Yan Diomande

[VP89]

Not in this instance, no. He's above the PL average at least.

Are you writing a biography on me or what?!

I'm asking why you're saying "PL proven or whatever that means" in the context of a player who doesn't fit the lower quality player description of what you think people coin the term as.

He's no mediocre, he's very good in the PL league. This is actually what people mean by PL proven.

 

[pascell]

If this guy is coming to England it will be to the scousers, he is a childhood fan and it is a dream of his to play at Anfield.
Salah is gone at the end of the season which will add more weight to them buying a winger.
They pay big transfer fees so money is not going to be an issue.

I'm not saying he won't move to Liverpool, but there have been transfers where a player has moved to another club, whilst their boyhood club has attempted to sign them.

 

[Bondi77]

I'm not saying he won't move to Liverpool, but there have been transfers where a player has moved to another club, whilst their boyhood club has attempted to sign them.

I realize that and I would say money is the issue when that is the case and that is why I stated the recent fees that Liverpool have paid.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

I realize that and I would say money is the issue when that is the case and that is why I stated the recent fees that Liverpool have paid.

But do Liverpool have the money to go splash big this summer?

Salah leaving on a free, Konate leaving on a free.
As it stands, I think they’ve got quite a few issues to resolve for next season, so can they drop a big amount on one player.

I also think Alonso and Liverpool is basically the perfect match, and he doesn’t play wingers.

Honestly, with Ekitike and Isak, and Wirtz in behind, without their golden boy Salah, they’re suited to Alonso’s system.

Kerkez and Frimpong can’t defend, so they’re better suited as wing backs also

 

[Rasmus_9]

I doubt that Liverpool would be in for him. They really need a left footer to replace Salah. They already have Gakpo, Ekitike and that Rio lad so more than enough options for the left

 

[dinostar77]

But do Liverpool have the money to go splash big this summer?

Salah leaving on a free, Konate leaving on a free.
As it stands, I think they’ve got quite a few issues to resolve for next season, so can they drop a big amount on one player.

I also think Alonso and Liverpool is basically the perfect match, and he doesn’t play wingers.

Honestly, with Ekitike and Isak, and Wirtz in behind, without their golden boy Salah, they’re suited to Alonso’s system.

Kerkez and Frimpong can’t defend, so they’re better suited as wing backs also

Agree with the highlighted. They don't need to replace Salah. They have Wirtz and now need to build the team around him to get the best out of him.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

Agree with the highlighted. They don't need to replace Salah. They have Wirtz and now need to build the team around him to get the best out of him.

I’m actually hoping you get CL football and keep Slot (I actually don’t, I want you to miss out AND keep slot)

Genuinely think getting Alonso in would be your best bit of business in the summer. It might not work out, but I feel like you’d fix a lot of problems, playing players where they play best

 

[Drainy]

I doubt that Liverpool would be in for him. They really need a left footer to replace Salah. They already have Gakpo, Ekitike and that Rio lad so more than enough options for the left

They do need a winger who can play on the right.

The goalscoring load is being shifted to the striker and 10/ attacking midfielder

 

[goldenboy]

I'm asking why you're saying "PL proven or whatever that means" in the context of a player who doesn't fit the lower quality player description of what you think people coin the term as.

Bloomin heck. My post was making a general point about the mis-use of the phrase - rather than directly attaching it to Ndiaye. The reason why I brought the phrase up in this thread - if you bothered to read it properly - was because OverratedOpinion added 2 goals to Ndiaye's season tally from cup games vs League One opposition... If you're going to discuss a player in the context of whether they are "PL proven" or not, regardless of how daft you think the phrase is, one thing it certainly isn't is referring to matches vs League One opponents in cup games.

I'd already mentioned Ndiaye in this thread would be a decent squad option (though I'd rather Utd went for other players).

He's no mediocre, he's very good in the PL league. This is actually what people mean by PL proven.

Yeah, but on here I've seen the term thrown at players who are mediocre in the PL league.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

They do need a winger who can play on the right.

The goalscoring load is being shifted to the striker and 10/ attacking midfielder

Right, that’s what he said. They’re already stacked on the left and need a left footed right winger, which Yan Diamonde isnt

 

[VP89]

Bloomin heck. My post was making a general point about the mis-use of the phrase - rather than directly attaching it to Ndiaye. The reason why I brought the phrase up in this thread - if you bothered to read it properly - was because OverratedOpinion added 2 goals to Ndiaye's season tally from cup games vs League One opposition... If you're going to discuss a player in the context of whether they are "PL proven" or not, regardless of how daft you think the phrase is, one thing it certainly isn't is referring to matches vs League One opponents in cup games.

I'd already mentioned Ndiaye in this thread would be a decent squad option (though I'd rather Utd went for other players).



Yeah, but on here I've seen the term thrown at players who are mediocre in the PL league.

Fair enough - but I think the recent target of PL quality from the club is on true PL proven assets - examples being Cunha and Mbeumo.

An example where I'd agree it was a pointless argument would be say, the Brathwaite pursuit - where I recall the "PL proven" term being coined but he wasn't all that.

Back to Ndiaye vs Diomande, I think both are good. But the former would probably more than a squad option - he's often superb in a lot of his matches.

 

[Drainy]

Right, that’s what he said. They’re already stacked on the left and need a left footed right winger, which Yan Diamonde isnt

Why does he need to be left footed?

 

[Acrobat7]

Why does he need to be left footed?

I assume because they need goals. A right footed RW isn't going to score a lot.

 

[Drainy]

I assume because they need goals. A right footed RW isn't going to score a lot.

This guy is playing on the right for his club and doesn't seem to be doing too bad.

Plus Liverpool have spent £300m on new attacking talent who play centrally. Surely the production burden is expected from them too...

 

[Acrobat7]

This guy is playing on the right for his club and doesn't seem to be doing too bad.

Plus Liverpool have spent £300m on new attacking talent who play centrally. Surely the production burden is expected from them too...

I don’t disagree, but you buy Diomande for his output. And while he can play both wings I‘d be surprised if it hasn’t predominantly been as a LW for Leipzig. If Diaz wasn’t at Bayern I‘d throw a lot of money at Leipzig to get him to Munich.

 

[G3079]

I don’t disagree, but you buy Diomande for his output. And while he can play both wings I‘d be surprised if it hasn’t predominantly been as a LW for Leipzig. If Diaz wasn’t at Bayern I‘d throw a lot of money at Leipzig to get him to Munich.

This season, according to transfermarkt, he's been on the left wing for eight games, and on the right seventeen times. Two assists, no goals on the left. Ten goals, five assists on the right.

 

[Rainy nights in Stoke]

And why is that?

Because RB arent shifting him out of position to try and get him in the same team as Amad. Which is what posters seem to want us to do. And what we did with Sancho

The truth is a bunch of Diomande's goals are Nani like in that he starts on the right and comes onto his left foot and is able to hit the back of the net. 6 of his 10 goals in the league are with his weaker foot the left.

Does that mean he could play on the right coming in on his stronger right foot to score goals and go on the outside and use it to cross? Possibly. But theres no record of it and thats because his club team are mostly keeping him where hes had the success that has led to him being linked with big clubs. They have no reason to move him, they just want him to continue doing what hes doing. But signing him and playing him on the left wing is asking him to do something different and I didnt like that about the Sancho transfer. Now granted we know that Sancho wanted to play on the left so thats part of that transfer. But I think its a strong reminder that you're best off spending lots of money on a player already playing the position you want them for because otherwise you probably wont get the same thing because you're asking him to do something different.

Semenyo is a good example of a player who was best on the right last season but this season Bournemouth moved him to the left and he did even better scoring more goals. It does happen but why is that different? Its different because Bournemouth already had him at the club. They were able to try him on the left in training and early matches in the season and if it wasnt working it was easy for them to switch him back to the right where he was one of their best players already.

Where’s the narrative coming from that we shifted Sancho to the wrong side, and therefore he failed? He had ample opportunity on both wings. It was first and foremost a lack of application that was his problem.

 

[Ekeke]

Where’s the narrative coming from that we shifted Sancho to the wrong side, and therefore he failed? He had ample opportunity on both wings. It was first and foremost a lack of application that was his problem.

He barely played on the right, we've since learned he wanted to play on the left and we accomodated him.

 

[jesperjaap]

No, because we need strength and depth, and all those players help provide that. They’ve also all helped us with our CL qualification push which is hugely valuable.

Why can’t the truth be somewhere in a nuanced middle ground? Why does it have to be presented as a silly “our wide options are perfect” or “they were a waste of money” false dichotomy?

Probably because we are talking about £120-130 on two players to add depth from what you are saying

 

[Bondi77]

I thought he was a Pool fan but have read that his father is the Pool fan and it is his desire to see his son play at Anfield one day.
So maybe all is not lost.

 

[Brophs]

I thought he was a Pool fan but have read that his father is the Pool fan and it is his desire to see his son play at Anfield one day.
So maybe all is not lost.

We play there at least once a season. Purfeck.

 

[Drainy]

I thought he was a Pool fan but have read that his father is the Pool fan and it is his desire to see his son play at Anfield one day.
So maybe all is not lost.

Yeah I think he clarified it to that. I do think there is a very strong chance he goes there though

 

[Bondi77]

Yeah I think he clarified it to that. I do think there is a very strong chance he goes there though

They would have to be favourites.

 

[Drainy]

They would have to be favourites.

If we have the funds to compete after our midfield rebuild, we're a good option.

He might want to develop and play more on the left. Arsenal should do everything possible to get him.

 

[Zumbi]

Probably because we are talking about £120-130 on two players to add depth from what you are saying

Can you not read? I said strength and depth. They have added strength to our starting line up and been key first team players who have helped us with our CL push. That doesn’t mean we don’t need additional attacking reinforcements in order to cope with a much larger volume of games when we're playing in Europe next season.

 

[goldenboy]

Yeah I think he clarified it to that. I do think there is a very strong chance he goes there though

They would have to be favourites.

Don't discount the Vivell + Leipzig connection. That probably played a decent role in getting the Sesko deal done.

If United had the funds and the desire, he could well know a way to swing the balance in United's favour.

 

[Hanky panky]

If this guy is coming to England it will be to the scousers, he is a childhood fan and it is a dream of his to play at Anfield.
Salah is gone at the end of the season which will add more weight to them buying a winger.
They pay big transfer fees so money is not going to be an issue.

Isn't Liverpool after left footed right winger, not right footed left winger?

 

[dinostar77]

If this guy is coming to England it will be to the scousers, he is a childhood fan and it is a dream of his to play at Anfield.
Salah is gone at the end of the season which will add more weight to them buying a winger.
They pay big transfer fees so money is not going to be an issue.

If Xavi Alonso comes in, he won't be going to Liverpool. In Alonso's 352, there isn't room for a winger.

 

[Bondi77]

Isn't Liverpool after left footed right winger, not right footed left winger?

He seems to be able to do both.

 

[croadyman]

Feel like his pricetag will put INEOS off, well unless Vivell can use Leipzig relationship to negotiate a lower figure

 

[Harry190]

Somehow, I feel like this one is not real. Doesn't feel like a United type player from the videos.

 

[Ekeke]

Isn't Liverpool after left footed right winger, not right footed left winger?

Hes a right footed right winger. And I'm sure that'll do the job fine

 

[croadyman]

Somehow, I feel like this one is not real. Doesn't feel like a United type player from the videos.

Who do you think is the real LW target then?

 

[AkaAkuma]

Not a great source but Goal have a story today saying they will try to keep him one more year with a salary bump, as they did with Sesko.

I personally feel this would suit United; we can establish ourselves as CL contenders, maybe buy Ndiaye this year. Then work on relations with Leipzig in the meantime.

(I also think Rayan is equally as good a target if Diomande isnt possible).

 

[goldenboy]

I personally feel this would suit United; we can establish ourselves as CL contenders, maybe buy Ndiaye this year. Then work on relations with Leipzig in the meantime.

That makes no sense for United - if they buy Ndiaye they would have no need for Diomande later on. And in case United don't qualify for CL the following season, they are suddenly less likely to be able to attract Diomande anyway. The window of opportunity seems to be this summer.

United should already have as good a relationship as one could have with Leipzig, given the Vivell links and Sesko purchase.

(I also think Rayan is equally as good a target if Diomande isnt possible).

Rayan seems to only be a RW. Diomande has the advantage of being useful on both flanks.

Doesn't feel like a United type player from the videos.

How?!

 

[AkaAkuma]

That makes no sense for United - if they buy Ndiaye they would have no need for Diomande later on. And in case United don't qualify for CL the following season, they are suddenly less likely to be able to attract Diomande anyway. The window of opportunity seems to be this summer.

United should already have as good a relationship as one could have with Leipzig, given the Vivell links and Sesko purchase.



Rayan seems to only be a RW. Diomande has the advantage of being useful on both flanks.



How?!

Think i’ve seen a video of him on the left. He also has the profile to cover striker.

I think Diomande will ultimately stick to one side. Ndiaye on the other hand is interchangeable.

 

[AkaAkuma]

That makes no sense for United - if they buy Ndiaye they would have no need for Diomande later on. And in case United don't qualify for CL the following season, they are suddenly less likely to be able to attract Diomande anyway. The window of opportunity seems to be this summer.

United should already have as good a relationship as one could have with Leipzig, given the Vivell links and Sesko purchase.



Rayan seems to only be a RW. Diomande has the advantage of being useful on both flanks.



How?!

I think any of the players we’ve been linked to will see us maintain CL spots next year.

I also think we need to be sticking to a 2yr and out protocol. I would put both Mbuemo and Amad in the bracket of being squad depth or swapped out by the end of next season.
Squad depth isnt a bad thing for Mbuemo, i just dont see him as a nailed on started in the long term.
As for Amad, its difficult to say, but he seemed to play his best when he had Mbuemo acting as a foil. He’s a good player, but much like Arsenal we need to be improving every year - theyve been churning through players.

 

[bosskeano]

Feel like his pricetag will put INEOS off, well unless Vivell can use Leipzig relationship to negotiate a lower figure

if you're going to spend 100m on a winger....it's a guy like Leao or Kvicha

 

[goldenboy]

I think Diomande will ultimately stick to one side. Ndiaye on the other hand is interchangeable.

Which side is that then?

Diomande is more two-footed, and by the similar token more naturally interchangeable, than Ndiaye or Rayan.

or swapped out by the end of next season

Then cross that bridge at the end of next season then. Or use Diomande on the RW.

if you're going to spend 100m on a winger....it's a guy like Leao or Kvicha

Leao is about to turn 27 and has had a lot of injury problems recently.

 

[Ish]

if you're going to spend 100m on a winger....it's a guy like Leao or Kvicha

Has Leao actually kicked on and lived up to his hype/potential? Haven’t been watching much Serie A (but saw Milan sitting second on the table recently). Interest around him seems to have died down. But Kvicha….yes please! Or even Doue