Your Hidden Gems or under the radar - Wanted Signings

FlawlessVictory88 said:
I work in recruitment as a data analyst so I do have experience.

I'm pointing out the absurdity of using an argument "it has been said" to justify signing a player, especially when the ones we're supposed to be taking advice from are random PSG fans.

If you personally prefer Akliouche over Cherki then that's fine but trying to qualify it with this reasoning is very poor.
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This has got to be a joke. Have you missed out on the Cunha transfer thread? Of course you are a data analyst that works in recruitment, how could you not be? :lol:

It is not an argument, and I'm not saying he definitely has the same potential, but there are clear signs they have a lot of similar strengths, it is just that Akliouche is older so you are assuming Doué will have a linear development for three years straight that will easily surpass Akliouche's current level, which is not how development works at all. What exactly makes your opinion more qualified or valid than theirs? Not sure why you are talking so much about Cherki now. Is it Cherki or Doué you don't think he is better than? If Cherki is better, why aren't PSG interested in him for the supposedly low fee, or any of the other elite clubs?
 
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FlawlessVictory88 said:
His performances vs us over two legs would suggest otherwise.

France is ranked as the 2nd most physical league out of europe's top 5 behind the premiership and he thrives.
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U base your judgments on two legs vs manchester United.
Thats how the recruiters works nowadays?

I watch Ligue 1 all year. So yeah i think i know Cherki pretty well. His physical material is not good enough.
 
Cantona of Lagos said:
This has got to be a joke. Have you missed out on the Cunha transfer thread? Of course you are a data analyst that works in recruitment, how could you not be? :lol:

It is not an argument, and I'm not saying he definitely has the same potential, but there are clear signs they have a lot of similar strengths, it is just that Akliouche is older so you are assuming Doué will have a linear development for three years straight that will easily surpass Akliouche's current level, which is not how development works at all. What exactly makes your opinion more qualified or valid than theirs?
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I have not missed he thread. I'm no longer going to contribute towards it because some mods have told posters to stop with analytical content, which is a huge part of the problem on this forum and within the United recruitment. Thankfully SJR has taken the opposite approach and will fire people who are incapable of making data/fact based arguments.

Doue does not require three years of linear development in order to surpass Akliouche's current level since he's already outperforming him. https://ibb.co/5h6nW1G9
 
FlawlessVictory88 said:
I have not missed he thread. I'm no longer going to contribute towards it because some mods have told posters to stop with analytical content, which is a huge part of the problem on this forum and within the United recruitment. Thankfully SJR has taken the opposite approach and will fire people who are incapable of making data/fact based arguments.

Doue does not require three years of linear development in order to surpass Akliouche's current level since he's already outperforming him. https://ibb.co/5h6nW1G9
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Are you saying Sir Jim should buy the cafe and sack half the mods?
 
Jack Rudoni (already mentioned) at Coventry is an interesting player - the other one I'd throw in is Josh Sargent. He didn't do much in his only spell at PL level but he's just had a very good season and will almost certainly leave Norwich. Sure, he's not a big name and isn't a top talent, however, if we wanted a decent bet, pretty cheap back-up striker for the next 18 months+, he could be in the mix.
 
Guler for £30m could be the new Odegaard signing, him and Nacho as our two (maybe backup) 10s could be tasty
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Amadou Kone: Moussa Dembele 3.0.
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Big fan of his. He and Ayyoub Boauddi are two of my favourite young midfielders in France. He really reminds me of Carlos Baleba, great engine and work rate. Good passing ability and hints of being a great progressive passer as he gets more confident in his game. One thing we lack in midfield is guys that can eat up space whilst on the run, similar to how Gravenberch does for Liverpool.
 
PSV said:
This Stassin guy from Saint-Etienne hitting some serious form. Two goals against Lyon tonight, bringing him up to 9 goals in the last 9 games, having scored against teams like PSG, OM, Nice and Lyon in the run. Only 20 years old and played in Belgium last season. The type of player someone shrewd could be picking up cheap if they end up going down (currently inside relegation).

Was sent off for a really ugly tackle in-between his two goals as well, but VAR somehow overturned it.
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He looks a proper handful from the very limited clips I’ve seen, and can do a bit of everything it seems. Good technique to boot. Have you watched him? How consistent would you say he is? YouTube clips can only tell you so much.
 
Kingslayer18 said:
Big fan of his. He and Ayyoub Boauddi are two of my favourite young midfielders in France. He really reminds me of Carlos Baleba, great engine and work rate. Good passing ability and hints of being a great progressive passer as he gets more confident in his game. One thing we lack in midfield is guys that can eat up space whilst on the run, similar to how Gravenberch does for Liverpool.
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Same.

Interestingly he also profiles well with Bellingham and Gravenberch as being one of only players to be close to hitting all these Dembele-esque metrics:

Amadou Kone
  • 85%+ pass accuracy
  • 65%+ take-on success rate
  • 2+ attempted take-ons per 90
  • 2+ Progressive Carries per 90
  • 1+ tackle per 90
  • 1+ interception per 90
  • 175+ yards Progressive Passing Distance
  • 125+ yards Progressive Carrying Distance
He’s for my money the most promising potential gem of a player for a Premier League midfield looking for a Bellingham/Gravenberch/Dembele type.

I’d love him here. Before he turns into a £50m+ signing.
 
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BenitoSTARR said:
Same.

Interestingly he also profiles well with Bellingham and Gravenberch as being one of only players to be close to hitting all these Dembele-esque metrics:

  • 85%+ pass accuracy
  • 65%+ take-on success rate
  • 2+ attempted take-ons per 90
  • 2+ Progressive Carries per 90
  • 1+ tackle per 90
  • 1+ interception per 90
  • 175+ yards Progressive Passing Distance
  • 125+ yards Progressive Carrying Distance
He’s for my money the most promising potential gem of a player for a Premier League midfield looking for a Bellingham/Gravenberch/Dembele type.

I’d love him here. Before he turns into a £50m+ signing.
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These stats build a great picture of the kind of player that he is, such a varied skillset. You don't get many players that have that type of profile so it's important to move fast when we identify one. They are almost unicorn like in the midfield. Also hope that we are in for him, otherwise clubs like Palace, Bournemouth and Brighton will be in for him and then sell him to a top 4 club for 70m 2-3 years later. I'm not even averse to us buying him and keeping him in France for a season if we can't get rid of Casemiro. For the price of Ederson, we could get him and someone like Angelo Stiller.
 
Kingslayer18 said:
These stats build a great picture of the kind of player that he is, such a varied skillset. You don't get many players that have that type of profile so it's important to move fast when we identify one. They are almost unicorn like in the midfield. Also hope that we are in for him, otherwise clubs like Palace, Bournemouth and Brighton will be in for him and then sell him to a top 4 club for 70m 2-3 years later. I'm not even averse to us buying him and keeping him in France for a season if we can't get rid of Casemiro. For the price of Ederson, we could get him and someone like Angelo Stiller.
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I’d be 100% on board with a Amadou Koné + Stiller summer vs an Ederson one (not that I don’t rate him).

It’s so rare to find players like him. On the CAF we play an online football manager game called Soccer Manager where the players ratings change based on real life form. It’s essentially competitive scouting with a match engine in it. Now this means do like as a hobby to scout players. It’s why sometimes I have a very random knowledge on X player from team Y.

Anyway, when searching for midfielders he came up as an absolute gem. He profiled better overall than Baleba so then I found a site that also did a deep dive on him and it confirmed my views by presenting the above stats. His performances more recently have only solidified my view. This is a potentially special midfielder for a lower fee.
 
Kingslayer18 said:
These stats build a great picture of the kind of player that he is, such a varied skillset. You don't get many players that have that type of profile so it's important to move fast when we identify one. They are almost unicorn like in the midfield. Also hope that we are in for him, otherwise clubs like Palace, Bournemouth and Brighton will be in for him and then sell him to a top 4 club for 70m 2-3 years later. I'm not even averse to us buying him and keeping him in France for a season if we can't get rid of Casemiro. For the price of Ederson, we could get him and someone like Angelo Stiller.
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BenitoSTARR said:
I’d be 100% on board with a Amadou Koné + Stiller summer vs an Ederson one (not that I don’t rate him).

It’s so rare to find players like him. On the CAF we play an online football manager game called Soccer Manager where the players ratings change based on real life form. It’s essentially competitive scouting with a match engine in it. When searching for midfielders he came up as an absolute gem. His performances more recently have only solidified my view. This is a potentially special midfielder for a lower fee.
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Could also be a good use case for Nice to sign him first for 15-20m, let him develop for a 1-2 years and then have a Utd-only release clause (if that's legal) at say 30m. Nice would be a step up for him, challenging for top 4 in Ligue 1, getting exposure to CL or EL, with a promise that if things go well he'll be a Manchester Utd player in a couple years.

About time we start taking advantage of our multi-club network.
 
daba said:
Could also be a good use case for Nice to sign him first for 15-20m, let him develop for a 1-2 years and then have a Utd-only release clause (if that's legal) at say 30m. Nice would be a step up for him, challenging for top 4 in Ligue 1, getting exposure to CL or EL, with a promise that if things go well he'll be a Manchester Utd player in a couple years.

About time we start taking advantage of our multi-club network.
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He’d be a perfect Nice trial signing given their midfield doesn’t have a player like him, and the next best midfielders are either on loan or past their peak.

It would represent a small step up for Kone, but also give him a clearer pathway to CL football and bigger clubs like United.

I’d be all over it like a hot rash based on his technical and physical profile.
 
As an aside Evan Guessand is also a potential bargain, I’m not sure if it would be for us, but he’s exactly the kind of physical profile that a Brentford or better should be all over if they sell Mbeumo.
 
cpresc said:
Guler for £30m could be the new Odegaard signing, him and Nacho as our two (maybe backup) 10s could be tasty
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Man would love to see him here, class player and seems to be perfect for that Right 10 role. They bought him for something close to that didn't they? Would also be down to have a loan with option/obligation based on certain criteria (Appearances etc.)
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Same.

Interestingly he also profiles well with Bellingham and Gravenberch as being one of only players to be close to hitting all these Dembele-esque metrics:

  • 85%+ pass accuracy
  • 65%+ take-on success rate
  • 2+ attempted take-ons per 90
  • 2+ Progressive Carries per 90
  • 1+ tackle per 90
  • 1+ interception per 90
  • 175+ yards Progressive Passing Distance
  • 125+ yards Progressive Carrying Distance
He’s for my money the most promising potential gem of a player for a Premier League midfield looking for a Bellingham/Gravenberch/Dembele type.

I’d love him here. Before he turns into a £50m+ signing.
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How much would Brighton want though?
 
croadyman said:
How much would Brighton want though?
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The stats I’ve presented are for Amadou Kone.

I think he’d be a very good alternative to Baleba. He profiles very similar and outshines in some areas.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I’d be 100% on board with a Amadou Koné + Stiller summer vs an Ederson one (not that I don’t rate him).

It’s so rare to find players like him. On the CAF we play an online football manager game called Soccer Manager where the players ratings change based on real life form. It’s essentially competitive scouting with a match engine in it. Now this means do like as a hobby to scout players. It’s why sometimes I have a very random knowledge on X player from team Y.

Anyway, when searching for midfielders he came up as an absolute gem. He profiled better overall than Baleba so then I found a site that also did a deep dive on him and it confirmed my views by presenting the above stats. His performances more recently have only solidified my view. This is a potentially special midfielder for a lower fee.
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Yeah there doesn't seem any links to these two whatsoever which is disappointing when we need a midfielder
 
croadyman said:
Yeah there doesn't seem any links to these two whatsoever which is disappointing when we need a midfielder
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With him being a Ligue 1 player, the chance of us not having any information on him is very low.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he moves in the summer for £20m+
 
BenitoSTARR said:
With him being a Ligue 1 player, the chance of us not having any information on him is very low.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he moves in the summer for £20m+
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Blimey that is a no brainer for the fee
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I’d be 100% on board with a Amadou Koné + Stiller summer vs an Ederson one (not that I don’t rate him).

It’s so rare to find players like him. On the CAF we play an online football manager game called Soccer Manager where the players ratings change based on real life form. It’s essentially competitive scouting with a match engine in it. Now this means do like as a hobby to scout players. It’s why sometimes I have a very random knowledge on X player from team Y.

Anyway, when searching for midfielders he came up as an absolute gem. He profiled better overall than Baleba so then I found a site that also did a deep dive on him and it confirmed my views by presenting the above stats. His performances more recently have only solidified my view. This is a potentially special midfielder for a lower fee.
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I think from the videos i've seen that I prefer the look of Djaoui Cisse. Koné looks extremely raw to me (natural enough given he's 19) and a bit on the clumsy side. Cissé seems to have more finesse in his carrying but also his passing.
 
Can we get a fresher university graduate who wrote a thesis on dribbling like Mitoma?
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
I think from the videos i've seen that I prefer the look of Djaoui Cisse. Koné looks extremely raw to me (natural enough given he's 19) and a bit on the clumsy side. Cissé seems to have more finesse in his carrying but also his passing.
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Interesting. Not really looked him before but statistically he looks like he has everything we would want from a CM.
 
Kingslayer18 said:
These stats build a great picture of the kind of player that he is, such a varied skillset. You don't get many players that have that type of profile so it's important to move fast when we identify one. They are almost unicorn like in the midfield. Also hope that we are in for him, otherwise clubs like Palace, Bournemouth and Brighton will be in for him and then sell him to a top 4 club for 70m 2-3 years later. I'm not even averse to us buying him and keeping him in France for a season if we can't get rid of Casemiro. For the price of Ederson, we could get him and someone like Angelo Stiller.
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Stuttgart apparently want €60m for Stiller.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
I think from the videos i've seen that I prefer the look of Djaoui Cisse. Koné looks extremely raw to me (natural enough given he's 19) and a bit on the clumsy side. Cissé seems to have more finesse in his carrying but also his passing.
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I saw a piece on him recently from Football Economist, obviously a bit older but he’s a good shout too. The concern would more be that a player of his physical profile has started so few games which means at 21 in Ligue 1 his match experience isn’t brilliant compared to others.

Could be a later bloomer but most of the better CM/DMs nowadays are getting minutes in Ligue 1 from around 19/20
 
And on Cisse vs Kone the only other players comparable to what Kone has done are Bellingham and Gravenberch.

I know that cannot be the sole basis for a transfer but it’s a bloody good starting point.
 
cpresc said:
Guler for £30m could be the new Odegaard signing, him and Nacho as our two (maybe backup) 10s could be tasty
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No way are Real going to sell him at that price, but would be a great signing if possible.
 
All these highly rated kids being rated at 20-30m will suddenly be 60-70m when United interest gets real. Im sick of this crap
 
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