No, we have played shit in 4/5 league games and in 15thIs that going to be Ole's next "first big test".
Yet another Tactical Masterclass from Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. Whoop whoop!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I just watched Craig Burley on ESPN discredit Ole & Utd as much as he could. It was almost hilarious, man. Their pundits are a bunch of clowns really.
I wouldn't say it was a tactical masterclass as such, I think leipzig just imploded after the 2nd goal. I couldn't believe they were still pushing and leaving huge gaps for the likes of bruno, martial and Rashford to exploit. Tactical naivety from Mr shite suit jacket
I’m not sure what’s this obsession with Fred, VDB & Bruno in starting XI. We just saw it again yesterday where Ole wanted VDB plays mainly and it’ll be in much more advanced role. Even yesterday he still played Matic & Fred behind the attacking mind players and Matic was subbed off by McT and Ole still implemented the same structure. With that structure we still managed to score 5 goals and creating 14 shots. It’s total 70 shots in our last 4 games already. So we have no issue in term of creating number of chances with 2 defensive mind of midfielder.
Was fantastic. I think criticism of Olly stems from him doing this then will go on to lose or draw against Arsenal the game after. Hope I’m wrong obviously.
his record against big teams can’t be questioned but against smaller teams you’re never guaranteed a win or good performance. I hope this season is down to fitness and we can hopefully kick on now.
his record against big teams can’t be questioned but against smaller teams you’re never guaranteed a win or good performance. I hope this season is down to fitness and we can hopefully kick on now.
We have possibly the strongest squad in the league so why not? Maybe you meant win it as opposed to compete?
But I think we are in a position to win it this season. We are still behind pool who are a more mature unit but the gap is closing. Our squad is ahead of Citys at this point.
Well said.Supporters of this club have been baited for months by OleOUTers that hipster coaches like Nagelsmann put our manager to shame.
Viciously ranting that Ole doesn't know tactics, how to coach patterns of play, organise a press or make timely substitutions.
And WTF does he do in coaching session?
Solskjaer's Manchester United 5 - Nagelsmann’s Leipzig 0
These threads are just getting too easy.
A top draw bonafide performance vs the most in form team in Europe and last seasons CL semi finalists.
Leipzig barely getting a serious shot on target. United totally dominant.
Ole is proving to be one of the best tactical brains in world football. Give him the right quality of players and a little time, and he's be spanking them all.
So are we expecting to dominate and smash the opposition in every single game we play and not allowed to have bad games at all? High standards!
Party on Wayne.
Without the acquisition of VVD Klopp would have won feck all. Good players are critical for a team's performance shock horror.
Very premature thread.
It was a very good performance last night but let's be honest, the game was pretty even until Rashford came on and then RB just capitulated. We scored some very good goals, deserved to win and definitely got the better of them tactically by the end, but 5-0 didn't really reflect the entire match. Plus, RB had a few key injuries.
We recently got beaten 1-6 by Spurs. Again, that scoreline comes with two caveats: 1. we were utterly appalling after scoring our penalty and 2. we ourselves capitulated after Martial was sent off.
My points are that we recently got dicked in the league by a coach that you probably don't think is tactically better than Ole, and that a big scoreline doesn't necessarily reflect true dominance in a match.
Let's see how we're doing in the league by Xmas. And I'm #OleIn, by the way, before I get crap about being negative.
It was a very good performance last night but let's be honest, the game was pretty even until Rashford came on and then RB just capitulated. We scored some very good goals, deserved to win and definitely got the better of them tactically by the end, but 5-0 didn't really reflect the entire match. Plus, RB had a few key injuries.
We recently got beaten 1-6 by Spurs. Again, that scoreline comes with two caveats: 1. we were utterly appalling after scoring our penalty and 2. we ourselves capitulated after Martial was sent off.
My points are that we recently got dicked in the league by a coach that you probably don't think is tactically better than Ole, and that a big scoreline doesn't necessarily reflect true dominance in a match.
Let's see how we're doing in the league by Xmas. And I'm #OleIn, by the way, before I get crap about being negative.
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High standards
The odd bad game is fine but not 80% of league matches, is it really high standards not to expect to be turned over by Palace & Spurs, being thankful that Brighton were wasteful in front of goal. And is it really high standard to expect we would at least try and beat Chelsea at home, a team that conceded 3 in a half vs WBA & 3 vs Southampton
One game? We also beat PSG, and since Ole arrived we have a very good record against the other top 6 teams as well. But let people ignore that for some kind of agenda.
I think scoring two goals and then continuing to exploit the opponent's weaknesses in terms of mentality and positional play is a tactical masterclass, to be honest.
We are 6 points off the top with a game in hand. Teams move around the table very quickly with a couple of results this early in the season.
Joint 6th if the game in had is won. It is no surprise we haven’t played great so far this season but no pre season has affected most teams.
City are 13th, 1 point ahead of United. Liverpool got battered 7-1. Chelsea and Arsenal are 10th and 11th respectively.
It is not just United struggling. But it looks like the team is starting to find it’s feet. So judge them in a month or two not now.
Didnt we finish higher than 17 teams last season. 80% from a sample size of 5 games doesn't say much. Unless you think we are gonna lose 80% of the games this season?High standards
The odd bad game is fine but not 80% of league matches, is it really high standards not to expect to be turned over by Palace & Spurs, being thankful that Brighton were wasteful in front of goal. And is it really high standard to expect we would at least try and beat Chelsea at home, a team that conceded 3 in a half vs WBA & 3 vs Southampton
Ole has no tactics some said.
3 different formations in 3 different games in a week.
Nagglesman has a better coached team.... had no answer
3 different formations in 3 different games in a week.
Nagglesman has a better coached team.... had no answer
I have doubts about Ole but everyone at ESPN is overly anti United. They enjoy ripping into us or not giving us credit for everything. Especially that twat Burley who takes over the show everytime.
To be honest, even after our early season wobble, I always thought this team has come on leaps and bounds under Ole. It's the first time since Sir Alex retired where we've looked exciting and moving forwards. There will be plenty of wobbles this season to come because we are still not there yet but the signs are good and clear - we are improving.
Woody and the board just need to get behind Ole, as do some of our fans.
Woody and the board just need to get behind Ole, as do some of our fans.
Yeah. I think for many on here aggressive pressing and running around like headless chickens with all hustle and bustle means a better coached team. I honestly enjoy it when we spank these 'gegenpress' teams.
It's not that they pinned us to our box till the second goal. In fact, they created nothing up until then. Even if we scored just 2 goals, it would've still be considered a tactical masterclass by Ole, imo.
Yep, so the coaches mentioned to take over United, Tuchel and Nagglesman and Ole has out thought both of them.
No doubt Nagglesman will be a top manager but put some respect on Ole's name after games like this
Take your point, but the 6-1 drubbing got way more of a response on here than this. Same thing, one match doth not a manager make.
So if folks will go one extreme after a poor start and result following a impossibly brilliant run from January, fair play to fans for going the opposite direction when there's actually something to celebrate.
Some folks on here have actually nicknamed Ole "the clueless one". Meanwhile his performances against the best manager clearly show he can mix it with the best, so he deserves some respect, respect which many United fans are so averse to him getting for whatever reason (not you btw).
I just hope we can win against Arsenal and then see where this takes us. The team has definitely been on the up and showing signs of progress from the turn of the year (bar gassing out at the end of last season and being behind everyone else fitness-wise at the start of this one).
I agree with everything here, which is basically the sentiments of my post and of my opinion.
Should we panic after a few league games this season? No. After one thrashing by Spurs? No. Should we go mental with excitement after two early CL group matches in which we got fantastic results? No.
We need to consistently dominate smaller teams in the PL over a season or two. Only after that happens will Ole's credentials to really belong here be proven.
And I have faith that could happen.
If we win our game in hand we are joint 6th. If Villa win theirs they are top of the league. I think its fair to say the league is there for anyone still. We've been strong since Tottenham(a break)
I am referring to Nagelsmann
These guys all know about coaching. That’s the key to everything, coaching.
Think you are missing the point there, PSG & RB last night attacked us, when we are playing a team that is happy to attack, we can play with two more defensive minded players, especially if they can pick a pass as it won't stop our counter transition. The issue is against teams that are happy to sit back, then we only need the 1 defensive player with two further forward, that's been my issue at least; against the likes of West Ham etc you see Pogba and Matic (for example) play deep, clearly Pogba should have been given instruction to roam further forward in those games.
I'm actually still buzzing about this today, put a real spring in the step! You know what I loved more than anything, we were absolutely devastating in that final 30 minutes. Bruno and Rashford had a big impact with their individual quality but what they also did was increase the intensity by 50% across the board. Suddenly, we were at the heels of every Leipzig player and they just couldn't cope with it and to be honest, I don't think many teams could have either, it was relentless. Possibly my biggest pet peeve with Mourinho (and LVG) was that when we went up we never had that killer instinct to go for the jugular. Under Ole, I think that's been different and yesterday was the perfect culmination of that experience. It was clear to see that these were no mugs and I'd fancy them to beat many of our Premier League rivals so to outclass them to this degree shows our quality. No one can convince me otherwise that Ole isn't building something special here that is going to compete for the biggest trophies.
Ole has finally grown a pair and is making bold decisions and subbing early as opposed to playing safe and not making changes till the 85th min.
This was my biggest criticism of him last season. I even thought lampard had that edge over him as lampard isnt shy in making subs. Something he probably picked up from jose or maybe its just something smart managers do.
I hope Ole continues to do this. One may say he trusts the squad more to do so, but I thought at times last season he had a bench to use but just didn't use it.
This was my biggest criticism of him last season. I even thought lampard had that edge over him as lampard isnt shy in making subs. Something he probably picked up from jose or maybe its just something smart managers do.
I hope Ole continues to do this. One may say he trusts the squad more to do so, but I thought at times last season he had a bench to use but just didn't use it.
Ole definitely deserves huge praise for his reaction to our defensive issues in the first few games. We look rock-solid now and have been comfortably the better team in each of our games since the Tottenham loss. We were unlucky not to get 3 points from Chelsea as it was and if Cavani/Martial had been fit/available for that game we'd have an 100% record since Spurs.
It might not be the tacticall masterclass but if you have players who you know are individually as good as them might be a part of the plan, you know when you go out with a solid formation and make your class players look after it. I mean you know ehen we get chances we can outscore them easily while being defensively solid..
We had 28 shots against Newcastle and 14 shots against Chelsea who sat deep against us. That proves that we can create chances. Quality of chances matters based on quality not quantity. If we want to improve the quality of those 28 shots and 14 shots isn’t about quantity but about improving the quality of the creative players and that’s for example upgrade James to Martial or Greenwood or may be Mata to Pogba or even Shaw to Telles.
I’m not saying it will always work because there is no such thing that guaranteed to work and we can always make subs to throw more attacking players but having 2 more defensive type midfielder so far haven’t prevent us in creating good amount of chances. There are 4 attacking mind players and full back to offer in attack in the structure.
We had 14 shots against Chelsea, and Mendy had to make a handful of impressive saves. Pretty sure that means we at least tried to beat them?High standards
The odd bad game is fine but not 80% of league matches, is it really high standards not to expect to be turned over by Palace & Spurs, being thankful that Brighton were wasteful in front of goal. And is it really high standard to expect we would at least try and beat Chelsea at home, a team that conceded 3 in a half vs WBA & 3 vs Southampton
I'm surprised by the number of Man Utd fans who seem sorry to have watched Ole outdo Tuchel and Nagelsmann tactically.
I'm buzzing this morning. I have seen United play three different shapes in a week, execute Ole's game plan each time, Ole use the bench to effect two Champions League matches positively. Its been great. As a bonus I've even seen Marcus Rashford's first hat trick.
Come on the CAF and some people are as gloomy as the weather!
Lads, when Miguel Delaney can't even make the case for Pochettino today you might wanna give it a rest?
I'm buzzing this morning. I have seen United play three different shapes in a week, execute Ole's game plan each time, Ole use the bench to effect two Champions League matches positively. Its been great. As a bonus I've even seen Marcus Rashford's first hat trick.
Come on the CAF and some people are as gloomy as the weather!
Lads, when Miguel Delaney can't even make the case for Pochettino today you might wanna give it a rest?
Being a United supporter is certainly a roller coaster. Not a lover of them myself and the sudden drops make me feel sick. Enjoying the highs, and whatever the dips, we have had patches of Fergie football that Moyes, LVG and Jose did not manage on anything like a consistent basis.
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This. We stayed in the game and then when they tired, we absolutely went for it. Players were hungry, some of the passing was crisp. We can see Ole is building something.
IF Ole can get us playing like this consistently, we can go far this season. This is one thing that we are yet to see from Ole, consistent high intensity performances against every team.
Why is it seen as a gift when teams attack? I dont even think PSG and RBL overly attacked us.
Having pace up top doesnt mean we are a counter attack side. We also have a team full of ball carriers and a AM that loses the ball a lot with his incredible directness and which is not possession stat friendly so when people bring up these stats as if its proof of anything then its very misleading.
I dont think we were a counter attack side v PSG or RBL in the slightest.