.
He's unbelievably good though. No disrespect to Everton but he should be at a bigger club. Best dribbler in PL. He would break down low blocks that we struggle with.
Grealish and Dewbury hall said on video he's the most skillful player in PL. He would get bums off seats at Utd.
Abit of pure filth from him
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He’s electric, one of my favorite players to watch in the league. Didn’t he have 9 goals last year? If yes, not completely unreasonable to think he could take that to 15ish in a better team.
Is he? Should he? Perhaps in tight spaces, but if he's that good at it then how come he can't turn it in to more output in terms of assists and goals?
They would never purposefully overhype their own team-mate now, would they?...
9 goals but 0 assists. And it doesn't always work like that - both Cunha and Mbeumo are currently on course for notably fewer goals for United this season than they managed for Wolves and Brentford respectively in the previous one. Going from being the main man for a team where opponents afford you lots of space, to being a cog in a stronger team where opponents park the bus does not necessarily lead to better conditions for goal-scoring.
As for Ndiaye vs Diomande, I know it's the weaker Bundesliga, but what Diomande is currently doing there at 18/19 is mad. He definitely has the pace and strength to adapt to the PL as well; he's not a shrinking violet like Wirtz. Even allowing for some expected drop-off in output moving from Bundesliga to PL, there's still loads of room for him to excel - he's currently managing almost double the successful dribbles per 90 as Ndiaye for instance. He also has a creative passing game that Ndiaye simply doesn't have. Plus given his age he has loads more time to further adapt and improve.
Ndiaye wouldn't be a terrible squad option, but I'm not convinced he's a huge difference maker who can really help United to kick on.
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Having a selection of really good forwards usually helps with that. Amad, Cunha, Sesko and Mbeumo are all capable of scoring more goals.
Ndiaye scored 11 for Everton last season and will probably do similar this season. More importantly he's a player who can take the ball in tight spaces and beat a man, something that we would really benefit from.
I'm not even sure we need a winger but he is a very, very good one and would be great for us I'm sure.
The age thing really just comes down to preference. Many times I've heard that we will sign someone and they will be our answer for 10 years and it almost never happens. If we can sign someone to come in and be class for 4 or 5 years then that's good in my book.
We won’t be able to afford someone like him… midfield will be where most of our budget gets spent. Anything els will be a bonus and will need to come from selling.
Thats a fair point, and yeah don’t get me wrong- I don’t think Ndiaye would be a starter here. As an option of the bench though he would be electric.Is he? Should he? Perhaps in tight spaces, but if he's that good at it then how come he can't turn it in to more output in terms of assists and goals?
They would never purposefully overhype their own team-mate now, would they?...
9 goals but 0 assists. And it doesn't always work like that - both Cunha and Mbeumo are currently on course for notably fewer goals for United this season than they managed for Wolves and Brentford respectively in the previous one. Going from being the main man for a team where opponents afford you lots of space, to being a cog in a stronger team where opponents park the bus does not necessarily lead to better conditions for goal-scoring.
As for Ndiaye vs Diomande, I know it's the weaker Bundesliga, but what Diomande is currently doing there at 18/19 is mad. He definitely has the pace and strength to adapt to the PL as well; he's not a shrinking violet like Wirtz. Even allowing for some expected drop-off in output moving from Bundesliga to PL, there's still loads of room for him to excel - he's currently managing almost double the successful dribbles per 90 as Ndiaye for instance. He also has a creative passing game that Ndiaye simply doesn't have. Plus given his age he has loads more time to further adapt and improve.
Ndiaye wouldn't be a terrible squad option, but I'm not convinced he's a huge difference maker who can really help United to kick on.
I think we’re better off finding a young relatively unproven player who can play off the left and will be happy starting from the bench most of the time. I wouldn’t spend too much money on that LW spot this summer.
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Stat comparisons between the two players in two different leagues are meaningless imho. There are so many variables and metrics to take into account. When it comes down to it, ndiaye is PL proven and diomande isn't. That does factor into INEOS thinking as we have seen previously.
So many players have flattered to deceive when arriving to PL from Germany. Sancho being the poster boy for that.
Grealish made a interesting point. Most wingers need space to run into. Ndiaye can beat a man from standing with skill or a trick. In terms of pure skill, both Grealish and Dewbury Hall said he is the best. Yes they are his teammates. However I think they were being honest.
Imho he is a difference maker winger especially when coming up against a low block. The fact that we have been linked with him over last few months, shows that he must be rated internally at Utd by the scouts and analysts.
Unfortunately he would be very expensive now and he is 26.
Is he? Should he? Perhaps in tight spaces, but if he's that good at it then how come he can't turn it in to more output in terms of assists and goals?
They would never purposefully overhype their own team-mate now, would they?...
9 goals but 0 assists. And it doesn't always work like that - both Cunha and Mbeumo are currently on course for notably fewer goals for United this season than they managed for Wolves and Brentford respectively in the previous one. Going from being the main man for a team where opponents afford you lots of space, to being a cog in a stronger team where opponents park the bus does not necessarily lead to better conditions for goal-scoring.
As for Ndiaye vs Diomande, I know it's the weaker Bundesliga, but what Diomande is currently doing there at 18/19 is mad. He definitely has the pace and strength to adapt to the PL as well; he's not a shrinking violet like Wirtz. Even allowing for some expected drop-off in output moving from Bundesliga to PL, there's still loads of room for him to excel - he's currently managing almost double the successful dribbles per 90 as Ndiaye for instance. He also has a creative passing game that Ndiaye simply doesn't have. Plus given his age he has loads more time to further adapt and improve.
Ndiaye wouldn't be a terrible squad option, but I'm not convinced he's a huge difference maker who can really help United to kick on.
Stat comparisons between the two players in two different leagues are meaningless imho. There are so many variables and metrics to take into account. When it comes down to it, ndiaye is PL proven and diomande isn't. That does factor into INEOS thinking as we have seen previously.
So many players have flattered to deceive when arriving to PL from Germany. Sancho being the poster boy for that.
Grealish made a interesting point. Most wingers need space to run into. Ndiaye can beat a man from standing with skill or a trick. In terms of pure skill, both Grealish and Dewbury Hall said he is the best. Yes they are his teammates. However I think they were being honest.
Imho he is a difference maker winger especially when coming up against a low block. The fact that we have been linked with him over last few months, shows that he must be rated internally at Utd by the scouts and analysts.
Unfortunately he would be very expensive now and he is 26.
N’Diaye strikes me as a big fish in a small pond player. He’s great for Everton, but I’m not sure he’d be the same player at a club like United, in the same way Grealish wasn’t at City and Eze isn’t at Arsenal.
He is good, my Evertonian mate really rates him, but I have my reservations.
He is good, my Evertonian mate really rates him, but I have my reservations.
No, because we need strength and depth, and all those players help provide that. They’ve also all helped us with our CL qualification push which is hugely valuable.
Why can’t the truth be somewhere in a nuanced middle ground? Why does it have to be presented as a silly “our wide options are perfect” or “they were a waste of money” false dichotomy?
Players from anywhere going to anywhere flop all the time. Happens every year. Especially often for English clubs because they're hoovering up everything that can walk straight for five meters for ridiculous sums from all over the world. Between that approach and the high overall league level they're bound to pull more flops who end up not making it. But of course it also happens between every other league as well as for outgoing English players.
But none of that in any way implies that Bundesliga (or any other league) should lower their asking price. Why the hell would they sell their players for cheaper just because some of the transfers flop? If anything you should ask if EPL clubs should do a better job scouting and offer less money, not the other way around. As long as there are clubs paying high prices, those won't come down, and EPL is easily the league inflating transfers the most. And nothing indicates a trend reversal, so why would Leipzig not try to get as much as they can for their current starlet?
Eh, let's not artificially inflate that number by counting a goal each against mighty Doncaster and Peterborough in the cups. He scored nine goals in the league. A goal every 271 minutes. Not a single assist last season and only three so far this season also shows he's not a great assist provider. He may look good to the eye, but he lacks product.
Given what he'd probably cost and who United already have on his position, I really don't see the point of considering him. Too expensive for a backup, not looking like an improvement as a starter.
Ndiaye is a must. He's what we need to open up defences for the LW. Superb workrate. Cant go wrong with that kind of player, even more given than Mbeumo or Cunha. If we dont get him. Surely Pep might be interested or Bayern. Hopefully too expensive for them.
Eh? For Ndiaye?
Isn’t he a RW? They have this Olise guy playing there and Karl as an academy talent. What would they do with Ndiaye?
Bayern already have their own Ndiaye. But jokes aside I also don't see why they would be interested in him - Diaz is easily better than him, imho, and he's too expensive as a backup. On the right side they have Olise and Karl. The middle is closed out with Musiala, Gnabry and possibly Karl again. Unless Diaz suddenly decides he wants out at any cost I can't see them splurging on that position, at most they might be looking for an affordable backup since Gnabry isn't getting younger.
City might be interested, their left wing hasn't exactly set the world alight this season. No chance they'll push out Semenyo for this guy on the right.
Mostly yes, but he's also been used quite a bit on the left.
"Artificially inflate"
Do you mean just counting how many goals he scored?
Football isn't played on a spreadsheet. Sometimes you just need to watch a player to tell that they are clearly very, very good.
Maybe you'll want to count goals scored in a friendly match against the local pub team, too? After all, they were goals he scored! Come on, man, first round cup goals against minnows aren't seriously what you can use to argue that the guy isn't lacking product, that just looks desperate. Even if you really insist on counting those, that only improves his numbers slightly, with him still needing more than 250 minutes per goal.
And yeah no, I'll absolutely keep using stats. The ol' "eye test" is way too subjective and unreliable as impressions can well be deceiving. It's of course not everything there is to a player, but neither are youtube highlight reels. Mind you, nobody's saying he's a bad player. But it is imho indisputable that for all his ability he's not really making it count for a lot. He may still well be an improvement for United on the left, but that is more due to United lacking a solid left wing more than he himself being all that great.
Sesko's stats for Leipzig weren't even as fantastic as Diomande's are for Leipzig - but Ineos still signed him (seeing the potential) and he has done well.
I said in the summer the transfer occurred that Sancho was going to flop at United and would be a mistake. He never had the pace and trickery to properly be a success over here. Diomande does not have the same problems.
Yes they are his team-mates. Of course they will over-hype.
Diomande also has the pace and trickery to beat men from standing; which can be seen both from the eye test and his crazy dribbling success rate stats.
Genuinely no one cares about cup goals scored against Doncaster and Peterborough. Stick to the PL. People want him because he's "Prem proven", whatever the heck that means nowadays - not because he's "Cup vs League One opponents proven"...
What do you think it means?
I am not insisting on you counting anything. I am telling you that he scored 11 goals last season. If you want to discount them then crack on. Silly little sarcastic quips about pre-season and being desperate are a bit needless.
Desperate for what by the way? I couldn't care less what you think about him as a player. I have watched him quite a few times and think he is a cracking player that would be a class signing for us. I don't have any interest in trying to convince you of that.
There are people on here who seem to use it to just refer to any player who so much as plays regularly in the Premier League, even if they do so to a mediocre level.
If this guy is coming to England it will be to the scousers, he is a childhood fan and it is a dream of his to play at Anfield.
Salah is gone at the end of the season which will add more weight to them buying a winger.
They pay big transfer fees so money is not going to be an issue.
Salah is gone at the end of the season which will add more weight to them buying a winger.
They pay big transfer fees so money is not going to be an issue.
And you think the player in reference is mediocre?
Not in this instance, no. He's above the PL average at least.
Are you writing a biography on me or what?!